After a few encouragements I figured I would give this a try. We'll start a thread for everyone to check in and post their workouts, monitor progress toward a goal, that kind of thing. Be a good place to compare notes and see what everyone does to stay in shape, etc. Maybe it will serve to keep everyone on the wagon a bit more than we would otherwise.
What I don't want is a bunch of criticism and crap throwing over issues that don't affect the average Joe trying to get advice. If it turns into that I figure most everyone will abandon it anyway. If you think your way of doing things is so superior then just continue to post your workouts and folks will notice. We've had two dozen crap throwing threads on working out, don't need another one.
I'll be posting two things on my check-in posts: the workout I performed and the number of half days of clean eating I got in for that day. I divide the day into 1st half: breakfast and lunch, 2nd half: everything afterward. I started doing this on the Men's Health 52 day challenges years past and it is a decent way of keeping track. A clean eating day is one where everything you eat is keeping within the bounds of your nutrition goals.
I got a PM suggesting that we include waist measurement on here as well. I'd take it a step further and encourage guys to put up anything along that line as a goal and then let the rest of us know as you make progress toward it. Examples: Goal: run a marathon, just finished my first 10 mile plus run, Goal: drop 3 inches on my waist and I have lost the first inch, Goal: increase my 3 lift total by 100 lbs andI have made 50 lbs of it.
So here goes:
Penguin: mid-40s, 6'-2", 240
Type of workouts: Pretty standard, run, lift, swim. Trail run as a rule but am snowed/iced out for the winter so am making do with the treadmill and road runs. No fitness guru, I'm a ham and egger.
Type of hunting: Eastern mountains, mostly daypacking into areas off the beaten path with a very occasional overnighter thrown in. Tame stuff by western standards.
2014 Goals: Be comfortable running a trail half marathon by October (whether I do so or not), add a bit of strength with no weight gain, avoid injury at all cost.
I�ll chime in. I�m 56, 6�3� and 195. At this point I don�t have many short-terms goals for weight loss etc., the goal is to stay injury free and right now I�m recovering from some chronic shoulder problems that might require surgery. I have long-term goals and those are to live long enough to enjoy my grandchildren (none yet) and to be able to get around and hunt in the mountains until I�m 70. The goal used to be 60, but that was back when I thought 60 was old and didn�t know any better.
I hunt public land in the Rockies mostly, which means the farther I go in to get away from roads, the better I do. My goal is to keep doing that.
I have a desk job so I try to get to the gym about 6 days a week when not traveling. I do a 3-day rotation, cardio one day, lower body and core strength the next, and upper body the third. I�ll walk 3 miles off-trail 2-3 times a week and start carrying a pack and adding weight in the spring/summer leading up to the season in September. I�ll also do a few to good overnighters/weekenders/dayhikes in the mountains in the summer. Here's a favorite spot:
Here�s a typical cardio workout:
--35 minutes of intervals on the Nautilus Stairmaster machine (moving steps like an escalator); 35 seconds going at 100 steps/minute followed by recovery period of 85 seconds at 70 steps/minute. Heart rate stays between about 180 and 160 the whole time. Never touch the handrails, that's cheating.
--5 minutes cool-down walking on a level treadmill.
--20 minutes of intervals on the treadmill, inclined at 15%; 35 second intervals jogging backward at 3.8 mph until the lower legs burn, followed by 2 minutes recovery walking forward at 2.8 mph. Heart rate stays between 140-160. This is one you can really feel in the lower legs and quads, same muscles you use to put on the brakes while descending.
--5 minutes cool-down walking on level treadmill.
--15-20 minutes stretching and using the foam roller on legs, hips, and back.
Last night I got in an upper body workout, I�m recovering from a chronic shoulder problem (cortisone shot last week) so this was abbreviated:
--5 minutes warm-up on the machine that is like a bike for your arms, whatever that's called
--5 minutes stretching
--Lat pull-downs (instead of pull-ups, easier on shoulder)
--Chest press using cable machine
--Internal and external shoulder rotations using cable machine
--Russians
--Seated rows (weight machine, not rowing machine)
--Hammer curls using dumbells, drop sets
Lower body/core is my hardest day:
--Start with stretches and 3 sets of 20 skaters for side-to-side strength and stability, focusing on holding and pausing on the landing
--Three sets of prone hamstring curls
--Three sets each of back extensions and obliques on the Roman Chair, with increasing weight --Three sets of box jumps (36�) from seated position
--Three sets hanging leg raises
--Three sets one-legged box jumps (18�) moving progressively farther from the box.
--Three sets on the squat machine (protects knees) progressively more weight
--Three sets either old-school sit-ups or hanging leg raises for obliques.
--Three sets dead lifts or RDLs
--Three sets one-legged dumbbell flies on the BOSU ball, upper body and off leg parallel to ground
--Three sets one-legged ankle rotations on BOSU ball for balance and front-to-back strength/stability, flat surface up; push forward until flat part hits the floor, hold for a second, then push backward until the flat part hits the floor, three sets of 20 on each leg, keep hands behind back to work on balance. This really gets a burn in the calves. I follow all workouts with the same recovery drink, about 1/3 litre of OJ for the sugar with L-Glutamine and 40 grams whey powder mixed in. Then more protein shortly after.
Almooooost 70. Where did the time go? 5'10 164 pounds would like to stay around 158. Other than that would like to keep this body in motion. Pa Deer and Grouse hunting.
Workout around 5 days per week at the gym and add some at home with a concept2 rower, Nordic track and Kettle bells. Gym is weights, alternating different body parts. Currently doing a what I refer to as cycling with medium weight. Set of 20 reps followed by the same on a different muscle group. Then 15reps, then 12, 10, 8, 5 followed by one set back up to 15. Throw in core exercises as I feel like it.
Then treadmill or elliptical for 30 to 40 minutes.
Will get bored with this and switch to heavier until I get bored with that.
Come summer will do more outside hiking and woods running. Thinking about buying and getting into some biking. But I like to take the Dog with me which causes certain problems.
More stretching than ever before.
Ran a half last May with my Daughter. Minimal preparation which was a beeeg mistake. Messed up a periformis muscle that took a long time to heal. It was a literal PITA, but has finally come around. Would like to do another with prep, but it may not be wise. Will see.
Not going to post on a regular basis, this is pretty much it. Good luck to all.
At the finish with Daughter. She beat me by 17minutes.
Three years ago. It was worth the pain.
Additiion for the old farts. Don't expect to keep up with the young and middle age crowd. It ain't going to happen. Learn to pace yourself and be happy with what you can do. But if you are in relatively good health and with training, you can probably do more than you ever believed you could.
I lift (power and olympic), do some medium and high intensity metcon type stuff, and run a little bit.
My hunting is western mountain hunting, with some antelope mixed in there but that doesn't really drive my fitness.
Fitness goals (some short term, some I don't expect to happen this year but they are still goals): Lose a little weight while improving strength to weight ratio. I'd like to settle in at no more than 190. Back squat 2x body weight (I'm pretty close, hoping by spring) Deadlift 2.5x body weight Mil press 1x body weight Clean 1.5x body weight Run sub 25:00 5k
Today I slow jogged 2 miles first thing on the hotel treadmill.
After work my coworker and I ran stairs. Ran flights to this scheme, walking one in between 1-2-3-4-4-3-2-1. Then we swam a little. We've been working out 2x a day and putting in lots of hours at work, getting a little burnt out, so we made today short but high intensity.
I didn't drink any beer today. Not one. Jumped rope for a while this morning, did some lunges, a few squats. Kind of working my way back into it. Who knows, may draw a sheep tag. Took off two months for a variety of reasons and playing heck getting it back. Not giving my measurements, kind of creepy. Good luck to all though.
[quote=30338Ik. Not giving my measurements, kind of creepy. Good luck to all though. [/quote]
It's only creepy if you give your measurements followed by your astrological sign.
Me, I refuse to comment on what I eat every day like Penguin does, because life is too short to drink crappy beer. , Just tonight, I was obligated to drink some hard cider that a friend made, I could hardly refuse his hospitality. Maybe that's considered a fruit?
Having had several treadmills and burned them out, I have learned something critical in their use.
Do not touch the handles when your using it. Do not balance or hang on to any part of it. The effort becomes significantly reduced when your holding on
Also per the multitude of service people that have come thru here fixing them, the steepest incline is the lowest wear and tear on the machine. The steepest incline draws the lowest current on the motor too.
Smokepole, you might want to extend that "long term" goal. My stepfather killed, quartered and packed out his last elk by himself when he was 75. It was only in a little over a mile but he did it all on foot both ways. I think he could have gone a couple more years but a non cancerous tumor in his gut put him out the following year and he decided he liked eating beef more so hung up his rifle. There is still much to be done in the later years.
I had plans this year but I just broke myself. I'm probably sidelined for 5-6 months.
The plan was to start running this weekend, then in a few weeks, add some fairly rigorous day hikes in the hills above town. It's STEEP here. That should get me ready for backpacking, then hit that hard on weekends while running on weekdays all summer. Peak on opening day of deer season.
However, I popped a tendon under my left knee cap Tuesday rolling out of bed and I can't hardly walk to the front door. Last time that happened I was 5-6 months, doing physical therapy, before I was able to walk without pain, never mind run.
[bleep].
My guess ... if I behave properly, I'll be able to hobble around the woods by October but I'll be in horrible shape.
Hate to hear that Tom, that makes it tough for sure. I've had a couple of significant injuries that sidelined me and they're no fun. Sure, I crosstrained and all that other stuff that they recommend but what about the appetite thing. For me the less exercise I do the larger my appetite. Best of luck on the recoup.
As far as posting what you eat etc. The biggest one of these types of threads I've seen on the net has all kinds of info. A lot of folks bundle up the week into one post that has everything in it. Some post every day. And you have everything in between.
Far as eating goes though, I'm not on a diet per se although I've been applying the ABS Diet for years and years. But that's a lifestyle change not a recipe to lose weight. When I am "eating clean" that just means everything fits into the plan whether that is staying where I'm at, gaining or losing. TBH if you go 80% clean that is extraordinary.
My goodness, you fit guys...well you suck! Making it hard for us fatties to participate without being emabarrassed...
35 - 5'10" - 285# For the past 18mos I've 'played around' with Crossfit (2-3X/week) and worked in some other workouts, namely stair master, biking, and some rowing. The guy who led the Crossfit group at the Y has opened is own box and I followed. Started at the first of the year and am following his programing, which appears to have a bit of a slant to met cons.
Haven't really thought about actual goals, so here it is off the top of my head. Short Term (by this fall) Goals: Be able to do 1 strict pullup Row 1000m in under 3:15 (3:33 is current PR) Strict Press 205 (185# now) Squat 400# (365# now)
Long Term Goals: Become less fat, don't really care what the scale reads Be more athletic Be able to keep up with my sons as long as possible Not be worried about hoofing it into terrain, like that below
Yesterday: Workout - "Fight Gone Bad" - 264 Diet - 1/2 day clean; too many nuts in the PM
Today: Workout - Rest Day - Thursday's are scheduled day's of rest due to other commitments
As far as posting what you eat etc. The biggest one of these types of threads I've seen on the net has all kinds of info. A lot of folks bundle up the week into one post that has everything in it. Some post every day. And you have everything in between.
Well, my comment on not posting what I eat was tongue-in-cheek. I was really strict a couple years back when I had a goal to lose some weight, but now I'm right where I want to be so I've loosened up some. I follow a lot of the advice one of my former trainers gave me, except I have a few carbs in the form of whole-grain unsweetened cereal in the morning, either mixed in Greek yogurt or with lowfat milk and a fistful of walnuts for Omega 3's. (The trainer was a power lifter and competed in bodybuilding, and his diet would make a Spartan look like Keith Richards.)
I eat clean for a half day most every day, the only carbs from grains are in the morning (and not many at that) and I normally burn those with a mid-day workout. For lunch (when I'm at home) it's always a low-fat protein without carbs and either a big salad (dark green mix, no iceberg or romaine) or steamed vegetables like broccoli or squash. I make my own stuff and bring it to work. This week it was chicken cacciatore I made on Sunday (skin and fat trimmed off and no pasta with it) and elk stew I made in the crock pot last night, with just carrots and yellow squash added.
Nights are where I often go a little "unclean" usually in the form of a glass or two of red. When I was shedding pounds, I never touched it, because it represents a couple hundred calories I could do without.
Snacks during the day are nuts and maybe some fruit. Almonds, oranges, and apples most often.
I had plans this year but I just broke myself. I'm probably sidelined for 5-6 months.
The plan was to start running this weekend, then in a few weeks, add some fairly rigorous day hikes in the hills above town. It's STEEP here. That should get me ready for backpacking, then hit that hard on weekends while running on weekdays all summer. Peak on opening day of deer season.
However, I popped a tendon under my left knee cap Tuesday rolling out of bed and I can't hardly walk to the front door. Last time that happened I was 5-6 months, doing physical therapy, before I was able to walk without pain, never mind run.
[bleep].
My guess ... if I behave properly, I'll be able to hobble around the woods by October but I'll be in horrible shape.
Well, maybe next year ...
Tom
Yup. I hurt my knee last week skiing. I'd say i tore some cartilage, and maybe a slight MCL tear (all self diagnosed so far). I love to ski, but the skis always seem to find a way to hurt me. I'm hoping, no surgery, rehab on my own, and be back at it soon. I guess it'll be core "workouts", and arms/shoulders only, at least for awhile. I hate being injured.
I was a ski crazed maniac in my teens and up til around 30, skied 4-5 evenings a week!
I had an epiphany at about 30ish years old. The risk was getting higher. My skills racing in the suburu classic slalom races on Thursdays were pushing me to win or break. The type A personality does not work with just having fun.
However maturity eventually crept into my thoughts. I quit down hill skiing shortly after that. The risk was simply not worth the reward. There was no chance at being casual at this, the addictive nature would drive me to break something. I just had to quit completely.
Since then, several of the friends and family that kept on with skiing have had some serious knee and hip problems. I escaped this by absolute luck, and good timing. I loved skiing but wow it's high risk in my opinion.
Started Crossfit (www.crossfit.com) in the beginning of the year, with some running thrown in 3 days a week. Have to say this is the best workout routine I have ever done. Really hard, time efficient, and gets muscles built fast. Also it builds every day functional strength. But as a doctor I must say it is not for everyone and shouldn't be taken lightly. I'm 35, 6'4'' 230 pounds and have been running 1/2 marathons for a few years, spent literal decades in the gym so my experience has helped me get into the program and avoid injuries. If it is something that interests you look into a facility nearby that specializes in it and has coaching available, it is fantastic.
Lots of different information on this thread and the other one regarding nutrition, especially the role of carbs. I�m not a nutrition expert, but I have learned a little from experts and I did manage to shed 15 lbs a couple years ago, mainly through cutting carbs. Here�s what worked for me, and a few of the things that stuck with me from talking to people with expertise. I�m sure I may have gotten some of this wrong as far as the science, but it works for me so take it for what it�s worth.
I didn�t eliminate carbs, but I cut way back and eliminated �empty carbs� (starch from grains) and sugar to the maximum extent I could. No bread, no pasta, no white rice, no mashed potatoes, and especially no processed or store-bought baked goods like crackers, chips, etc. The only carbs I would eat (and still do for the most part) from grains are a small amount of whole-grain cereal in the morning, either shredded wheat with bran (no sugar added) or granola that has less than 5 grams total sugar per 55 gram serving (you have to look hard to find it). Or sugars, post-workout, more on that below.
A lot of the benefit of cutting carbs has to do with insulin levels in your blood. Your body reacts to a high starch meal like pasta the same as if you�d eaten sugar; your blood sugar spikes, your body dumps insulin in response, which causes bad stuff to happen including converting and storing carbs as fat in your body. What you want to do is level out the blood sugar/insulin spikes by eating (again, sparingly) low glycemic carbs and when you do eat carbs always combine them with protein, which slows absorbtion and blunts the spikes. That�s why it�s good to combine the morning cereal with yogurt or lowfat milk and walnuts, the protein helps level the spikes and the walnuts provide not only protein but Omega-3 fatty acids which help to burn calories and fat.
Which leads to the next important thing, and that is eliminating �bad fats� as much as possible and loading up with good ones high in Omega-3s. Bad fats are saturated fats from corn-fed animals whether beef or poultry, and most vegetable oils, especially hydrogenated oils. Better fats come from grass-fed stock. Best fats are from olive oil, fish oil, tree nuts like walnuts and almonds, etc. Read the labels on things like salad dressing and stay away from oils other than olive. Eat lots of nuts.
Lots of this advice came from a guy who�s a power lifter and also competes in body-building contests. Before you get the image of a muscle-bound lunkhead, he was not one. Very well-spoken, formal education in exercise and nutrition, and one of the few guys in the gym with a body-builder�s build who always wore long-sleeve shirts rather than wife-beaters to show off his muscles.
Anyway, these guys take this stuff to the limit as far as building muscle and cutting body fat; their routine is to build muscle between competitions and then cut body fat to the extreme just before a competition. This guy�s diet would make a Spartan look like Keith Richards; it�s not for everyone but I think you can learn from the experts who take stuff to the extreme, whether it be nutrition or long-range shooting.
