Yeah Jerry they are pretty close a .308 Spitzer out of the 308 WCF at 2,450 fps has more energy at 200 yards than the 30-30 WCF 170 FP at 2,200 has at the muzzle. At 250 yards the 308 WCF maintains 1,960 fps, 8" of drop and 1,700 ft-lbs of energy. Of course the 30-30 WCF is close by at 250 yards with 1,330 fps, 14" of drop and 690 ft-lbs of energy. Yep two peas in a pod. C'mon man.