Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
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You've stated that Tejas had a right of secession for self-determination and self-governance.


Same ol' question: Where did I do this?

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But, please continue citing a tyrannical president; it serves your position so well.


My position has always been that I would have fought to preserve the Union. To me, the whole Union IS my country. If that strikes me off of your Christmas card list I cannot help that.

Jackson's position was, in part, that the threat and validity of a state seceding was substantively no different than a county seceding from a state.

How the Confederacy woulda handled secession from the Confederacy in turn is a moot point now I guess. I had no idea before this that the whole Northern Third of Alabama, an area about the size of Maryland voted against secession. Of course voting against secession and actually opting to fight to preserve the Union were two different things.

But still, the collective Confederacy was obliged to impose its will upon some unwilling folks within its borders. How was that not tyranny?

Birdwatcher


In the Tejas secession thread, you inconsistent bitch. I'll dig it up for you. Here: http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/10111446/5

Pay close attention to the summation on the next page, bitch.

WV voted against secession, too. VA let them go. Lincoln imprisoned the entire MD legislature and government to prevent a vote and turned cannons against Baltimore to terrorize civilians into staying in the Union.

"Ends justify the means"; Stalin would have loved you.

Last edited by 4ager; 07/17/15.

Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.