A few more tips he gave that stuck with me:
There�s an exception to the �no sugar� rule and it�s immediately after a hard workout. Your muscles are �in the most jeopardy� right after a hard workout and depleted; if you consume a recovery drink with a reasonable amount of sugar right after the workout it goes straight into your muscles to help them recover, rather than being stored as fat. He suggested 40 grams of whey protein (not soy) in the recovery drink, as well as some L-glutamine. Lots of people use straight chocolate milk.
Avoid soy protein, especially common in lots of protein bars and cereals. Soy has plant estrogens, and you don�t want estrogens.
Stress and lack of sleep can cause hormone imbalances and fat storage. Pay attention to these.
Eat lots of dark green leafy vegetables not only for the vitamins, but they also help maintain the right alkalinity in your body.
Limit the amount of impurities you take in. These take up ion exchange sites on the molecular level that are important for what you�re trying to accomplish. Two examples he gave were drinking filtered water whenever possible (we have high copper content here) and using a BPA-free water bottle.
Limit what you eat in the evening after about 6:00; big meals before bed promote fat storage.
Eat Omega-3�s a few times a day in the form of fish oil, walnuts, almonds. These help your body burn calories and fat.
Avoid a lot of low-intensity aerobic cardio workouts, which stimulate cortisol production. Instead, do cardio workouts with high-intensity intervals, which increase testosterone.
Avoid alcohol. If you do imbibe, red wine is the best choice.
The lower your body fat percentage, the lower the proportion of your carb intake that is stored as fat. Or to put it the opposite way, the higher your lean muscle percentage, the higher the percentage of your carb intake goes into your muscles as fuel, rather than into fat storage.
As I said earlier, these guys go to extremes with eliminating carbs when they are dropping body fat in preparation for a competition, but they�re still working out. My trainer told me that he could feel himself getting weaker a few days into the no carb cycle, and every now and then would have a �cheat day� once a week where he�d load up on carbs to replenish. According to him, if you�re going to eat carbs, it�s best to do it all at once rather than to eat some each day; apparently your body stores less carbs as fat that way.
And that's nutrition in a nutshell (pun intended).
There is so much wrong with the food pyramid and "common knowledge" about nutrition that it's sad. Every non state sponsored research in the last decade looking at high level nutrition has gone completely to what you posted.
Someone with more knowledge might correct me but I go on the assumption that they're the same as other simple sugars, as far as being good for recovery after a workout.
Otherwise, they're the same as starchy carbs except they're not "empty" nutritionally, they have vitamins, minerals and fiber, which helps slow absorption.
Smokepole, I agree with many of the points in your lengthy post above. But I still can't get what the "wheat-phobia" going on today is all about. I ain't talking about twinkies and white Wonder bread. I'm talking about shredded wheat cereal, high quality whole wheat breads and other such foods. Brown rice, oatmeal, and beans could also be included but I've never found them too convenient to pack in lunch box. Seems like your weightlifter/bodybuilder friend comfirms that these type carbs are fuel for muscles. I think quality protein in moderate amounts is good-more if you're in a a building mode with your muscles. I'm sorry, but even someone with as impressive a workout routine as yours and the tenacity to backpack hunt for elk, you just lose me with the eskimo, paleo, etc, etc, diet crap. Those people were tough sobs to begin with, probably descended from central/northern asian people. They ate what they could find to survive. To survive in the north before the arrival of firearms, snowmobiles, motor boats and such took a tough and tenacious type people. I don't think I could survive on their diet, let alone the harsh environment they lived in. I'm gonna pass on the whale blubber diet. This and the other thread on fitness are great discussions. You're not gonna get this information on the ATV and 4x4 forums(I do own both, though). The best to you, Steve
Steve: I think the genesis of the paleo diet has to do with the bad things that happened to humans when we went from a hunter-gatherer diet to a grain-based diet with the advent of agriculture. Lower life expectancy, slighter stature, and smaller muscles are documented by anthropologists. Also, there were no overweight cave men, but lots of overweight grain-eaters.
Fast forward to today and with the prevalence of refined sugars and starch in processed food and drinks obesity is epidemic.
Slightly off-topic, but if you frequent Starbucks, next time you're there waiting in line, listen to what people order and compare it to their physique. You won't hear many (if any) skinny people ordering any of the crap with tons of sugar, like a "double mocha frappacino."
If anyone cares, my wife stumbled on the JJ Virgin diet, which seems to fall in line with what's written above by Smoke and others, and is intended to address a number of ills beyond weight to include joint pain and inflammation, night sweats (women), and more. Wife has a ground-down worn-out ankle from college shotputting and strict adherence to that diet is like magic. It does allow some quasi-starchy foods in moderation like brown rice and sweet potato, but is otherwise very meat/veg focused. Some interesting emphasis on various fats - canola isn't held in high regard, but coconut, palm and avocado oils are. Palm adds neat flavor and color to pan prepared foods.
Smokepole, I agree with many of the points in your lengthy post above. But I still can't get what the "wheat-phobia" going on today is all about. I ain't talking about twinkies and white Wonder bread. I'm talking about shredded wheat cereal, high quality whole wheat breads and other such foods. Brown rice, oatmeal, and beans could also be included but I've never found them too convenient to pack in lunch box. Seems like your weightlifter/bodybuilder friend comfirms that these type carbs are fuel for muscles. I think quality protein in moderate amounts is good-more if you're in a a building mode with your muscles. I'm sorry, but even someone with as impressive a workout routine as yours and the tenacity to backpack hunt for elk, you just lose me with the eskimo, paleo, etc, etc, diet crap. Those people were tough sobs to begin with, probably descended from central/northern asian people. They ate what they could find to survive. To survive in the north before the arrival of firearms, snowmobiles, motor boats and such took a tough and tenacious type people. I don't think I could survive on their diet, let alone the harsh environment they lived in. I'm gonna pass on the whale blubber diet. This and the other thread on fitness are great discussions. You're not gonna get this information on the ATV and 4x4 forums(I do own both, though). The best to you, Steve
From what I've read, oatmeal products are better for you than the equivilent wheat products (all other things being equal) and wholemeal versions of both are better than refined white versions, which has much of the goodness scrubbed out.
I suspect Wheat became popluar not because it was better for us, but because it was either easier to farm and/or provided bigger yields..
Oat products are relatively easy to get these days, with porridge and granola being two breakfast cereals that spring to mind, plus you can get wholemeal bread with a high percentage of oatmeal in it also..
If anyone cares, my wife stumbled on the JJ Virgin diet...
Thanks I will check into that, I like sweet potatoes in moderation, and reducing inflammation is high on my list too. Good point on the other oils, I've read the same about the tropical oils (and canola), just haven't used much coconut or palm oil. And on that subject, if you eat a lot of dark green salads, and you should, salad dressing becomes important. Next time you're in the grocery store, check out the dressings that have "olive oil" in the name and I guarantee 90% of them will have a different oil in a larger proportion than olive oil, due the its cost.
One brand that I've found that has 100% olive oil is Bragg's. Of course, it's easy to make your own too.
I best interject before this becomes a Martha Stewart marathon...
Goal: Drop from 225-220. Drink in moderation so my hands don't shake Monday mornings. Get back to squats, cleans, and deadlift and less pushups/pullups/running. Make sure I don't look like a pansy when hunting/backpacking with my son this year.
Monday: 30 burpees w/pullups (not sure what these are actually called.) 1 1/2 run.
Tuesday: Five sets of 10 of clean and jerks. Light weight so I can get back into form. 5 sets of 10 flat bench. Very little/no rest between sets. Planks.
Wednesday: 4 mile run. (On the gay-mill)
Thursday: 50 pullups (not straight but as fast as you can) 5 sets of 10 for deadlifts. 5 sets to failure of dips. 15 minutes bike.
Friday: 4 mile run (outside and I was dying because I have used the treadmill a lot this winter)
Diet: I don't eat schit and I don't like sugar. All my meals are cooked from raw or frozen foods. Probably at about a case of beer for the whole week and maybe a quarter bottle of gin. Which is real good for me. Every Friday I gorge on my favorite pizza because if I can't enjoy my favorite pizza once a week I might as well climb to the top of a mountain and blow my [bleep] head off.
I best interject before this becomes a Martha Stewart marathon...
This coming from a guy who no doubt wears purple spandex on the treadmill......
Seriously though, the older you get, the more you have to pay attention to the details, because the harder it is to keep the lbs. off, as Battue noted. And he's the oldest fart on here, so you have to give him his due. I do agree on the pizza though.
I best interject before this becomes a Martha Stewart marathon...
This coming from a guy who no doubt wears purple spandex on the treadmill......
Seriously though, the older you get, the more you have to pay attention to the details, because the harder it is to keep the lbs. off, as Battue noted. And he's the oldest fart on here, so you have to give him his due. I do agree on the pizza though.
Oh, I know. I'm 36 now and the days of drinking a case of beer and running 5 miles the next morning are gone, gone, gone.
But your first post touching on the subject covered everything IMO.
Well, I will say the last two Mondays I had "decreased output" at the gym, after those two Broncos games. I was also trying to keep up with one of my sons during last Sunday's game, he decided we should do a shot of brown lliquor every time the Broncos scored a TD. Breckenridge Bourbon, of course.
Smoke, I guess my thinking on the ancient diets (for lack of a better term) is that they help people justify eating things they want to but shouldn't. "Hey, I'm gonna try the New Polar Diet, I can eat 90% fat and still brave the arctic winters and kill polar bears with a spear and live a long and healthy life. Since blubber is hard to find, I'll just swing into McDs for lunch. And just so I don't get fat, none of that whole wheat crap for me." You get my drift. Too much of what people think about nutrition is driven by advertising. High Protein-good, Low Carb-good, Low Fat-good, etc, etc. It's not that simple. I love the big "Fat-Free" label on candy packages like that makes it healthy. I guess some aspects of the Paleo diet are good, the percentages of protein, fat, and carbs wouldn't work for me. Sure sounds cool though-Paleo Diet-advertising? Steve
Well, if you look at the list of the kinds of foods included (meats, vegetables, fruits, nuts, healthy fats and oils), I can't agree that they help justify eating things you shouldn't. Or maybe I should phrase that in the form of a question and ask, what kinds of things on the list that I posted do you think are things that people shouldn't eat?
Personally, I think more of the opposite is true, as in "I like pizza, pasta, etc. (fill-in-the-blank), and I'm healthy so the paleo diet is BS."
Your example of "low-fat candy" doesn't work because nothing I've read advocates eating candy, and furthermore, the paleo diet is not "low-fat" it just stresses that you should avoid certain kinds of fats. In fact, people I've talked to say you should load up on certain fats with Omega-3's and eat them throughout the day, as mentioned above.
Your McDonald's example is off the mark too. Saturated fat from corn-fed beef, with saturated fat from "processed American Cheese Food Product" topped with condiments loaded with sugar, on a refined white flour bun with a healthy side of white starch fried in un-healthy vegetable oil is nowhere to be found on any suggested diets I've read.
I best interject before this becomes a Martha Stewart marathon...
This coming from a guy who no doubt wears purple spandex on the treadmill......
Seriously though, the older you get, the more you have to pay attention to the details, because the harder it is to keep the lbs. off, as Battue noted. And he's the oldest fart on here, so you have to give him his due. I do agree on the pizza though.
Old farts food theory: Burn 500 extra cals per day from exercise and almost eat like a kid.
PS to Steve, I'm not saying this kind of diet is for everybody, and I know there are lots of guys who either carry extra weight or eat whatever and could leave me in the dust. But some guys have the goal to lose weight while building or at least maintaining strength and what I described worked for me. YMMV.
I suspect sugar is my particular downfall, followed by simple carbs like bread, potatoe pasta ect. Switching to unrefined version may help to a degree, but I think I need to cut back on most of these and see what happens..
It's been touched on previously, but as you get older the beer and alcohol calories are trash for the most part. I've watched it literally ruin some old Buds in more ways than one.
First, they can't exercise enough to work the cals off, and many get overweight with all of the complications that ensue. Second, heavy long term older beer drinkers are prone to hip problems from it causing the small blood vessels that supply the hip to shut down. Google "avascular necrosis." Third, the sodium content eventually starts working on the BP. Then the medication cycle starts taking it toil. Fourth, I've seen more than a few functional alcoholics. They stay right side up, but the personality and drive changes. I've been there and I can tell you many don't even know what normal is any longer. The physiological changes of moderately excessive long term alcohol consumption has ruined more than one hunters ability to keep going.
It's been touched on previously, but as you get older the beer and alcohol calories are trash for the most part. I've watched it literally ruin some old Buds in more ways than one.
First, they can't exercise enough to work the cals off, and many get overweight with all of the complications that ensue. Second, heavy long term older beer drinkers are prone to hip problems from it causing the small blood vessels that supply the hip to shut down. Google "avascular necrosis." Third, the sodium content eventually starts working on the BP. Then the medication cycle starts taking it toil. Fourth, I've seen more than a few functional alcoholics. They stay right side up, but the personality and drive changes. I've been there and I can tell you many don't even know what normal is any longer. The physiological changes of moderately excessive long term alcohol consumption has ruined more than one hunters ability to keep going.
Update, did the lower body/core workout Wednesday with a few additions, side planks with cable pulls and (don't know the name for this) a one-legged thing where you get a heavy dumbell, bend at the waist and touch it on the floor with the off-leg extended straight back, then straighten up, three sets of ten, works the hips and balance.
Did upper body yesterday with a couple addition of different cable presses, the shoulder is feeling better.
Did the Cardio workout today. If you can believe the calorie counters on the machines, it goes about 800.
One arm curl and back circuit: Arms: Reps of 20-15-12-10-8-6-15. Weight progression 20-25-30-35-30. Back: Bent over an incline bench with weight to chest and rise to straight. Weight 35pounds. Do arms then back. Rest 30 seconds, then the next repetition of each. Finish up on last 15.
Lay on bench and press 45 pound weight. Reps 40-30-23-15-30. Fast reps. Half minute between reps.
Smokepole, I don't know how you could read my post and not see the sarcasm dripping off as I attempted to take a few humorous pot shots at fad diets and fad excercise programs as well as the trite and sometimes rediculous advertising/marketing terms used (hyping a bag of candy as "FAT FREE"). I guess my skepticism of the Paleo diet is more about the percentages of protein/fat/carbs and some of the foods that are on the don't eat list. Also, if you don't think my take on the marketing angle is right, stroll on over to Paleodiet.com and tell me their isn't some slick marketing and moneymaking going on. Call me a cynic if you like, I'll probably agree. BTW, I use the Nautilus stairstep also and cranked up to 100 spm, it definitely gets things pumping. I'm not even close to your 35/100 85/60 routine but I try. I find if you catch the steps with your toes, you get your calf muscles a workout that you just don't seem to get on the eliptical, arc, or treadmill. Steve
Jealous of the rower battue. That thing is getting more and more play as folks figure out what a great workout it is. Unfortunately my gym doesn't have one.
Im 45, 5-10, 170 lbs. Been working out my entire adult life in one form or another. I eat a zone/paleo 90%+ of the week. The last year and a half or so Ive done CrossfitFootball exclusively. Ive gotten stronger and faster and its always different. I do a week behind their schedule so I can look ahead and modify anything I need to d/t left shoulder trouble. I supplement some rucking and yoga/core stuff on off days. I usually take weekends off from working out but am working on our land or in the woods on those "off" days. Ive never been out West, so I dont know how I would hold up doing what I currently do.
Yesterdays workout was:
8 rounds Squat x 3 @ 80% of your 3 rep max 45 sec max effort on airdyne rest 60-75 sec between rounds Then:
Shoulder press 5 rep max, 1 x max reps @ 80% 5 rep max. (I subbed land mine presses, as they hurt my shoulder less)
Today: Strength Work - Front Squat 7-6-5-4-3 135#-155#-175#-185#-205#
WOD 3 Rounds for time Front Squat - 7reps - 175# (last round @ 135#) 25' side shuffle - 7reps (down and back = 1) 25' shuttle run - 7 reps (forwards and backwards = 1) 10:05
Finally bought my own. Sits in the living room in front of the TV. Time goes faster when you are watching a game, movie, etc. Convenient in that it makes it much easier to fit it in.
Finally bought my own. Sits in the living room in front of the TV. Time goes faster when you are watching a game, movie, etc. Convenient in that it makes it much easier to fit it in.
Move it to another room when there is company.
Hook a generator to it and make them power the TV! Win-win in my book. It'd cut down on guests and the one's that still came would create some free juice!
I'm 5'8", 170, and celebrating my 12th anniversary of turning 38. I've been in good shape most of my life and been working out most of my life mostly lifting in one form or another. I used to HATE Cardio. Still don't 'like' it but as I've gotten older it has become a necessary evil. I work out year around but am prone to missing a few workouts in the fall - but not many, its way too hard to catch back up.
I just changed workouts right after Christmas. I'm doing 2 days of whole body strength workouts using basic movements (squats, bench, pulldowns, etc) and 2 days of something called BodyPump - a Les mills derivative taught by a crazy Russian chick. Its not too far off a CrossFit program for intensity.
I dreamed up my own CrossFit program I'll start on when the weather breaks a bit but the BodyPump thing has been a good intro. Doing squats and squat derivatives for 15 minutes with 40 lbs is tougher than it sounds. Especially when you end the routine with 5-10 minutes of one-leg lunges.
