Actually, Calvin made a great comment. I have a 1980's Winchester M70 BlackShadow in 270 Win that I had the stock's length of pull cut back to 13 inches, put on a limbsaver recoil pad and installed a muzzle brake. Using Remington factory 150 gr ammo the recoil is way down. I also tried the Remington Managed Recoil ammo. Found almost no recoil there. Noise level not bad either. Remington says you can use their Managed Recoil ammo and their regular factory ammo and you will not see any great difference on where the point of aim is. I found that to be true for my rifle. This is one of my most accurate rifles now.


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