I have to add, each passing year adds several ounces to a rifle. The 8 1/2 pound rifle which seemed perfectly reasonable at 62, is brutal to carry today, at 74. Hands which did a lot of work, back in the day, now struggle to tie a boot. Legs that could run, have resorted to plodding. A rifle which actually feels GOOD is hard to find when it's hard to hold on to anything. Today, I am stacking rocks. When I'm finished, any rifle will feel better than that! GD