For strength training, I do 2 working sets of 6-8 reps: Squats, Leg curl, bench press, pulldowns, shrugs, calf raises. I do 1 heavy set, 6-8 reps for: Bi, Tri, shoulders. Repeat Tuesday and Friday.
For Cardio, I'm doing the BodyPump thing for 60 minutes. Its a whole body type workout with intensity adjusted by weight. You can really make it suck if you want. I've been on a bend to work till failure by the end of 60 minutes. Not puking is a common goal. Sweating copious amounts is a by product.
I tend to rest on Wednesday.
On Saturday, I go for a 5-10 mile hike in the Smokies or do deer scouting for at least half a day. Either way, I'm carrying a pack weighing 7-12 lbs, depending on how much food/water I bring.
Sunday, I rest, Sabbath sort of thing.
For nutrition, I limit the amount of sugar, simple carbs, and refined anything. I quit drinking except for the occasional glass of wine or glass of rum (love Capt Morgan on 4 ice cubes). I tend to eat unprocessed foods and whole grains, with meat 1-3 times a week. Tend to bypass dessert of any sort - except my wife's apple pie - she makes the best pie on the planet. I tend to eat alot of turkey and chicken, tuna and salmon, and alot of various nuts - love raw pecans and walnuts. Maintaining a healthy weight isn't rocket science and doesn't need to be torture.
My goal is to be doing what I've been doing till I'm 70 - DIY elk hunting in far flung places, climbing/hunting eastern mountains, hiking in the spring/summer, and not worrying about falling apart. I'd like to bench 300, squat 400 but those days of chasing dreams like that are gone. Plus they aren't necessary to achieve a high level of fitness.
6'3", 225 lbs, 52 years. Ruptured L4/5 and following discectomy make me careful about good form. I can't overload my spine.
My workout style is mostly geared toward muscular endurance. I like to do 100 reps of whatever it is I am doing that day.
Mainstay exercises of my workout are pullups, bench press (dumbell/barbell), pushups, shrugs, sumo squats, calf raises, ab crunches, treadmill walking.
I'll throw in some bicep curls, tricep extensions, and wrist curls now and then.
I did my normal cardio workout yesterday. Funny thing, I normally put a big fistful of walnuts on my morning granola but ran out today. Could be coincidence but I was running low at the end of the workout and cut it short by 10 minutes. Can't remember the last time that happened.
6'3", 225 lbs, 52 years. Ruptured L4/5 and following discectomy make me careful about good form. I can't overload my spine.
My workout style is mostly geared toward muscular endurance. I like to do 100 reps of whatever it is I am doing that day.
Mainstay exercises of my workout are pullups, bench press (dumbell/barbell), pushups, shrugs, sumo squats, calf raises, ab crunches, treadmill walking.
I'll throw in some bicep curls, tricep extensions, and wrist curls now and then.
It's great to see quite a few other folks here in their 50s, who are also keeping themselves is great shape.
I was a tall skinny 6'2" 150 lbs when I joined the Marines. I took to the weight room right away. I truly enjoy wearing myself out, wether it's weights, hiking, or whatever.
Fitness is kind like a road with no end. As the years go on, I can't imagine ever quitting altogether, but I know it is inevitable that along the way things will change.
For reasons that sound good to me but are excuses to everyone else, I've essentially not touched a weight in almost a year and a half, which coincides from when we moved south from Anchorage (short commute with gym en route) to Blaine, WA (longer commute, no gym). I've not exercised since November, and have ballooned up to 238 lbs at 6'3.
I've started up again after falling off the wagon enough times that I'm pretty aware of how to get going again without injury or too much soreness. So last Saturday, I did a very-abbreviated version of a standard routine:
Warmup/agility: 20 yards down and back high knees with good sprint form, side shuffle, backpedal, and carioca.
Stretch
Repeat warmup/agility with more gusto
two rounds of the following: *shrug cleans (stand with bar, shrug and drop under it in a full front squat) x 8 *pushups x 10 *ab work x 10 *bent-over row x 10
That warmup will be typical as I get back in the swing, but I'll increase to three rounds and add weight, reps and movements to the circuit (dips as soon as I build a rack, lunges, chins)
Two sets of light front squats, 2x12 with 95 lbs
Two sets of light deads, 2x8 with 185 lbs
two sets of standing press, 2x10 with 95 lbs
three sets of five chins
Then yesterday, the initial front squat soreness had mostly passed so I did the following after compulsory warmups:
two sets of back squat, 2x15 at 135 lbs two sets of power cleans, 2x8 at 135 lbs three sets of standing press, 3x10 at 95 lbs chins, 3x5
The first round of back squats will hobble me for another two days, but things will shoot upward after that.
Those are the two basic workouts. The core exercises won't vary, but I will add in dips, barbell row movements, lunges and possibly snatches.
Goals: work slowly back to my personal standards: 225lb bodyweight lifts: will let you know when I get there! Long ways off for now.
To get there, I'll need to build a rack as I presently heft the bar into place from the floor. That can't last when the squat weights start increasing, which they will do very soon.
Mid 40's here. I tried to bike 5,000 miles last year and only did 4,400 or so due to taking a ton of time off after the 104 mile mountain bike race from hell in Arizona on June 1st.
Want about 15-20 miles a week running, 75-100 miles a week biking and 3 miles a week swimming to be my norm.
I will also hit the elliptical machine when it's cold out, depending on whether or not the yoga-pants hotties are on them or the treadmills.....
Workouts: M - 5 mile base run, T - rest, W - 3 mile threshold run Diet: 2.0 of 3.0 CE days
Missing my diet on some days but not by much. That is to be expected this time of year. Legs are recovering pretty well as I start to get back into the groove. Slowly but surely moving forward.
I'm 34. My workouts look like squats, bench press, and deadlifts. Working towards muscular endurance by doing higher reps, a mid range weights. Currently at 160 for squats, 160 for bench, and 225 for deadlift. Looking to increase that a bit (particularly the squat) and add more reps by June. Also looking to get rid of the last 15lbs I gained from my wife's last pregnancy. It was fun gaining weight with her, but not so much fun taking it off. She lost all her weight breastfeeding the baby, and was back to her high school weight in a few months. We have #2 on the way, so I learned my lesson the first time.
Today's Workout: Warmup Dynamic stretching, focusing on hips an shoulders.
Skill: Split Jerk 5-3 135#-155#
WOD: Split Jerk 1-1-1-1-1-1 175#-185#-205#-225#-245#(f)-245#(f) I was really close on the last two. I should get them the next time. 225# is a personal best by 40#!
Shoveling 5 inches of heavy wet snow off a double driveway and the sidewalk on a corner lot. Worst part was the dog giving me "the look" the whole time, hasn't had his run yet. That's next. Gotta get in some clean eating and gym time too, the super bowl will take up a month's allotment of bad habits.
took the dog on his run, and did !upper body. wide-grip pull-ups, chest press with cables, interior/exterior shoulder rotations, Russians, seated rows, bicep curls.
walk EVERY morning 2-4 miles with 30# pack, 5 am, followed by 250 situps rain, snow, wind, thunderstorm, heat, earthquakes, I go good practice for what mother nature may throw at you in the mtns., also test your gear of course, I'm over 60 so I gotta get up and water the garden anyway by 5am
weights 2x/ week one interval session per week (hill repeats or eliptical machine-yuck) bike the hills once a week
running after the age of 50 is playing the losers game unless you can outrun an elk
walk EVERY morning 2-4 miles with 30# pack, 5 am, followed by 250 situps rain, snow, wind, thunderstorm, heat, earthquakes, I go good practice for what mother nature may throw at you in the mtns., also test your gear of course, I'm over 60 so I gotta get up and water the garden anyway by 5am
weights 2x/ week one interval session per week (hill repeats or eliptical machine-yuck) bike the hills once a week
running after the age of 50 is playing the losers game unless you can outrun an elk
Yesterday did cardio, 35 minutes of intervals on Gauntlet machine; 5-miute cool-down followed by 20 minutes of intervals on inclined treadmill and another 5 minutes cool-down; lots of strtching and foam roller work afterward.
Also did 2 miles off-track in 7-8 inches of snow and about 30 minutes of shoveling.
I got out early yesterday and did about 3 miles in that snow we had. Pretty good workout and dogs loved it. Looked up that Farmer Carry exercise someone mentioned earlier. Going to give that shot, looks pretty good. Son talked me into elk hunting back on the continental divide again this Sept so guess I need to pull up my socks and get with it.
Did the lower body/core workout today, prone hamstring curls, roman chair for back & obliques, hanging leg lift, straight-leg & bent leg; box jumps, from sitting two-legged and one-legged; RDLs, hack squats, side planks with cable pull, one-legged dumbell flies on BOSU ball.
Had to clear some space for all the carbs, saturated fat, and alcohol I'm going to consume during the game. Love to see Champ finally be champ.
The periformis muscle has been coming along and LostArra gave me the incentive to test it this afternoon. So, put the pack on with somewhere around 35 pounds and did a 1 hour and 40minute woods hike with a couple good hills. So far, so good.
Addition: My fitness pal equates it to 800 plus cals. If correct, it is hard to beat for the short time invested.
That's too bad. You can treat for that, with any trees in the yard, right?
You can, but it's not 100% effective and it's quite expensive IIRC. Many are predicting that in my lifetime (currently 35) that there will be few to no ash of appreciable size due to the borer. It's the modern day chestnut unfortunately...
Todays Workout: Warmup: Agility and plyometric drills.
Skill: Sumo Deadlift High Pull 5-5-5-5-5 105#-145#-145#-145#-145#
This is all too complicated for me. When it warms up, I start getting the llamas in shape by hiking the hills with them. I have a couple places near here that are pretty steep. As they start getting toughened up, I put water jugs in their panniers. By camping season, they're carrying 60 to 80lb each.
I also put water jugs in my own pack so I get in shape along with them. The only calculus or zoology involved is estimating the pannier weight so it's balanced.
well I see I am late to the party. just found this comiserating thread. I have an archery elk hunt coming up this fall so my goals are all centered on that. Right now, I am 5-10 195 and 43. No way am I posting my zodiac sign along with that!
I find it encouraging that others are going through the same misery as I am. I will start with Saturday, went to the YMCA and did 45 minutes on the elliptical and then some upper body toning. As I am a desk jocky and I havent been doing much lately, I started out slow and still am paying for it today. I guess that is the point.
Yesterday we had a big Super Bowl party, so the intake was not inline with my goals to put it mildly.
Today, 35 situps, 25 pushups, and some planks so far.
Yep, I think that last handful of pierogis may have pushed my over the limit last night. Of course the second bowl of my chili ensured a clean gizzard and no lasting damage.
Weekly totals thru 2/2/14
Workouts: 2 runs for 8 miles, 1 lifting session, 1 hike, 1 swim at the Y Diet: 4.5 of 7.0 clean eating days
Looking for a little better results for this week.
Yep, I think that last handful of pierogis may have pushed my over the limit last night. Of course the second bowl of my chili ensured a clean gizzard and no lasting damage.
No lasting damage to YOU maybe. Who was downwind, though?
Be CAREFUL with those jumping pullups Pointer. They will give you a case of rhabomyolysis in a heartbeat. GHD situps in quanity is the only exercise more likely to do so.
Be CAREFUL with those jumping pullups Pointer. They will give you a case of rhabomyolysis in a heartbeat. GHD situps in quanity is the only exercise more likely to do so.
Jeez, if you're gonna toss around medical terminology like that, at least spell it right.
Be CAREFUL with those jumping pullups Pointer. They will give you a case of rhabomyolysis in a heartbeat. GHD situps in quanity is the only exercise more likely to do so.
Be CAREFUL with those jumping pullups Pointer. They will give you a case of rhabomyolysis in a heartbeat. GHD situps in quanity is the only exercise more likely to do so.
Jeez, if you're gonna toss around medical terminology like that, at least spell it right.
NEVER trust a man who only knows how to spell a word one way. Mark Twain.
I'm 6' and weigh 170, definitely not a lot to move around. I'd probably be shunned for kipping my pull ups, but that's the way I saw people doing it when I YouTube'd the workout.
I thought the 300 squats and the first .25 mile of Mile #2 were the toughest parts.
Smokepole, I've thought about this for a while and now it's time to comment on your nutrition post. Frankly, your information on "empty carbs" is simply based on alot of popular junk science. The body simply does not react to eating pasta like it does when sugar is eaten. Pasta takes a long time to digest. Sugar(s) require no digestion at all. That's why they cause an insulin spike in the blood. Pastas do not. This is all based, I'm sure, on the GI Index which has been proven faulty during further studies. What was found is that this index only applies when the listed foods were eaten in pure form. Nobody eats like that. Insulin has no role in converting carbs to fat. It converts glucose to glycogen which is then store in the liver and the muscles. Too much insulin in the blood stream and that glycogen gets locked up. But normal insulin levels allow that glycogen to be converted into glycose so that the body can maintain a steady level of glucose, also known as blood sugar. Glucose is the body's main fuel. Fats are also burned at a lessor rate when sufficent oxygen is present. Proteins have nothing to do with the digestion of carbohydrates. But fiber and fats do. So eating some good fats and lots of fiber helps. Another good reason to eat lots of whole grain carbs. No, a sugar based recovery drink isn't a good idea after a workout. It's agood way to get an insulin spike and feel even more tried and/or hungery. A protein drink will work, but a whole grain snack with both would be better. Your body builder friend straves himself before a "contest," which isn't a contest at all, but a show. Those guys are very low on energy when they compete, thanks to the starvation routine they put themselves through. Not a good idea at all. The idea that soy protein is bad for you because of plant estrogens is pure nonsense. They are not the same as human estrogen. There have been no accepted studies that show any of this to be true. Dark leafy green vegetables have very little to do with maintaining one's blood PH. But they and many other fruits and vegatables are very valuable for many reasons like anti-oxidents, cancer fighting compounds and fiber. Omega-3 fats have nothing to do with maintaining your body's consumption of calores. If you want that to happen, eat lots of complex, "quality carbs" like the whole grains. If the body's blood sugar level goes down, the consumption of fat also declines. So keep the blood sugat level up with lots of complex carbs and you will burn fat as long as there is enough oxygen present. Low intesnsity cardio workouts are fine. There is no evidence that they stimulate anything bad and lots of evidence that they do many good things for us. Again, the body stores extra sugars from carbs as glycogen, not fat. Only in rare circumstances does the body turn glycose into fat. The body can store between 1200-1400 calores from carbs as glycogen for most of us. There is no way any of us can eat that much at one meal. Try eating 12-14 medium sized potatoes which is what it would take to fill up one's storage capacity. I see your friend admits that his crash diets to make himself look good runs him down alot. What he doesn't understand is that he is also buring up his precious muscle tissue to get the glycose he must have to function. Not a good idea. Don't believe me ? Take a good look at a straving person sometime. No fat, but no muscle tissue either. The body can't use fat instead of glucose to function. E
Maybe 2, maybe 3 rounds with a 20 minute break between rounds
Did it�.hard, but not a beetch. First round two 15 pound weight to see how it went and then moved to two 20 pound weights for the last three. 25 pounds wouldn't have happened. However did rest about 1.5minutes between each round. Thought about stopping after three rounds, but didn't. On a couple routines the last movement was at failure. Good workout.
After a rest finished up with some more weights and pull-ups. Then 40minutes of intervals on the treadmill, and a lot of stretching.
Be that as it may, work out hard and often and the rules change. I'm at the gym more than a little and the vast majority rarely-if ever-stress themselves to failure.
Be that as it may, work out hard and often and the rules change. I'm at the gym more than a little and the vast majority rarely-if ever-stress themselves to failure.
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This is true. Well...maybe they don't "change" but the rules "bend" substantially.
And E's food pyramid gospel is based on the average sedentary American. Even most Docs are in the dark when it comes to patients who push themselves to places they can't imagine. Eh, most of them don't impress me all that much re: physical fitness. There are exceptions, but on the whole they are behind the curve and I work with more than a few.
I see your friend admits that his crash diets to make himself look good runs him down alot. What he doesn't understand is that he is also buring up his precious muscle tissue to get the glycose he must have to function. Not a good idea. Don't believe me ? Take a good look at a straving person sometime. No fat, but no muscle tissue either. The body can't use fat instead of glucose to function.
E, you need to do what works for you. Cutting out empty carbs works for me, and it works for a lot of people. And increasing Omega-3's also works for a lot of people.
In my post above, I did not cite any studies and freely admitted that I might have some of the science wrong.
You cited no studies, but seem to think you have a corner on the truth regarding the science. How is that?
And your quote I referenced above is a joke; my friend did not go on "crash diets," he just ate no carbs. Also, you got it wrong. My friend did not say that cutting carbs ran him down a lot, and I said nothing of the kind. What I said was, he continued with his workouts (which by the way include lifting way more than most normal humans can) and felt himself getting weaker. "Weaker" being a relative term; the guy was still lifting more weight than you and I together could, while maintaining a body-builder's physique.
And to be crystal clear, this was in the part of his training cycle where he was trying to get his total body fat down to 5-6%, when he cut ALL carbs, and felt a little weaker. During the rest of his training, which was most of the time, he followed the diet I cited, which did not make him feel weaker, and as I said, he could lift more than you and I combined, including some state records for power lifting.
Bottom line, eat what you want, it makes no difference to me. All I know is that eating what I eat (and working out) has allowed me to more than keep up with guys half my age in the mountains, and these are guys that are in pretty good shape.
I'm 6' and weigh 170, definitely not a lot to move around. I'd probably be shunned for kipping my pull ups, but that's the way I saw people doing it when I YouTube'd the workout.
I thought the 300 squats and the first .25 mile of Mile #2 were the toughest parts.
Tanner
Naw BRO, kipping is like totally the only way to do pullups broseph.
Maybe 2, maybe 3 rounds with a 20 minute break between rounds
Did it�.hard, but not a beetch. First round two 15 pound weight to see how it went and then moved to two 20 pound weights for the last three. 25 pounds wouldn't have happened. However did rest about 1.5minutes between each round. Thought about stopping after three rounds, but didn't. On a couple routines the last movement was at failure. Good workout.
After a rest finished up with some more weights and pull-ups. Then 40minutes of intervals on the treadmill, and a lot of stretching.
Just getting over the flu, second workout since. Did this one for two cycles. Its tough, especially when your out of shape.
The guy in the video makes it look easy, smiling, talking and laughing....
I'm 6' and weigh 170, definitely not a lot to move around. I'd probably be shunned for kipping my pull ups, but that's the way I saw people doing it when I YouTube'd the workout.
I thought the 300 squats and the first .25 mile of Mile #2 were the toughest parts.
Tanner
Naw BRO, kipping is like totally the only way to do pullups broseph.
I didn't say insulin converted carbs to fat, what I said was, insulin spikes lead to bad things happening in your body including storage of carbs as fat:
Originally Posted by smokepole
.... your blood sugar spikes, your body dumps insulin in response, which causes bad stuff to happen including converting and storing carbs as fat in your body.
Insulin spikes cause blood sugar drops, and blood sugar levels influence appetite; it you eat more, especially the wrong foods, you gain weight as fat: Study links blood sugar imbalance with increased appetite
"".....One apparent major determinant of a food�s appetite sating potential is its glycaemic index (which gives a measure of the speed and extent a food releases sugar into the bloodstream). Basically, the higher a food�s GI, the less satisfying it tends to be. Of 20 studies published between 1977 and 1999, 16 showed that low GI foods promoted the satisfaction derived from that meal and/or reduced subsequent hunger [4]. Overall, the results of the studies show that an increase in the GI by 50 per cent reduces the satisfaction it gives by about 50 per cent.
One of the theories about how a food�s GI influences its ability to quell appetite has to do with fluctuation in blood sugar levels. This concept was tested recently in a group of overweight and obese women [5]. All the women in this study were fed the same breakfast and lunch. This was supplemented with a glucose (high GI) drink. On one occasion the women consumed the glucose drink at breakfast. On another occasion, the drink was consumed in eight portions throughout the day. The women had their appetite assessed at hourly intervals during the day, as well as blood levels of both glucose and insulin.
Compared to those taking the sugar drink in eight portions throughout the day, those having it in one sitting at breakfast were more hungry four hours after breakfast and several hours after lunch. These differences appeared to be more closely linked to levels of blood glucose than insulin. The authors of this study concluded that their findings support the idea that changes in blood glucose can affect appetite.
The evidence suggests that those who want to put a natural brake on their appetite should emphasise low-GI foods in their diets. This doesn�t just mean keeping a check on sugary soft drinks, of course. It also means controlling intake of many starchy carbohydrates such as bread and breakfast cereals. It is perhaps the generally high GI nature of these foods which explains why individuals often say that if they eat these foods for breakfast, they get hungrier in the morning compared to eating nothing.""
References:
1. Lean M E, et al. Weight loss with high and low carbohydrate 1200 kcal diets in free living women. Eur J Clin Nutr 1997;51:243-248
2. Wien M A, et al. Almonds vs complex carbohydrates in a weight reduction program. Int J Obes 2003;27:1365-1372
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And E, before you say this study is "junk science" contrast it with the studies you've cited.
Seriously, I'm not sure why I bother to argue with a guy who continually cites the "food pyramid" as his basis.
Produced by the USDA. Whose biggest constituency is grain farmers.
Proteins have nothing to do with the digestion of carbohydrates.
My physician went to Harvard Medical school, and he says otherwise, he's the one who told me to combine protein with carbs to slow absorption. If you don't mind, I think I'll take his word for it.
Originally Posted by Eremicus
The idea that soy protein is bad for you because of plant estrogens is pure nonsense. They are not the same as human estrogen. There have been no accepted studies that show any of this to be true.
So, tell me why virtually all women with certain types of breast cancers are told to avoid soy products due to their estrogen content? Estrogen has deleterious effects on their cancers, by the way.
Originally Posted by Eremicus
Omega-3 fats have nothing to do with maintaining your body's consumption of calores.
Not according to the study cited below:
"Researchers at the University of South Australia took a group of 75 people who were diagnosed as being either overweight or obese and who had cardiovascular disease risk factors such as high blood pressure and high cholesterol levels, and split them into four groups.
In the first split, half were given doses of tuna fish oil while the other two groups were given equal amounts of sunflower oil, which contains no omega-3 acids. Both groups were then split once more, with half taking no additional exercise each week while the others completed three 45-minute runs, to 75 percent of their maximum heart rates, each week. All participants were asked not to otherwise alter their diets.
After three weeks, three of the groups did not show much change, but the group that was given the fish oil and had exercised had an average weight loss of about 4.5 pounds and a decrease in overall body fat percentage.
Following eight weeks, "a significant three-way interaction between time, group and gender was observed for percentage reduction in weight... with a greater percentage decrease for females in FO compared to PB for weight (-7.21 percent vs. -5.82 percent) and BMI (body mass index) (-7.43 percent vs. -5.91 percent respectively)," said a summary of the study, which was published in the February 2013 issue of the journal Food & Function.
"The results seem more impressive given that no other changes to eating habits were made. Also, the exercise 'regime' was not much more than the recommended levels for everyone; not just those trying to lose weight," writes dietician Juliette Kellow, in WeightLossResources, an online nutrition journal based in Britain. "When combined with a calorie-counted diet and increased exercise, the effects of fish oil on weight loss could prove substantial."
Scientists believe that omega-3 oil improves blood flow to muscles during exercise, and that the compound helps stimulate enzymes that transport fat to where it can be stored for energy.
Once again, before you criticize or find fault with the study cited above, contrast it with the studies you've cited.
E has been preaching this philosophy for years, and while it has a certain amount of merit, he refuses to accept any and all new research that may indicate there is more to be learned and perhaps some of the old theories have flaws.
He believes-at least the last time I saw him post on it-that the government sponsored food pyramid in not influenced in any way by the large food producers. Ha!!!! Give a thunk to the farm bill that was just passed by both parties and follow the money trail.
He talks about running out of energy if you don't subscribe to his way. Well, the fellow that I posted on the video has others where he talks about diet and it sure as heck isn't E's. You think he runs short on energy? There are more than a few others who follow the same principles on eating, and you only have to look at them and compare them to those who follow E's example, and if you have an open mind, it would be hard to not think there may be a better way.
Breakfast of Deer meat, milk and an orange. Protein jump starts the day. I'll pass on the whole wheat biscuits.
Hopefully we can get back on topic. Keep it up guys and girls and keep moving.
He believes-at least the last time I saw him post on it-that the government sponsored food pyramid in not influenced in any way by the large food producers.
You're right, I'm wasting my time. In any case, people should read, talk to nutritionists and trainers, and make up their own minds. Off to the gym now......
With all this talk of the "murph" and like workouts, I guess this isnt the thread for me and my rather pedestrian workouts. Glad to see some real fitness buffs here, but I wont muddy the waters anymore. Sorry fellas.
With all this talk of the "murph" and like workouts, I guess this isnt the thread for me and my rather pedestrian workouts. Glad to see some real fitness buffs here, but I wont muddy the waters anymore. Sorry fellas.
Actually I'd like to encourage you to stick around.
I started this thread more than anything else as just a place to encourage folks to stick with their workout regimens. I am trimming my workout posts to only once a week but that is strictly because it only takes a couple sentences to state what I have done in a week. But I am committed to checking in and seeing how others are coming along and seeing what conversations are being had over different physical fitness subjects.
Motivation aside I thought it would be interesting to see how we progressed over an entire offseason. Are a lot of guys falling off the wagon? Is injury slowing down some folks? Are some folks showing improvement? That kind of thing.
How many times have you seen a guy on the internet post a grueling workout? Before you actually try a system or a workout wouldn't it be nice if you knew whether this guy operates at a very high level and has for some time? Or if he spends months during a year not doing a thing because of injury?
So I say stick around. You never know if something like this might help you stay motivated or answer a question or two you might have.
With all this talk of the "murph" and like workouts, I guess this isnt the thread for me and my rather pedestrian workouts. Glad to see some real fitness buffs here, but I wont muddy the waters anymore. Sorry fellas.
Those who do "Murph" a bit too often are known as "patients" I'm 54, and I typically do "Murph Jr." which is scaled to half of the workload of the original prescribed/Rx workout:
800m run 5 pullups, 10 pushups, 15 air squats TEN ROUNDS 800m run
My time is usually a bit over 20min. So what if it takes you 30 or 35 min? Be all you can be.
Crossfit is all about intensity in the workouts, but as its founder stated, "If your workouts typically last longer that 20 minutes, you are doing something wrong". Murph is very much the exception to this, and isn't typical even for Crossfit.
Before you actually try a system or a workout wouldn't it be nice if you knew whether this guy operates at a very high level and has for some time? Or if he spends months during a year not doing a thing because of injury?
So I say stick around. You never know if something like this might help you stay motivated or answer a question or two you might have.
Will
Exactly, stick around. I don't do the Murph either, but it's good to see what other people are doing. Lots of people come out for a hunt in the mountains without doing anything to prepare. "Pedestrian" workouts put you way ahead of them.
Picture yourself trudging up a hill after a bugling bull and needing to stop every 50 yards to suck wind, that's always a good motivator for me.
As far as coming back from injuries like penguin said, I'm working my way back from a shoulder injury. The older you get, the more frequently something flares up and you just have to lay off for a while. I still can't do a few things I want to, but you can't rush these things.
With all this talk of the "murph" and like workouts, I guess this isnt the thread for me and my rather pedestrian workouts. Glad to see some real fitness buffs here, but I wont muddy the waters anymore. Sorry fellas.
Your workouts and progress is just as important as anybody else. Stick around, join in and encourage others.
Done the farmer's carries a few times now, liking those. Lunges, squats, leg extensions some ab work this am. Shoulder still hurting so not going overboard on bench or shoulder lifts. Wanting to get back on the pullups again but doing lat pull downs for a while to get some semblance of strength back there. Been back at it for around 6 weeks now. Feels good.
TAKs half murph has me interested. Might give that a shot soon. Now I guess I have to go google air squats. Nice to see what others are doing but not really caring about keeping up with anyone. Taking long walks with my wife beats the heck out of running by myself for example. Summer hiking and fishing do look good as well.
Great pic there Battue. The shock collar gave me a chuckle. The one time I tried it on my dog, he was a pup and it didn't phase him, just made him run crooked like a crab for a little bit until he got out of range.
Great pic there Battue. The shock collar gave me a chuckle. The one time I tried it on my dog, he was a pup and it didn't phase him, just made him run crooked like a crab for a little bit until he got out of range.
That could be a beeper collar. Those are ruffed grouse and typically found in some pretty thick cover in the east, around here anyway. The beeping helps keep tabs on the dog in heavy cover. Dog goes on point and the beeping stops, letting you know the dog is on point.
And it could be a shock collar. But considering the dead grouse, which are usually very hard to come by, I would suspect the dog knows his business.
And by the way. You guys speak a different language. I try to stay in shape for hunting by hiking, jogging, swinging a kettle bell, biking etc. I eat lots of almonds and dried cranberries. But I don't even know what y'all are talking about, and doubt I could warm up to doing what I DO understand of your strange language.
I've had one shoulder scoped and both knees, each with a torn meniscus. Now the other shoulder is scheduled for surgery on Feb 20. I've been in considerable pain since last Summer and have to get something done. I don't much feel like subjecting my joints to any more abuse than that required to get in reasonably good shape to wander the mountains and gorges in the years I have left.
Some of the stuff y'all describe is brutal. Seems there's fairly easy ways to stay fit without abusing your body...just saying.
You younger guys would do well to go easy on the joints. You only have the ones God gave you. Take good care of 'em while you can.
Well, Toby is an English field Cocker and he doesn't point but flushes. It is a shock collar. Every once in a while he wants to range a little too far and gets a sound buzz. It is rare I have to give a light shock in that he hears the buzz sound and shortens up. Doubt if I actually shocked him 5 times this past year.
In fact most times I leave it in the truck and only bring it out if needed. Other times I use it when he is hunting with pointers. Their beeper collar goes off when they are pointing and I either hup-have him stand/sit where he is, so not to mess up their point-or give him a sound buzz to bring him in.
Well, Toby is an English field Cocker and he doesn't point but flushes. It is a shock collar. Every once in a while he wants to range a little too far and gets a sound buzz. It is rare I have to give a light shock in that he hears the buzz sound and shortens up. Doubt if I actually shocked him 5 times this past year.
In fact most times I leave it in the truck and only bring it out if needed. Other times I use it when he is hunting with pointers. Their beeper collar goes off when they are pointing and I either hup-have him stand/sit where he is, so not to mess up their point-or give him a sound buzz to bring him in.
Ah, so it is a shock collar. I stand corrected. Poor Toby. I've hunted over some Brittanys that had a bad habit of bumping birds a little too far out. Out of range in typical grouse cover around here isn't far because of the density of the cover. They may have been fine on farmland quail but I believe they would point and then keep creeping forward, or maybe the birds just got nervous. Those grouse require strong legs and lungs (speaking of being fit) stomping the thick crap in these mountains. Hearing birds getting up just out of reach after such strenuous work is frustrating. Great picture and good looking birds (and dog!)
Power cleans up to 2 rep max 185. I wanted to try 195 but I gave blood and felt a little weak.
3 sets bent over dumbbell rows. 6 @90,100,110
5 rounds as fast as possible 20 kettle bell swings with a 70lb dumbbell 45 sec on air dyne as hard as possible 10 roll outs with a wheel-go from knees to flat to the ground and back up.
I haven't done "Murphy" in a couple years but did it one time in 27 minutes. Not saying I could do it again that fast but I'll try it this year again. It used to come up on the CF main site on St. Patrick's day. The pull ups, push ups and squats are no problem for me its the damn mile before and after.
I'm no fitness expert, but am convinced that simply staying active is more important than any specific routine.
I drink at least a gallon of water a day, quite often more. I suggest everyone gets into this habit.
I hit the gym 4-5 times a week and rotate between chest/back, arms and leg workouts. Some days I decide to change it up and simply do random core or all body workouts. I also check out 20 year old chicks. Keeps me motivated.
Most weekends (not today because of the 50+ MPH winds) I'll hike 5-7 miles and climb a couple thousand vertical feet. If chuckar season is in, I'll often do that twice a weekend. This time of year I just goof around and look for petroglyphs and bunnies and such.
With this informal routine, I have never had any trouble getting to where I need to be during hunting season.
Thanks TAK. I think I need to work on some flexibility apparently. Should be another good exercise to work in.
Get a buddy to watch the vid and film you, if you have a "butt-wink" at the bottom of the squat, be REALLY careful doing any sort of loaded/barbell squat until you can maintain that lumbar curve.
All he had to do was run two six minute miles and then do 600 bodyweight repetitions in 15min. That would be either a pullup, a pushup, or an air squat every 1.5 seconds, not including transitions.
Dr. Oz has been severly critized in the University of Califoirnia at Bekeley Wellness Letter for his misleading and down right false statements he has made while trying to promote various so called health products. He has the distinction of being the only member of the medical community to earn such comments in all the years I've read their newsletter. E
If it's real, accepted studies you want, buy or borrow a copy on Body Fueling by Robyn Landis. It cites the accredited studies that back up my beliefs. E
Actually what you cite is good science, but you seem to misunderstand it. As I've said, the GI has been found to be faulty. That's because when carbs are mixed with other foods, it changes the speed at which complex carbs are converted to sugars and released into the blood stream. Pure sugars cause an insulin spike particularly when eaten alone as a snack. Mixing them with fat, which is typical in candy bars, doesn't help this. When consumed in any quantity, sugars hit the blood stream too fast for the body to gauge how much insulin to release to bring the level of blood sugar in the body to proper levels. So it does the only thing it can do. It releases too much insulin. That has the effect of lowering the body's blood sugar level too much. The excess sugars are converted to glycogen and stored in the liver and the muscles. But the excess insulin, which persists for hours, does not allow the body to convert it to glucose to make up for the lack of blood sugar. The result is that the person feels hungry and often eats more, often the same high sugar and fat type snack, to make up for this loss. If that person eats items with fat in them, the fat goes directly to the fat cells and the person gains weight. So odviously one should attempt to avoid sugars in their diet. Or at least mix them with lots of complex carbohydrates to buffer this effect. The more fiber these complex carbs have, the better. The current Federal Food Guidelines reflect this advice. E
You call that a study ? They clearly state that the people in the study didn't eat the same, so other the other items they ate or how much they ate is not accounted for. That is not a controlled study at all. Second, the differences are pretty small, just a few percentage points. Not significant. E
No, Battue. The study was sponsored by the government. But it was actually done by a large group of medical and science people who used literally hundreds of studies done over the years. It was done to promote better eating by the people of this country and for no other reason. It is kind of sad that japanese and rural chinese out live us in spite of our vastly superior health care. BTW, my doctor, who greduated at the top of class, says I'm the healthiest person he knows in my age group. He is delighted with how I eat. E
Guys I shouldn't have posted that about Murphy, it wasn't to brag, I'm no one special. I was just proud I did it one time that fast. The first time I did it was 40 ish minutes. The last time I did it about two years ago was I think 33. That's kipping pull ups not strict. I didn't mean to come across wrong.
I'd post it to,that's just a smoking fast time. I've only done the workout once and I imagine shaving time off will happen as I continue to do it. I don't know if I'll get to 27 minutes though! That's awesome.
Guys I shouldn't have posted that about Murphy, it wasn't to brag, I'm no one special. I was just proud I did it one time that fast. The first time I did it was 40 ish minutes. The last time I did it about two years ago was I think 33. That's kipping pull ups not strict. I didn't mean to come across wrong.
Its not bragging if you can do it. Excellent time !
The "Murph" is totally personal. Your competing against your self. Every time I do the work out for time my time improves.
A lot of the ultra fit "young" guys generally use a weighted vest. With boots and britches I'm at 250 pounds, so I've got a "natural weight vest".
One more and Ill take my own advice and let it drop.
Here is a pic of my Mother and the kids she taught in a one room country schoolhouse; probably from sometime in the late 30s. These kids were on the farm and probably ate a diet that the government in all their wisdom said was sooooo wrong. "Hey, we need a food group chart to show people how to eat healthy. Those people back in the day ate way to much red meat, fat, eggs, whole milk, etc and we have to fix that".
Anyway FWIW, and sometimes the obvious is worth more than a little. Compare the kids of yesteryear and their horrible diet with many of those today. I know, I know there is nothing scientific about a sample of one.
Wonder where in the class these kids Doctor graduated? Not sure, but I'm thinking if only obviously they had a better food group chart.
Not to mention the fact (already mentioned) that anthropologists have documented a few different bad things that happened to humans when we switched from a hunter/gatherer diet to an agricultural diet using grains as staples: shorter life expectancy, smaller stature, and weaker.
Ask a veterinarian whether dogs are better off eating food loaded with grains or without it. The answer is without, and the reason is "because they didn't evolve eating grains."
I was going to mention the Dog food analogy but forgot. The new theory of today is to feed your Dog a meat based product with limited corn content for the very reason you mentioned.
You guys had me go back and look in my book where I record everything and your right I didnt do Murph in 27 it was 28:15 my bad. Im sure I couldnt repeat it!
Here is a pic of my Mother and the kids she taught in a one room country schoolhouse; probably from sometime in the late 30s. These kids were on the farm and probably ate a diet that the government in all their wisdom said was sooooo wrong. "Hey, we need a food group chart to show people how to eat healthy. Those people back in the day ate way to much red meat, fat, eggs, whole milk, etc and we have to fix that".
My mother graduated high school in 1940. She once told me she had only one classmate who was obese. Just the one.
They all ate potatoes and wheat, as well as red meat and dairy.
There is more to this than what is being discussed presently. No doubt my Mother and her Parents also ate a fair amount of potatoes and wheat.
However, the one aspect that was definitely different in their time was much of their food was home made. From bread to pies to ice cream. Their canned foods came out of their own kitchen. Preservatives in their food was negligible for the most part. Same with milk.
There is more to this than what is being discussed presently. No doubt my Mother and her Parents also ate a fair amount of potatoes and wheat.
The difference, from then and now, is, in a word, fructose. Or rather the lack therof. The link below is an hour and a half lecture by an endocrinologist:
Workouts: 3 runs for 12 miles, 1 elliptical workout with pull-up sets at the end, 1 hike in pretty deep snow, swam 500 yards Diet: 5.0 of 7.0 Clean Eating days
All in all another good week. No injuries of any sort. Starting to feel the holiday blahs melt away and the workouts are becoming fun again. Hopefully when the ice and snow melt off the trails I'll be ready to get on them.
However, the one aspect that was definitely different in their time was much of their food was home made.
I agree. But I would add one more thing that was different. Fewer daily calories. During the 20s and 30s, people didn't have the money to buy so many snacks. Finding the cash money for a single candy bar was a challenge, for many children.
Additionally, their parents were not obese, for the most part. And their grandparents weren't, either.
My grandparents lived into the post-WWII era, and I knew three of them personally.
Well here goes. My week consisted of 50 sit ups and 45 push ups every morning but Saturday when I went to the Y and did a 45 min elliptical and about half hour of machine weights. Been too darn cold here to run (highs around 0 just dont get me motivated enough).
Can I count hauling lumber? Cuz I got a full workout of that yesterday as well. All in all, a decent week of workouts, but not great. Eating was okay. No weight loss, no injuries. For a cold week in Feb, I guess I will take it. My stomach muscles are definitely stronger.
I do have a question. I, almost exclusively, drink water. A little milk, no alcohol to speak of and a Gatorade a few times a year is about it. However, sometimes I just need something other than water. I have started drinking V8 Fushion which is 100% veggie and fruit juice. I also have other kinds of 100% juice from time to time. Usually no more than 1 can a day. I like that it should be fairly healthy, but lament that they go down fast and there is 150 calories of intake.
My fruit and veggie diet is adequate I believe. Is anything wrong with drinking juice? What is too much?
My fruit and veggie diet is adequate I believe. Is anything wrong with drinking juice? What is too much?
Juice is really bad idea, and one of Jack Lallane's few mistakes. When all that sugar hits your bloodstream, you get an insulin spike and a lot of it gets stored as fat. After a workout, a little sugar is okay as it replentishes glycogen stores and aids recovery.
I suggest you look for some sort of drink that is sweetened with Stevia, as that is a natural herb.
That link from that endocrinologist's lecture I posted is about how fructose has resulted in lard-azz nation. Wanna guess what they sweeten all those drinks with?
If you're not gaining weight from the juice and it's 100% juice don't worry about it. If you're trying to lose weight then it could be cut out. I drink a lot of vegetable juice, apple juice, and orange juice (but I'm not trying to lose weight).
Guys, this is not what I wanted to hear! I really like them. Here is the ingredient label:
100% juice reconstituted veg juice blend (water, sweet pottoes, purple carrots, tomatoes, carrots), recon fruit juices (water, apples, white grapes, pomegranates, and blueberries), less than 2% of malic acid, vit c, vit e. 150 calories
Not exactly a health drink but when I need something other than water I mix a little unsweetened Kool Aid(grape, strawberry, lemon or orange), Truvia to sweeten, and ice. No calories and takes care of my sweet tooth.
Right now I'm on a stationary bike as many days a week as I can. My Concept II Rower finally proved too much for my ailing back and I had to quit rowing after 30 years. Several dog walks a day as well.
Also, got the book Wheat Belly for Christmas. Quit wheat about 3 weeks ago. Feeling better and a little lighter. My whole digestive system is working better. I still eat carbos that make it hard to lose weight like rice and potatoes but eat them early in the day.
I've been unmotivated since last fall but I'm hoping this will help change that. I'm 51 years old, have shrunk to about 5'9" and probably weigh about 180 right now with 16% body fat. I'm hoping to get back down to around 170 and 11% body fat.
I walked for 8 miles on Sunday and got 50 minutes of hard elliptical in today burning about 730 real calories.
Not many. Both my shoulders are pretty well shot from too many years in construction doing things by myself that I should have had help with. Around 30 honest push-ups is about my max.
No workouts for the past week. Spent it in AZ trying to keep up with a pard who's a walking machine. He pretty much ascribes Dog Hunter's way of getting/staying in shape.
Today: Warmup Dynamic stretches and jumping jack-ish stuff
Strength: Deadlift 10-6-4-2 225-275-295-315
WOD: Every Minute on the Minute ("Death By") for 15mins; same number of reps as minutes. 1 min=1 rep each, 2 min=2 reps each. Deadlift 225# Burpee Handstand Pushup
I completed round 5 and was 1 rep short of completing round 6. Spent the rest of the time doing rounds of 4.
One thing that my recent trip to AZ showed me is that what I'm doing is helping. I could go longer and recover faster than the last time I hunted like this. It also showed me that gym training really doesn't work on strengthing the ankles/lower legs for walking over rocky, uneven ground. That and my hip flexors need work. Calves/ankles/hips were sore after two days, but better by day 4.
Today: 30 minutes on a spin bike; warm up a few sprints to get the heart rate up then a series of 1 minute jump sprints followed by 45 second recovery, ended with a 5 minute standing climb at max tension. Also upper body, core stretching and rolling. Ate clean yesterday about to eat egg salad and fruit for the 1st meal of the day.
Are those really push-ups, in the classical sense?
Yes, I do them while wearing a backpack loaded with axes
All Swedish I hope. This is how I like to do pushups:
Those aren't real pushups because they aren't KIPPING PUSHUPS (not sure that's possible, but give some level 1 crossfit coach a few days...they'll find a way to kip it)
Are those really push-ups, in the classical sense?
Yes, I do them while wearing a backpack loaded with axes
All Swedish I hope. This is how I like to do pushups:
Those aren't real pushups because they aren't KIPPING PUSHUPS (not sure that's possible, but give some level 1 crossfit coach a few days...they'll find a way to kip it)
Hey douche pump, why don't you go handle the situation involving your bogus camera in the Classifieds instead of dissing on exercise methods?
I'm 6' and weigh 170, definitely not a lot to move around. I'd probably be shunned for kipping my pull ups, but that's the way I saw people doing it when I YouTube'd the workout.
I thought the 300 squats and the first .25 mile of Mile #2 were the toughest parts.
Tanner
Naw BRO, kipping is like totally the only way to do pullups broseph.
What's your time for the Murph?
Tanner
lol I wouldn't know. I don't "murph", "Isabel", "caroline", "bubba", or whatever else crossfitters name their "workouts". I don't WOD, I don't kip, and I'm not apart of a cult.
If I ever look like Greg Glassman (pot bellied), I'll start doing crossfit. Until then I stick with relying on my own phys exercise knowledge and designing my own workouts.
Thanks for the well wishes. Hoping for a quick recovery and back to full use asap. In the meantime, I continue to jog, squat, lunge, and the last couple of days, hike uphill over and over through snow after riding down in a sled with my little girl.
smokepole, that's a funny looking snow shovel? Heck, what do we know about snow shovels down here? Like you said, I only use it once or twice a year for snow. It's a darn fine tool for shoveling and spreading mulch in the summer though!
BTW smokepole, I had to run to town the other day when they called off school early, and run a few errands while I was out. As I headed out I grabbed a camo jacket and threw it on.
That box-over burpees is a killer workout and REALLY applicable to carrying a heavy pack in steep terrain.
They make barbells that are fatter through the handle, but we just wrapped ours with small towels to make them fat. Loaded 'em to 135# and held them the same as if finishing a deadlift.
Got it, thanks. Mark Twight does a similar workout he calls "Tailpipe" where one guy is hold a pair of kettlebells in the rack position while his buddy rows 500m.
got a break from my situp/pushup workout the last 2 days and went to the Y. I really like one of the machines where you bend over and then push back with your back. Really helps your lower back. of course, i overdid it and am paying big time today though.
Good workouts and not bad eating. the last few days have been good. And I will say, my daughter asked me if I wanted a chocolate candy and I thought of this thread and said no! So if I wouldnt have found this stupid thread, I would have enjoyed a great piece of candy!!!
Lol, glad to hear it Berretaman. I've passed on a few snacks myself since we starting posting to this thread.
Had a pretty good week. Fighting a sinus infection now so I may be a little light this week. We'll see. Anyway the recovery is improving and I'm feeling stronger in my runs. Slowly making my way back into shape.
Workouts: 3 runs for 13 miles, 1 elliptical workout w/pull-ups, 1 swimming session. Diet: 5.5 of 7.0 clean eating days.
Are you talking about the workout or the warmup/strength portion? I'll assume the latter, but all I can say is that is what they told me to do. I think the reason might be in that we really had gone over squat clean form since the on-ramp class and they wanted us to re-familiarize ourselves with the movement.
If you are talking about the workout, it's because my front rack sucks. It's just been in the past month that I've felt comfortable with any sort of weight in the front rack. The 105# I did for the workout was hard enough considering every thing else. I'd guess the RX'd weight of 145# would be close to my 1-3 rep max.
Just in case anyone is running short on time you might try Jordan Burrough's little finishing workout (3 sets x 30 sec each). Jordan is NCAA and Olympic wrestling champ from Univ of Nebraska. He wraps up his training days with this:
If you are talking about the workout, it's because my front rack sucks. It's just been in the past month that I've felt comfortable with any sort of weight in the front rack. The 105# I did for the workout was hard enough considering every thing else. I'd guess the RX'd weight of 145# would be close to my 1-3 rep max.
For just training the movement that makes sense. I'm a garage crossfitter and I have a neck issue that precludes my being able to overhead squat, but I can front squat with no problem. I front squatted 225lb about a year ago, which is typically about all my right knee will allow me to low-bar back squat.
Since I can't do overhead squats that precludes my being able to do heavy snatches so I just clean and jerk, power clean, and power snatch. Rippetoe is of the opinion that that is all that is required for general athleticism and GPP.
If you are talking about the workout, it's because my front rack sucks. It's just been in the past month that I've felt comfortable with any sort of weight in the front rack. The 105# I did for the workout was hard enough considering every thing else. I'd guess the RX'd weight of 145# would be close to my 1-3 rep max.
For just training the movement that makes sense. I'm a garage crossfitter and I have a neck issue that precludes my being able to overhead squat, but I can front squat with no problem. I front squatted 225lb about a year ago, which is typically about all my right knee will allow me to low-bar back squat.
Since I can't do overhead squats that precludes my being able to do heavy snatches so I just clean and jerk, power clean, and power snatch. Rippetoe is of the opinion that that is all that is required for general athleticism and GPP.
Gotcha. I joined a box at the beginning of the year after doing it with the same group as much as possible at the Y for about the last year. The right gear/facilities sure to make things nicer. Last time we did heavish front squats I did 205# for a set of 3. I'm hoping to had 50+ to that by the end of the summer as I'm finally getting confortable with position. I have the strength (I've zurcher squatted 305#), just couldn't seem to do it without nearly breaking my wrists prior.
As my hunt last week in AZ showed me, and I mentioned prior in this thread, the gym has helped except for my lower leg/ankle stability/strength. Any suggestions of what to do to make that better?
My previous job had me walking over rough/rocky ground quite often, especially in the summer, and I never seemed to have a problem. I didn't hurt myself, but was more sore than I remember being in my calves/ankles.
As my hunt last week in AZ showed me, and I mentioned prior in this thread, the gym has helped except for my lower leg/ankle stability/strength. Any suggestions of what to do to make that better?
Minimal shoes for starters. Some like Five Fingers, I hate 'em. New Balance MT20's for workouts and New Balance 730's for anything over 800m. I added an insole inside the 730's.
Getting on one of those Stairmaster Step Mills (looks like a section of an escalator) and DO NOT hold onto the handrail will develop a lot of lower leg strength/endurance.
Don't even think about running in minimal shoes until you've got POSE running form nailed down. It is easier to learn running fast than slow. The Crossfit Rx for running is: 1) Form first 2) Run short/hard 3) Finally add distance
If you are doing it right your lower leg will be smoked after a run. Over do it and you won't be able to walk the next day.
As my hunt last week in AZ showed me, and I mentioned prior in this thread, the gym has helped except for my lower leg/ankle stability/strength. Any suggestions of what to do to make that better?
My previous job had me walking over rough/rocky ground quite often, especially in the summer, and I never seemed to have a problem. I didn't hurt myself, but was more sore than I remember being in my calves/ankles.
Yep, go minimal on the shoes and barefoot whenever possible. A great exercise for the ankles/shins uses 5Lb plates. Attach a strap of some type, duct tape works, sticky to sticky side so you can slide it onto your feet just above the arch so the plate is centered right at the ball of your foot.
Sit at the end of your bed with the plates on your feet so your feet just hang out over the edge of the bed to allow full movement. Now rotate right, left, up, down etc to work the ankles and shin muscles. Be warned, start easy and take your time working up to whatever desired reps. you are shooting for. It's easy to work it too hard early, causing much soreness in the shins, ankle muscles etc and even possibly shin splint type issues so easy does it in the beginning
As my hunt last week in AZ showed me, and I mentioned prior in this thread, the gym has helped except for my lower leg/ankle stability/strength. Any suggestions of what to do to make that better?
I had a really bad ankle sprain a few years ago, and ended up doing physical therapy in order to be ready for hunting season.
The exercise that helped the most for my ankle was: Stand (barefoot) on one foot for up to a minute, then switch feet. If you can do that, make things more difficult. Close your eyes. Do something to distract yourself - toss a ball from one hand and catch it in the other. Stand on the ball of your foot - tiptoe, one leg squat, etc. Anything that distracts your focus will make balancing more difficult, and that will make your lower leg work harder.
The PT place had one of those balance balls that was also helpful, but I was surprised how much just working on one foot balance worked everything around the ankle. I noticed muscles firing that I never thought about before.
Do as much hiking/training as is practical with footwear that does not support your ankle. Be careful and do not injure yourself.
Appreciate it the tips/suggestions! I'll start on some of those. The plates and one legged stuff I can do at home. No longer have access to a Stepmill.
I'm slowly progressing to "flat" shoes. My current workout shoes only have a 4mm drop (Brooks).
Strength: Deadlift (goal of 75% of 1 rep max) 5-5-5-5-5 225-275-275-275-275
Workout: 21-15-9 for time Deadlift 225# Pullups
6:24
I substituted jumping pullups as I can't do A pullup. Need to work on my deadlift as I should be able to do more weight easier. I can squat that weight for those reps easier than I can deadlift it.
Pointer, I have nerve damage in my lower leg, and that affects strength and balance so I work the lower legs a lot. I think the best thing is hiking off-trail and at different angles, uphill, side-hilling both ways, downhill, etc., especially with a pack.
In the gym, I do a variation of skaters for side-to-side strength/stability. The variation is, don't stay in one place like you see in videos, jump a little forward each time. And don't be content to just hop a little, give it all you've got, concentrate on landing smoothly and holding the position for a second or two before you launch into the next jump.
Also, one-legged box jumps on a low box, concentrating on holding your position with a smooth landing.
For balance and stability, you can do a lot of different one-legged exercises on an unstable surface (BOSU ball or air cushion) or just on the floor. Start on the floor with a fairly heavy kettle bell or medicine ball in both hands at waist level, standing on one leg slightly bent. Bend down and touch the ball to the top of your foot, and push the off leg straight out behind you; then lift the ball and straighten up. Adjust the weight so you can do 10-15 reps at a time before your leg fatigues. Then work up to lifting the ball overhead with each rep (better balance needed), you'll probably have to drop down in weight for that.
Stand on one leg on the BOSU ball with the flat surface up. Have someone toss you a light medicine ball (not straight at you every time, they should knock you a little off-balance) for 60 seconds or until you can't any more. Do a few sets and your calves will be burning.
Stand on one leg on the BOSU, extend the off-leg straight out behind with your body as close to horizontal as possible, and do dumbell flies for your shoulders.
This one is guaranteed to burn your calves and works front-to-back stability and balance--stand on one leg on the BOSU and push your toe down until the front edge touches the floor; hold for a second then rotate your ankle backward until the back edge touches and hold for a second. Work up until you can do 20 at a time. You'll probably need a wet paper towel to wipe off the flat surface of the BOSU and the bottom of your shoe to keep from sliding around.
Last, this is another guaranteed to burn your calves. Jog backward on an inclined treadmill at 15%. I do this in 30-40 second intervals at about 3.6-3.8 mph, it doesn't take much speed to jog backward. After 30-40 seconds my calves are burning so I just turn around and walk forward at a slower speed to recover for two minutes, then go again. Best thing is, if you keep it up for 20-30 minutes you're getting both cardio and a calf-burning workout that is about as close as you can get in a gym to walking downhill.
Been attending the gym consistently 5x per week since I got back from a business trip where I ate way too much and did too little.
Today was...mixed:
Warmup - Work squat clean to 1RM, I made 125K, a 4K pr. - 10 minutes, every minute on the minute: 2x squat clean @ 100K - AMRAP in 8min: 3x 95lb thruster 3x chest to bar pullup 6x 95lb thruster 6x chest to bar pullup 9x 95lb thruster 9x chest to bar pullup and so on...I finished the round of 12 because I suck at both movements and at breathing. My lifting partner nearly finished the round of 18!
My strength is decent, and generally improving. I continue to suck at intense metcons. I need to keep focused on eating decent to keep trimming off weight, and push harder during metcons.
Pointer Who is doing your WOD programming? You are following a strength bias routine. Your strength portion is also usually in your metcon which is not always a good idea. Take a look at Invictus or Black Box for good ideas.
Pointer Who is doing your WOD programming? You are following a strength bias routine. Your strength portion is also usually in your metcon which is not always a good idea. Take a look at Invictus or Black Box for good ideas.
TAK was correct. I joined a Crossfit gym at the beginning of the year. I do what ever the coaches tell me to with as little of whining as possible. That said, I'm sure we'll incorporate a bunch more running once the weather allows it. The head cheese likes to run; former 400m runner. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll look into those.
That said, today's workout...
Back Squat 3-3-3-3-3-3-3 225-275-315-335(f)-335(f)-315-315(f)
315# was definitely max today, which was a real pisser for me. I know I can do more and was hoping to get 335# today. My lower/mid back is sore/tired from the deadlifts yesterday so that didn't help. I really should have done better today. GRRRRR....
I really did not try and overdo it at the Y, but my back has been horrible for 3 days now. I hope it isnt a kidney stone.....it feels not quite like I hurt my back. Getting a wee bit better so I did some pushups which was fine.
For lower leg strength....walk some sidehills. Doesnt take long before you feel it and a ditch will work.
I really did not try and overdo it at the Y, but my back has been horrible for 3 days now. I hope it isnt a kidney stone.....it feels not quite like I hurt my back.
You probably gave yourself a killer case of tendonitis where the spinae erectus muscles insert on your pelvic rim. I did the same thing trying to set a 500m PR on a Concept II rower about a year ago. It took 6 weeks and about a dozen chiro visits to get over it.
Changed it up today, did lower body/core but started with a warm-up and then 30 minutes of sprints. Forward, backward, cariocas, and some skaters mixed in. felt great.
Sprints will get you when you stay away from them for awhile.
Today good arm and leg weight workout and then Spinner for 50minutes.
Have had a nagging what appeared to be a hip problem since I ran a half back in May. Docs looked at this and then that. X-rays and then MRIs of the hip: Clean with minimal arthritis. Final diagnosis, after almost a year? Tore a muscle in my azz!!!! Glutes to the Docs. Could be worse. PT exercises for the last week and it is the best it has felt in sometime, but not close to 100%. The PT guy says plan on making the exercises a part of my routine if I want to keep it at bay.
Tore yer ass up, eh? I'm going back to the ortho next week. It's looking more like I'm gonna need rotator cuff surgery. Only question is whether I can wait until after hunting season.
Good luck with the Ortho Doc. How much dedicated, intensive PT have you done? Hoping it is more than a little in that it can make a major difference if things are not completely ruined.
Good luck with the Ortho Doc. How much dedicated, intensive PT have you done? Hoping it is more than a little in that it can make a major difference if things are not completely ruined.
This. I had my left rotator cuff repaired 5yrs ago. I got stuck with an occupational therapist (they do arms/hands). They are primarily concerned with getting granny able to wipe her own azz, at that point they call it good. I still had markedly reduced range of motion in my shoulder nearly a year later. I eased back into my garage Crossfit program. The strength came back pretty fast but it was over a year before I could do dips. I kept putting as heavy of a barbell over my head as often as I could manage. My Appley's "Scratch Test" is normal now, and the same as my right shoulder.
I got stuck with an OT because I didn't know better and because it is abnormal for a man my age to be able to do what I can do. Don't allow yourself to get short-changed.
I've been doing PT and strengthening exercises for the shoulder since the partial tear was diagnosed in 2003. At that time, the surgeon recommended surgery but I opted for PT and it's worked up until now. The surgeon said the tear actually appeared to have healed some. But now It's so sore that it interferes with daily life. Cortisone killed the pain temporarily. Sudden moves will send a sharp pain through it, as will a lot of other movements.
The surgeon is the team doctor for the Broncos and I see professional, collegiate, and high school athletes in the clinic getting PT all the time, so I'm pretty sure they take rehab beyond being able to wipe your ass.
If I'm going to get surgery, I'm going to get it sooner, rather than later so that I can heal up and get on with it. The later in life you wait, the harder it is to bounce back.
I took my dog out too, we're up .in the mtns. The trail was steep in places, icy the whole way. Got up to about 9500 and turned back at the point where it got steep enough that I knew I'd be busting my butt on the way down if I kept going. The dog wasn't even having fun, snow's so deep he couldn't go off-trail.
I was very happy with my time, but would like to increase the weight on the snatches and C&Js. The 3 middle KB exercises were to be done unbroken and all were done with 2 35# KBs. I didn't quite get that, but I did complete the swings and goblet squats unbroken and only set the KBs for about 5 sec between exercises. The KB clean & jerks I made set them down at 10, 17, 23, and 27. I was quite winded by then and my grip was shot.
Did cardio today, 35 minutes of intervals on the stair machine, 5 minute cool-down on the treadmill, some stretching, then 20 minuts of sprints, outdoors on artificial turf, it was sunny and 60!! Forward, backward, cariocas, and sometimes switching from one to the other mid-way. Plus some shuttle runs. I'm gonna be sore tomorrow.
if nothing else, this thread has made me switch some things up and not fall into a rut with the routines, which is easy to do. Thanks for that, Penguin1
Chest and arms weight circuit. And guess what? Concept2!!!! Imagine that.
Actually, I'm looking forward to some of that 60 stuff when it will be more conducive to going outside. Not all that bad around here temp wise, but the mud is everywhere when you get off pavement Toby brings more than I like back with him.
Not all that bad around here temp wise, but the mud is everywhere when you get off pavement Toby brings more than I like back with him.
I HATE PA winters! Go 4-500 miles north or south and you pretty much know what to expect. Not there though. I've seen ice two inches thick on the sidewalks there.
Workout: AMRAP in 17 mins Chest to bar pullups - 5 reps Burpees - 10 reps Squats - 15 reps Jumping Jack Burpees - 20 Reps Situps - 25 Reps
I completed 2+ rounds. Burpees absolutely suck the life out of me. I wasn't quite able to get my chest to the bar, even with a band, on the pullups, but I'm getting closer. Good workout, but I can see that I have LOTS to work on. I am able to recover much faster/better now after a workout, which is nice as my gas tank's not all that impressive. My gut is though!
PS- I absolutely, teetotally hate phoucing burpees of any type.
Had another good week. Sprinkled a bit of hill training into the mix this week and my achilles let me know about it, but no damage just the normal strain of not doing it for a while.
Workouts: 3 runs for 11 miles, 1 elliptical session, 1 swimming session, and several pullup sets over the week Diet: 5.0 of 7.0 clean eating days
Could stand to clean up the diet a bit more. But all in all a good week. Getting closer to the hills/threshold/long run cycle I am shooting for. Swimming is still rough around the edges. Pullups are progressing nicely.
Pointer I am a big CrossFit fan. I have been doing it for nearly four years. It is not about the amount of weight. The group environment is very motivating and competitive. That is great and not so great. The quality of coaching varies as does the willingness of men to listen. Have you noticed that women bring less ego to the workouts? They keep progressing but many men get in their own way. Those men get injured because they never get the foundation movements.
The order is ... FORM mastered first, then increase intensity ( number of movements in a given time ) and last increase load ( the amount of weight ) . Guys just about always want to load up before they have mastered the movements. CF is comprised of many very technical and difficult movements. Get those dialed in first. Best to you.
RinB- Thanks for the comments and perspective. I lightly dabbled with Crossfit on my own for a few years and then a bit more with a group at the Y for the past year. It's only been since the beginning of the year that I joined an actual Crossfit gym. That said, I agree with all you posted. I will keep your advice/precautions in mind as I could easily "get in my own way".
Have you found that for some movements that improved form is directly correlated to immediate improvement in intensity/load? Referring to Monday's workout, I do think if I could get better form for snatch/clean & jerk that the weight would quickly/easily also go up. It did for my front squat once I finally figured out a more proper front rack position.
Skill: Bear Complex - 1 rep is comprised of doing the following: Power Clean Front Squat Push Press Back Squat Push Press
Workout: 3 mins - Bear Complex - 135# 1 min Rest 3 mins - Pushups 1 min Rest 3 mins - Row for calories.
My total score was 102. I did 8 'Bears', 34 pushups, and 60cals on the rower. My pushups should be lots better, but I'm fat enough that any bodyweight exercise sucks. Pretty happy with my others. Could have maybe went a bit faster with the Bears.
PS- Glad I didn't have to do any burpees and yes I still hate them.
thanks Harry, I think I just over-did the sprints a little. Something about sudden starts/stops when you haven't done that in a while. Love the Van, just dusted off my Tupelo Honey CD for our drive up to the mountains this past weekend, now I've got to keep an eye on it or my son will want to 'borrow' it for a while......
In my 60s. Now it is heart, lungs, legs and back with some upper body stuff thrown in. I use a heart monitor and walk with an uphill componet, it is easier to maintain the target heart rate. Deadlifts for back and legs. I seldom go into the 300# range anymore. Snatches are for fast twitch muscles and it forces one to arch your back. Bad form and the weight comes down. Im just learning the snatch so I go really light. Just when I think I'm doing great the Crossfit Chicks arrive .
thanks Harry, I think I just over-did the sprints a little. Something about sudden starts/stops when you haven't done that in a while. Love the Van, just dusted off my Tupelo Honey CD for our drive up to the mountains this past weekend, now I've got to keep an eye on it or my son will want to 'borrow' it for a while......
Tupelo Honey is one of my favorites...
Enjoy reading the WO's here. I need to start posting.
Didn't get to box today so I thought I'd do something different, off the cuff cardio:
1/4 mile jog from house 2 40 yard sprints just striding 12 40 yard sprints HARD 1/4 mile jog back to the house Didn't time my rest periods but they were fairly short, it was 14:49 total time from house to back. 15 minutes on the elliptical, highest level, highest incline, switch direction every 2.5 minutes, 4 of last 5 minutes switch direction every minute, last minute switch every 30 seconds.
I went to the ortho today, gonna put off shoulder surgery until after hunting season. Hunting season is in September and the rehab takes 6 months so that's cutting it too close. Did upper body workout today.
I pay close attention to that, I've cut out a few things altogether, cut back on weight with others. I had a cortisone shot 6 weeks ago, that really helped but has mostly worn off. The pain is not as bad as it was before the shot though. I can do things now that I couldn't before the shot. Doc says if I want to, I can get another shot a few weeks before the season.
But yes, I let pain be my guide. Shoulder feels great right now, and I did upper body yesterday evening. That's progress.
I got in 135 reps. More was possible if I didn't mess up on the double unders. It probably takes me 100 'skips' to get to 30 double unders. The snatches were easy, except that I had no O2 from the DUs...grin.
Weights for arms and pull-ups. Worked with rubber tubed bands, planks, box step-ups, 12 pound ball throw sit-ups and 40minutes with treadmill intervals.
After hunting with Harry last fall I would say he is definitely in great shape. Have hunted with guys that were 20 years younger than him and he put them to shame. Don,t know if it is what he does or the fact that he does something but he is in fantastic shape for his age. Trying to talk him into hunting the mountains of West Virginia this fall with me. That would be a pretty good test.
Trying to talk him into hunting the mountains of West Virginia this fall with me. That would be a pretty good test.
I used to fish over there (WV) and hunt in western VA, not too far away. I miss those mtns. Went back a few years ago, here are some pics to whet his appetite:
I've tasted some of that country and like it more than a little. Ross will not have to twist my arm. But there are some Bird hunting trips planned and I'm not sure about the fit.
Monongahela NF:
From I think three years ago with a couple of the young Bucks that tolerate me. Admittedly one of there Dads is a best hunting bud.
The problem is in that area there are veeery few Deer.However, there are some giants in those hills. No shame in coming back in and saying you saw none. Last year work kept me from going and out of three guys they didn't see a Deer in three days.
Seeing two or three in a day is good. Cross paths with a Doe? Stay back and try to stick with her.
Workout: 8 rounds for time 100m shuttle run Row 500m
38:30
With only three rowers and 7 at the class, there was a bit of a log jam at the rowing station. That said, the wait/rest was greatly appreciated after a couple of rounds. Not sure if I would have had a much faster time or not. I tried to keep my row pace under 1:40 (per 500m), but was only able to do that for the first 4-5 rounds. I did keep it under 1:50 for all rounds, but that last one was tough to do so.
I tried to keep my row pace under 1:40 (per 500m), but was only able to do that for the first 4-5 rounds. I did keep it under 1:50 for all rounds, but that last one was tough to do so.
Those are some impressive rowing times. I'm happy when I can break 2min per 500m on repeats.
Thanks I think. I did have a decent break between 500's, so that helped. For some reason, even though I'm a tub of lard, I'm fairly efficient on a rower. I think it's the leg strength coupled with the tennis ball effect of my gut when I reset.
Chin-ups for arms intervaled with band stretching PT for the hip during work lunch break. The hospital provides us with a nice small gym that includes weights and various cardio machines.
What does everyone think of a ketogenic diet? I have been on it about a month and half and have lost about 8lbs. I feel I am losing fat only, as I have gained strength and have never felt better in the gym.
For the Old Guys the above row times put me back on the machine. 3x500meter rows on 6.5. Took a two minute break between rows. Cut me a little slack here will ya on the breaks.
What does everyone think of a ketogenic diet? I have been on it about a month and half and have lost about 8lbs. I feel I am losing fat only, as I have gained strength and have never felt better in the gym.
Ketogenic diet is primarily used to try and control recurring epileptic seizures. It is not so much a diet, but a life style. Works by making the body burn fat, but how long can you stick with it? Big with the body builders before a competition, but even they don't stick with it long term.
Completed 3 full rounds and 8 OHS on round 4. I did the first round of OHS unbroken, but had to break twice on the next two. Mostly due to my shoulders/upper back tiring and me losing form. I'm okay with the results and liked this workout.
What does everyone think of a ketogenic diet? I have been on it about a month and half and have lost about 8lbs. I feel I am losing fat only, as I have gained strength and have never felt better in the gym.
Ketogenic diet is primarily used to try and control recurring epileptic seizures. It is not so much a diet, but a life style. Works by making the body burn fat, but how long can you stick with it? Big with the body builders before a competition, but even they don't stick with it long term.
Goal: do at least a sprint triathlon but hopefully an Olympic by late August. Should put me in good shape for MT elk in Sept.
Just coming off of 6 months recovering from cancer treatments. Lost close to 40lbs and have gained about 10 back. Endurance is primary focus with rides on the trainer, swimming, and short runs. Runs are tough because I had a foot long blood clot in my left leg as a result of the cancer treatments. Simple exercised for strength training. Started two-a-days yesterday.
Diet - last few months was getting as many calories as possible. Now I'm starting to wean it down to 2000-2500 quality calories.
For the Old Guys the above row times put me back on the machine. 3x500meter rows on 6.5. Took a two minute break between rows. Cut me a little slack here will ya on the breaks.
First: 2:28, Second: 2:23, Third: 2:12
What do you weigh? Rowing is a lot like a horizontal power clean. Bigger guys have an advantage. I usually row with the fan set on four.
IIRC I rowed 500m in 1:39 last year and gave myself a killer case of tendonitis in my lower back in the process. Not gettin warm enough will bite you.
An interesting exercise on the rower is, AFTER GETTING REALLY WARM, seeing how hard you can pull with the erg set on watts, one pull
Ok guys thought I'd chime in. Just back from a 3.25 mile run with some pretty steep hills. 70 pushups and some curls with a 25 lb. dumbbell . Run every other day rarely miss. Do 50-70 pushups every other day as well. Have been keeping track for 2014 on the pushups this makes 1640 so far. Since I am 5' 11" and weigh 140 running is what I do best. Will start doing 400 meter intervals on the high school track when the weather breaks. Maybe do a couple 5k road races this spring to see how I hold up in my age group.
What does everyone think of a ketogenic diet? I have been on it about a month and half and have lost about 8lbs. I feel I am losing fat only, as I have gained strength and have never felt better in the gym.
Ketogenic diet is primarily used to try and control recurring epileptic seizures. It is not so much a diet, but a life style. Works by making the body burn fat, but how long can you stick with it? Big with the body builders before a competition, but even they don't stick with it long term.
Its the easiest diet I have ever been on.
Didn't say it wouldn't work. How many carbs are you allowed per day on your particular ketogenic diet? Normal is 40 to 50 carbs per day.
What does everyone think of a ketogenic diet? I have been on it about a month and half and have lost about 8lbs. I feel I am losing fat only, as I have gained strength and have never felt better in the gym.
Ketogenic diet is primarily used to try and control recurring epileptic seizures. It is not so much a diet, but a life style. Works by making the body burn fat, but how long can you stick with it? Big with the body builders before a competition, but even they don't stick with it long term.
Its the easiest diet I have ever been on.
Didn't say it wouldn't work. How many carbs are you allowed per day on your particular ketogenic diet? Normal is 40 to 50 carbs per day.
I try to limit my carbs to 30 net or less per day. I eat mostly eggs, cheese,fish poultry, steak. For veggies I eat green beans, broccoli, cauliflower, cucumbers, tomatoes, and lettuce. I also only use olive oil and butter. for cooking. I don't know watch calories at all, but rather eat till I am full. I lift three days a week with two 1 hour sessions of cardio per week.
What does everyone think of a ketogenic diet? I have been on it about a month and half and have lost about 8lbs. I feel I am losing fat only, as I have gained strength and have never felt better in the gym.
Ketogenic diet is primarily used to try and control recurring epileptic seizures. It is not so much a diet, but a life style. Works by making the body burn fat, but how long can you stick with it? Big with the body builders before a competition, but even they don't stick with it long term.
Before I left for SHOT (January 12) I was 230. I'm sure I put on a few at the Las Vegas buffets, but 230 was the last time I weighed myself before going ketogenic.
This morning I was 202.4. The first fifteen came off pretty danged fast, and then slow-but-steady I continue to trim down.
I have re-introduced limited amounts of high-quality carbs (brown rice), but at this point, I want to see 199 and then experiment with how many good carbs I can eat and maintain 200-ish.
Ankle surgery last summer really affected my mobility and limited my hunting season, and I put on some pounds! I am gearing up for a great summer and fall this year, and the weight came off MUCH faster than I anticipated going ketogenic (Atkins).
Keep up the good work. I dropped down to below 200 for the first time in many years around 2 years ago, and have managed to keep it off. I was only at 210 though. I still avoid most carbs but not my big bowl of whole-grain cereal in the morning, no sugar of course. Or a glass or two of red after dinner.
Realized Wednesday/Thursday that I'm not quite ready for two-a-day workouts. I'll back off a little until my endurance catches up with my desire to work out.
I don't know nuttin about burpees, nerfees, dookies, whambams, clean eating, crossfits, etc etc. I'll leave that to the other guys.
After shoulder surgery two weeks ago. Still sore and able to only lightly use the shoulder. Some days I can feel effects of the "stuff" they put into me. Two rounds with Prednisone packs, anesthesia, nerve block, hydrocodone, etc, etc. Coming off that junk just make a fella feel crappy.
So today, I fast walked/jogged 4 miles with 30 fast squats thrown in at the half way mark.
After two knee surgeries my "jogging" is slow and easy. Not racing the clock, just working the legs and heart/lungs.
Good start, good luck getting back into it snubbie. I did a little training hike today, about 1500 vertical up to 10K. Trail was icy so I broke out my new (to me) crampons, worked like a champ, thanks Ed!!
Yesterday: Due to mishaps/sick kids had to workout at home with very little time so...
3 Rounds for time: 400m Run 10 Squats 15 Pushups 20 Situps 12:32
Today: Warmup: Jog 400m and dynamic stretching
Skill: Rope Climbs (I sub in ladder pulls)
Workout: This is a 'hero' workout done for fallen soldiers/police/firefighters etc.
"RJ" 5 rounds for time of: Run 800 meters 6' ladder climb, 15 ascents 50 push-ups
58:24
This was a L O N G workout for me. But I do like mixing these in a bit as I feel they help you mentally for longer periods of work. Just like in Finding Nemo, "Just keep swimming, just keep swimming..."
Yesterday I started to do lower body, but tweaked a muscle in my calf doing sprints, so changed it up and did upper body. Going to take a few days off to let the calf heal.
Strength: DB Shoulder Presses 10-15-20 25#-30#-35#
Workout: 5 rounds for time Row 250M 30# DB Shoulder Press - 30 Reps
20:05
Harder and took longer than it looked on paper. Good workout though. I was happy with my time, but that's probably because rowing and shoulder press are about the only two things I'm relatively proficient at...
Warmup: None today. I don't really like to do them. Never have. I'm sure that'll change after I hurt myself.
Workout: This was the plan... 8 minute AMRAP (reps): 10 deadlifts, 135 / 95 lb. 15 box jumps, 24 / 20 inch 15 deadlifts, 185 / 135 lb. 15 box jumps, 24 / 20 inch 20 deadlifts, 225 / 155 lb. 15 box jumps, 24 / 20 inch 25 deadlifts, 275 / 185 lb. 15 box jumps, 24 / 20 inch
I ended up with 99 total reps, which is 9 reps into the 275# set. Fairly pleased. I have noticed I can recover much faster now than even 2mos ago. So I guess that's good...
Warmup: None today. I don't really like to do them. Never have. I'm sure that'll change after I hurt myself.
Workout: This was the plan... 8 minute AMRAP (reps): 10 deadlifts, 135 / 95 lb. 15 box jumps, 24 / 20 inch 15 deadlifts, 185 / 135 lb. 15 box jumps, 24 / 20 inch 20 deadlifts, 225 / 155 lb. 15 box jumps, 24 / 20 inch 25 deadlifts, 275 / 185 lb. 15 box jumps, 24 / 20 inch
I ended up with 99 total reps, which is 9 reps into the 275# set. Fairly pleased. I have noticed I can recover much faster now than even 2mos ago. So I guess that's good...
Nice work there pointer! I did the other open workouts, but I'm sitting this one out. My lower back likes to complain, and I've got a 10k tomorrow morning which will give it all it can handle.
Warmup: None today. I don't really like to do them. Never have. I'm sure that'll change after I hurt myself.
Workout: This was the plan... 8 minute AMRAP (reps): 10 deadlifts, 135 / 95 lb. 15 box jumps, 24 / 20 inch 15 deadlifts, 185 / 135 lb. 15 box jumps, 24 / 20 inch 20 deadlifts, 225 / 155 lb. 15 box jumps, 24 / 20 inch 25 deadlifts, 275 / 185 lb. 15 box jumps, 24 / 20 inch
I ended up with 99 total reps, which is 9 reps into the 275# set. Fairly pleased. I have noticed I can recover much faster now than even 2mos ago. So I guess that's good...
Nice work there pointer! I did the other open workouts, but I'm sitting this one out. My lower back likes to complain, and I've got a 10k tomorrow morning which will give it all it can handle.
Thanks. I missed the second one burying an uncle. Good luck on the 10K. Generally the participants provide it, but where you live they should be lots of good 'scenery'!
Guys, gimme your thoughts please, I fall apart every winter, nothing but sitting around and eating,
I need a indoor piece of equipment, I spent a few days this week at a motel which had an elliptical, I hopped on it, and it kicked my butt, just not used to it..
Which do you prefer, elliptical or treadmill?
Treadmill seems great for Cardio,
Elliptical seems great for Cardio and Legs,
I like the idea of the Elliptical for Mountain hunts.
If you had to go with one or the other, I'd get a good treadmill that you can incline at a good angle (15%).
But I wouldn't go with one or the other or even both, because they're very similar in the benefits you'd derive.
My recommendation would be to join a gym and hire a good trainer for 2-3 sessions and follow his/her advice. Because cardio alone won't get you there, you need resistance training plus cardio, especially as you get older.
I would rather walk outside in a thunderstorm but for us flatlanders who try to get in shape for mountain hunting I think the elliptical gives the most bang for your time spent on the stupid thing. It simulates hiking uphill better than a treadmill and especially when you don't have any real big long steep hills around your house since I would rather walk outside with a pack.
I would second smokepole's advice and do it at a gym. A good elliptical or treadmill is pricey and you don't have to house or look at the thing when not in use. Also the gym can do the maintenance.
My lower back likes to complain, and I've got a 10k tomorrow morning which will give it all it can handle.
If running 10K hurts your back, you really need to get someone to show you how to run, and most likely how to stand as well. Lumbar hyperextension is a biatch.
A used Precor 546 is a good machine. About 4K new, anything else or anything less is a total waste of money. World-class runners like Alberto Salazaar helped develop the Precor and it is the ONLY elliptical that has a stride that biomechanically approximates a runners stride.
If I were wealthy and had the room, I'd have the 546, a stepmill, and a Concept II rower. Since I'm a broke-azz, I'll make do with the rower, a Pendlay barbell and some bumper plates. The last two will do more to toughen your azz up than anything else, and that's a fact.
Kenneth, if you do go to the gym, check out the stair machines with moving stairs like an escalator. They will give you a better workout for climbing hills than either of the other two.
Just don't hold onto the handrails (it's beyond me why people do this, but most do) and push yourself. Do high-intensity interval training, it's better than just plodding along at a constant speed.
Kenneth, if you do go to the gym, check out the stair machines with moving stairs like an escalator. They will give you a better workout for climbing hills than either of the other two.
Just don't hold onto the handrails (it's beyond me why people do this, but most do) and push yourself. Do high-intensity interval training, it's better than just plodding along at a constant speed.
The contraption is called a stepmill, and not holding on to the rails is excellent advice. Daily use can be really hard on your knees, moreso for a short guy, as he will begin each step up from a more angled upper leg/more knee flexion.
Try intervals set at 60steps for "rest" and 80 for "work" for starters. Going more than a half-hour is a waste of time, IMO.
Shot SC clay again today and I am in a major, big time, monstrous slump. Whew it was bad. Probably should have worked out.
Anyway, something good happened today. The glut was essentially pain free. I could walk up two steps at a time and feel practically no pain. Pretty cool. PT has made a believer out of me. For those with a lingering workout injury-or pain from any injury-if possible don't leave a good PT program out of your recovery plan and give it time to work.
Being a tub o' lard, I had to substitute all of the exercises today. I jumped on the pullups, did the HSPU off a box, and jumped on the ring dips. Got a good workout in, but my score was obviously inflated because of this...
Motivation is low for me lately. Kinda did myself in with the 2x a days and no real weekend for rest. Last week I finally did some swim drills on Friday but nothing over the weekend though I did work on remodeling my basement. Hope to either run or ride tonight followed by some strength training.
A used Precor 546 is a good machine. About 4K new, anything else or anything less is a total waste of money. World-class runners like Alberto Salazaar helped develop the Precor and it is the ONLY elliptical that has a stride that biomechanically approximates a runners stride.
If I were wealthy and had the room, I'd have the 546, a stepmill, and a Concept II rower. Since I'm a broke-azz, I'll make do with the rower, a Pendlay barbell and some bumper plates. The last two will do more to toughen your azz up than anything else, and that's a fact.
I'm a fan of elliptical machines for the low impact. There are a lot of good elliptical machines out there. I think Precor is the best I've used, but approximating a runners stride isn't the end all of rating one. As long as it is biomechanically correct (no joint torque, natural movement, etc) the motion can have a wide range. It may be better NOT to approximate a runners stride in some cases.
Pendlay makes some great bars. I been using one of their needle bearing bars with their econ plates for a number of years now. I picked up one of their ladies bushing bars for my wife and wasn't as impressed with it. Big difference in the spin between the two but for most folks it won't make a difference.
I did "the hill". It drops down off the backside of my property, for about 350+ yards, moderately steep. Then dropping down the front of my property is about 125 yards and pretty darn steep. On the back there's maybe 30 yards that is mostly flat. I did 5 reps, which translates to around 1.3 miles of descending and climbing with a fair amount of side hilling involved. Went for an hour until my legs were getting rubbery. Wore my hunting boots and carried a light (15lb) pack.
I don't have any set routines. I'm 51, 6', 138 lbs. Thin by most standards. Preferred work out is obstacle race-like; carrying, pulling, pushing, climbing, dragging mixed into running. Ran 50 miles of mountain trails in 12.5 hours this past weekend. That was exhausting. Wanted a sub-12-hour time, but digestive problems slowed me down. Completed 932 pushups in 60 minutes in January. Was trying for 1,000 in one hour; trained with a 40 lb. pack leading up to that day. Blessed/cursed to be able to eat as many calories as I want and not keep the weight. More calories just turn up my metabolism.
I decided to try a run yesterday. First time running outside since May of last year. I only went just over a mile with a few walk breaks in but it felt pretty good. Left leg didn't hurt from the clot as much as both legs hurt from lack of running. Could tell my neck muscles are still weak from radiation but overall it was a good run. Heartrate climbed but recovered quickly when I slowed to a walk. Pace was probably a little too fast for just starting back at it again. A little sore today but may give it another shot tonight but slow the pace a little and try to stretch the distance between walks.
With a single 35# kettlebell: 21 Turkish get-ups, Right arm 50 Swings 21 Overhead squats, Left arm 50 Swings 21 Overhead squats, Right arm 50 Swings 21 Turkish get-ups, Left arm
Time 31:10. My shoulders are smoked. Good workout. The getups take some getting used to on form. About 1/2 halfway through the first set I was overtaken by an uncontrollable fit of manic laughter. I got sloppy on the form and my arm gave out. Just by the slimmest of margins did I stop/redirect the kettlebell from knocking my teeth in. It was one of those, WHEW! narrow miss moments that just make one laugh. Good times.
Man what a busy last couple weeks! Proud to say I haven't let work keep me out of the gym although it has made it a bit tough. Solidly in the hills/tempo/stamina cycle for running. Weight lifting is sparse but consistent. Cross training is being worked in on non-running days.
Am pretty happy with this mileage and will keep it consistent until the trails open up. Working a bit more quality in as I go along.
See that wagon over there? that is the one I fell off after i found out I didnt get drawn for my elk hunt. Dang it. So we are shoe-ins for 2015 but that doesnt leave me a lot of motivation for this year. My plan is to work out, but not at the level I was planning. I wanna lose 1 pound a month. Pretty doable I hope.
Meanwhile, while you guys are grunting and sweating, I am munching some almonds and cashews!
Warmup: Jog 400m Dynamic Hip and Shoulder stretches
Strength: Thrusters 15-10-5 95#-115#-135#
Workout: For time: 50 pull-ups 400-meter run 95-lb. thruster, 21 reps 800-meter run 95-lb. thruster, 21 reps 400-meter run 50 pull-ups
21:28
I subbed in jumping pullups. This week has been a grinder... However, I'm sorta getting into these 'longer' workouts. Going longer, at less than redline ever so often will help come fall.
1.5 mile "run" this morning Felt better than Monday's run but still had my pace too high - 8:40 to 9:15. Already sore so tomorrow is going to be rough.
Swim drills or strength training tonight if I don't take my son to indoor soccer.
3.2mile slow old guy jog and the hip (glut) held up fine. First time I've been able to do that in 10 months!!!! Could have gone further, but that was good enough for now. What a hooooooot!!!!
Warmup/Skill: Running form while working to threshold
Workout: Run 1 mile for time 9:30
I'm embarrassingly slow and almost didn't post that result. Now that the weather's getting better I'm going to start running at least 2X/week in the evenings. That time and my ability to go longer without stopping has to improve.
30 minutes catch your breath weight cardio. Pointer made me look up thrusters. 3 sets of 20 with 50 or 55 pounds depending on what the bar weighed. Between each set did a 500meter quick row. Then finished the weights off with an arm circuit.
Finished up with 20minutes moderate cool down on spinner and 20minutes moderate rower.
I didn't make it through a full round (through 27 of the cleans). I could have went a bit faster on the row (2:43) but in the end I'm glad I didn't. I subbed in hanging knee tucks for the T2B as I can't do those. All in all a good workout and I was pretty happy with my result.
Back was a little tight this AM after those thrusters. Anyway it has loosened up considerably. Today may be a break day. Plan to do a little with the shotgun and perhaps a short hike or jog.
I'll jump in here. I've been doing the dieting/ eating correctly, working out for 5 weeks. Start weight was 185.5, goal weight is 165. I'm at 174 today. I went from no work out at all to bicycling every other day. Took sweets ( Chocolate)completely out of my diet. Dropped to ~1200-1400 calories a day. Still fighting the breads. Next goal is to bicycle up Badger Mountain road non stop by 5-1-14. It's a 5 mile grueling up hill ride.
Back was a little tight this AM after those thrusters. Anyway it has loosened up considerably. Today may be a break day. Plan to do a little with the shotgun and perhaps a short hike or jog.
Thrusters will suck the air out of you and make you sore the next day! Well done!
Did a little swim last night. Back shoulders and neck are sore today so I probably will just walk a buddy's property with him then go look for sheds around home.
Something you guys may be interested in is www.loseit.com. I used it to drop 50lbs in 2011. Really opened my eyes as to how many calories I was actually eating and what type. I've used it to track my diet all thru cancer and was able to send a weekly report to the dietician. Now I'm just making sure I eat enough of the right combinations. Pretty handy tool IMO.
I went on a crash diet this weekend, lost two pounds. But I wouldn't recommend it--food poisoning. Got in plenty of "squats" on Saturday. By yesterday afternoon I was feeling good enough to take the dog on his run. He spent a lot of time looking back over his shoulder as if to say "would you please hurry up." By this morning I was feeling back to normal so went to the gym, got halfway through the lower body/core workout and ran out of gas, felt like a limp dish rag. Better than nothing though.
I went on a crash diet this weekend, lost two pounds. But I wouldn't recommend it--food poisoning. Got in plenty of "squats" on Saturday. By yesterday afternoon I was feeling good enough to take the dog on his run. He spent a lot of time looking back over his shoulder as if to say "would you please hurry up." By this morning I was feeling back to normal so went to the gym, got halfway through the lower body/core workout and ran out of gas, felt like a limp dish rag. Better than nothing though.
Not fun at all, BTDT. I'm surprised you're even moving yet.
Did a little swim last night. Back shoulders and neck are sore today so I probably will just walk a buddy's property with him then go look for sheds around home...
I'm getting used to my shoulders being sore on sunday evenings due to the morning swim. I think it is the backstroke that is doing the damage. But I'm enjoying it so I keep at it.
Another good week:
3 runs for 11 miles (1 threshold, 1 hills, 1 stamina) 2 elliptical workouts and 1 swim.
Diet was pretty clean but I lost count of clean days somewhere along the line.
Workout: Perform the following every minute on the minute for 12 minutes:
Strict Handstand Push Ups, 3reps
Kettlebell Swings 1.5 pood/1 pood, 5 reps
Burpees, 7 reps
Post reps to comments.
120 Reps. Turned into an AMRAP for me after the first minute as I couldn't go fast enough to get a break. I was happy with my strict presses though. If I start working them a bit more, I think I can hit my goal this summer.
You guys are an inspiration. This time a thanks goes out to Snubbie.
Decided it was time to give the glut a little real world test. So, placed 1.5 flats of 12 gauge shotgun shells in the pack-should be a little over 30 pounds-and hit one of the local parks that has a bunch of trials. One of which is up a gas line and is called heart attack trial.
Held up pretty good with a constant slight twinge in the glut that just may be a permanent friend. I'm thinking I will be reminded of that tare from here on. Finished up after 1hour and 40 minutes of up and down. Heart rate pretty much stayed in the 140-160 range, so a good cardio and leg workout. Little stiff when I got out of the truck, but not all that bad.
Will hit the gym tonight for some stretching and arm work.
Addition: I had one of those sour cream powdered Dunkin Donuts myself this AM.
Not sure what you guys mean by clean, but this is about as clean as I can get.
Breakfast Bananna - 1 Medium, Detour Lean Muscle - 32g Protein Cookies and Cream, 1 Bar
Lunch Carrots - Raw, 1 cup,
Grouse breast: Maybe an ounce (1/2 breast)
Lunch was on the run between stuff. Usually will be more.
Dinner Amish - Apple Butter, 3 tablsp Apple - Large Gala Apple, 1 large apple Bananna - 1 Medium, 1 banana Chobani - Chobani Yogurt Passion Fruit, 5.3 oz Sliced Turkey breast: Enough to make a good sandwich.
Snacks Dunkin Donuts - Sour Cream Donut , 1 donut Twin Lab - Protein Powder - Vanilla, 1 scoop Green tea with maybe a tablespoon of local wild flower honey.
Workout was 1hour 40minute hike with 30 pound pack and arm/delt circuit along with some 3x10 sets of 17 inch box step ups.
I ate one of those little white powdered donuts today. It was good.
Is that a commentary on nutrition, or was that your workout for the day?
A moment of weakness. I've found 20 pounds someone else lost & I need to get rid of it. So I've cut down. Trying to eat until just satisfied. Lots of fruits & veggies. Cut out sweets, which is a hard one. My wife bought a bag of those little white donuts. I swore I would avoid the things. But you know, late in the evenings they start singing. Then I have to go into the kitchen to get them to quieten down and before ya know it, one had jumped out of the bag and into my hand. I had no choice at that point but to pop it in my mouth. Tricky little devils.
This was capped at 25mins and I didn't make the cut. I ended up with 435reps. 270+ situps in 25 mins is gonna have me moving quite tenderly tomorrow I think...
And you pay good money for this privilege....??????
Yep. Sorry to say, but my life's so mundane that this is often the hightlight of my day...
Well, if you are too gimped up tommorrow to work out, you should tell the guy at your box who's doing your programming that he's a dumbazz. Some mixture of fewer situps with a few knees to elbows (in straps to scale the movement in necessary) would have been my suggestion.
Hi-rep situps are prone to cause pretty bad tendonitis at the hip where the middle quad originates. Strain that muscle/tendon and you won't be doing jack for two months.
Boring, but not extremely hard. You can make it so, but I normally do intervals of slow @ 26 rows per minute, moderate @ 28-29 rows per minute and then hard at 33-34 rows per minute. Hard for me anyway.
Also change the resistance from 5.5 and on occasion up to 10. Having something interesting to watch on the tube makes it go fairly quick.
Did hit a one time row the other day of 2:07 for 500meters. Goal is to bust thru the 2minute mark you mentioned.
Boring, but not extremely hard. You can make it so, but I normally do intervals of slow @ 26 rows per minute, moderate @ 28-29 rows per minute and then hard at 33-34 rows per minute. Hard for me anyway.
Also change the resistance from 5.5 and on occasion up to 10. Having something interesting to watch on the tube makes it go fairly quick.
Did hit a one time row the other day of 2:07 for 500meters. Goal is to bust thru the 2minute mark you mentioned.
You've convinced me to try to longer rows. My stroke rate is 26-7 typically. 5K usually takes slightly over 13min, I've been trying to break 13 without success.
One thing you might try twice each week would be Tabata rows. 20 flat out, 10sec "active rest" or row really slow, eight rounds, NO BREAKS. ENSURE you are really warm before you try this.
Learning to do a barbell powerclean would help also, I believe, doing low reps for strength first and then doing occasional "met-con" workouts using a light weight, IE, 75-115lb
Our machines must be calibrated different in that I usually do a slow 24-25rpm warm up for 3-4 minutes then do the intervals for 20 some minutes and finish up with a 3min cool down.
Depending, I will usually end up around 5000 to 5200 total for 30 minutes. Seems that is not all the unusual in that on the Y machines I always end up with a faster stroke rate and total than on my home machine.
Anyway you always give solid advice when it comes to working out. Appreciate it.
Then again you are probably stronger and getting more meters per pull than my skinny azz.
And you pay good money for this privilege....??????
Yep. Sorry to say, but my life's so mundane that this is often the hightlight of my day...
Well, if you are too gimped up tommorrow to work out, you should tell the guy at your box who's doing your programming that he's a dumbazz. Some mixture of fewer situps with a few knees to elbows (in straps to scale the movement in necessary) would have been my suggestion.
Hi-rep situps are prone to cause pretty bad tendonitis at the hip where the middle quad originates. Strain that muscle/tendon and you won't be doing jack for two months.
He gave the option of scaling the reps, but not the movement on the situp as that's what he wanted us to do. I didn't scale because I wanted to try to comeplete the workout, but I didn't. And yes, he addressed the hips during the skill/coaching part and during the cool down.
Yes, I'm sore this morning, but not too sore to workout, though I didn't work out. Wife's gonna be gone for a few days so I took her clothes off and wrestled her instead. I won.
One thing you might try twice each week would be Tabata rows. 20 flat out, 10sec "active rest" or row really slow, eight rounds, NO BREAKS. ENSURE you are really warm before you try this.
Learning to do a barbell power clean would help also, I believe, doing low reps for strength first and then doing occasional "met-con" workouts using a light weight, IE, 75-115lb
35 minutes on the Concept 2:
4 minute warm up and then did your recommended Tabata workout. 20 seconds max and 10 seconds rest. Did 8 sets then decided to do 2 more. Total of 10. 20 second rows were hitting 85 meters.
Went to 30 minutes with intervals and finished up with a 5 minute slow down for a total of 35minutes.
Slow jog with 40 lunges and 40 squats thrown in, then did "the hill" twice. Had to drop from a jog to a fast walk a couple times, the spirit was willing but the body was weak. Total distance was 4.5 miles. Ate kind of "light" all day and felt I needed more fuel to keep up the pace. I've had very little sugary stuff lately.
Went to dinner last night with the Daughter and Grandkids. The Kids wanted Chinese so that sealed the decision deal. Place was busy, but we waited for over an hour after ordering and I finally said enough and we left.
Getting close to their bedtime so we went home and sat down to big bowls of ice cream topped with whipped cream. Finished off with a couple chocolate chipped cookies.
So last night on the 5th trip up the stairs at Red Rocks, I was nearing the top. As I started reaching out to grab the rail I subconsciously heard Smokepole's voice, "Rails are cheating!" I didn't grab the rail Smoke.....I do like climbing those stairs with my kids, good workout and gets my heart just racing.
Doing this in preparation for opening the website in late April and seeing 0 points remain for sheep.
Didn't post yesterday's as I didn't workout until the afternoon. First is yesterday's report.
Warmup: 200 single unders
Skill: Double under form
Workout: 19 min AMRAP (rounds) 30 Double Unders Row 500M or 50 Sumo Deadlift High Pulls - 45#
5 Rounds. This one was a lung killer. I did the SDHP as the rowers were taken, which sucks as I think the SDHP are harder. I'm getting better at double hunders, but am far from 'good'.
I got to the gym early so worked up to a 1 rep max on strict press and hit a personal best of 185#. It's not a lot, but I'm happy to see it's 10# heavier than last time I tried a 1 rep max.
Today Warmup: 15 each of the following: Jumping Jacks Squats Pushups Dumbbell Rows
Strength/Skill: Front Squat 14-12-10 135#-135#-135#
Back Squat 16-12-10 135#-155#-155#
Workout: 4 Rounds for time:
Ring Push ups, 10 reps Front Squats 155#/105#, 12 reps Ring Dips, 14 reps Back Squats 155#/105#, 16 reps Ring Inverted Rows, 20 reps
25:45
I did regular pushups and the dips on a box as I'm fat. I was happy that I completed the workout, but today was a tough day. If my math is correct, I did 184 reps of weighted squats today. Uggghhh. I'm guessing I'll be sore tomorrow. That said, it was good to push through a hard, long workout.
Workout: 4 Rounds 20 reps of Power Snatch 105#/65# Run 200m
For time.
16:24
Fairly happy with my time. Really need to work on my snatch as 105# shouldn't feel that heavy. My legs are still sore as heck from two days ago. Hoping today's workout gets them feeling better...
Doing this in preparation for opening the website in late April and seeing 0 points remain for sheep.
Wish I had that same foresight when I drew goat. It worked out okay, but it would have been less painful had I started working out hard[er] earlier. I didn't realize how disadvantaged I was going to be wanting to hunt sheep in Colorado as a non-resident - my odds (and cost!) went from lousy to terrible.
I hate hearing Smokepoles's voice when I workout - gives me the creeps, mainly.
So last night on the 5th trip up the stairs at Red Rocks, I was nearing the top. As I started reaching out to grab the rail I subconsciously heard Smokepole's voice, "Rails are cheating!" I didn't grab the rail Smoke.....I do like climbing those stairs with my kids, good workout and gets my heart just racing.
I rode my bicycle up to the top of Red Rocks last September...after I rode my bicycle from Parker to Morrison. Then I rode back to Parker.
Not a big bike rider but that sounds like a brutal workout. Best conditioned guy I ever hunted with was an avid long distance bike rider. I probably need to start doing that too.
Not a big bike rider but that sounds like a brutal workout. Best conditioned guy I ever hunted with was an avid long distance bike rider. I probably need to start doing that too.
Well you live in a fantastic place for it. Denver's multi-use trail system is an incredible resource for cyclists...over 850 miles of it. I've also ridden from Parker to Golden, then back to Parker. I've ridden all over the place up there. I love it...!
Since I am not able to do A muscle up I opted for the 'or' workout. Used bands for the pullups and did holds/negatives on the dips. Both on rings. My strength to weight ratio sucks...
Did cardio today, burned 800 calories if you can believe the machines. Which is a good thing because those pork carnitas and Negra Modelos sure were good.
Ran Red Rocks again yesterday. Then bought tamales and drank Millers. Seeing some improvement on the stairs. Red Rocks is way better at 6 am or 6 pm on weekdays. Ton of people there yesterday.
Since I am not able to do A muscle up I opted for the 'or' workout. Used bands for the pullups and did holds/negatives on the dips. Both on rings. My strength to weight ratio sucks...
180 reps of mostly eccentric contractions (full body weight) in under a half-hour, and you say you've still got a lot of weight to loose. Your box's instructor has a questionable knowledge level for how to scale workouts. If you don't wind up with a case of rhabdomyolysis it won't be for lack of trying. I've seen it and it ain't pretty
Yes, a female, from "jumping" pullups. High-rep eccentric contractions in first year Crossfitters is playin' with fire, you might just get burned. Everybody ain't Rich Froning
Since I am not able to do A muscle up I opted for the 'or' workout. Used bands for the pullups and did holds/negatives on the dips. Both on rings. My strength to weight ratio sucks...
180 reps of mostly eccentric contractions (full body weight) in under a half-hour, and you say you've still got a lot of weight to loose. Your box's instructor has a questionable knowledge level for how to scale workouts. If you don't wind up with a case of rhabdomyolysis it won't be for lack of trying. I've seen it and it ain't pretty
Thank you for your concern. I'm pretty positive that I don't have the will power to push myself hard enough to get rhabdomyolysis. That same lack of will power keeps me fat.
Warmup: Passthroughs and dynamic hip/quad movements
Skill/Strength: Power Pulls 15-10-5 95#-115#-135#
Overhead Squats 10-5-1 115#-135#-135#
Workout: Snatch 30 reps - 135# For Time
6:56 I started out at 135# and got through 12 reps, but form was getting bad and was 'ordered' to reduce my weight. Dropped down to 115# and finished it. I can get the weight up, just can get my butt underneath it. Frustrated at myself...
The guy who defends Crossfit endlessly saying Crossfit sucks!
I'm also a proponent/defender of the 2nd Ammendment and firearms rights but I'm also in favor of their safe employment, IE Cooper's Four Rules.
Stupid is as stupid does. Don't be stupid. Not realizing you are at muscle failure and dropping the barbell on your skull isn't "Crossfit", it is stupid. Participating in workouts that involve high-rep eccentric contractions, as a rookie Crossfitter, after being warned repeatedly that that can debilitating, and possibly life altering (IE, loss of kidney function) isn't "Crossfit", it is stupid.
late to the party, too much time spent discussing politics and other bullchit on hunters campfire.
have a goal to do an overland hike next year with my bestest pard and float out of a river via packrafts.
gonna start training in earnest for it (hopefully it will motivate me to do so)
and hope to be ready to hunt sheep this August because of it, hunt hard this fall.
like smokepole, my goal is to keep moving the crossbars back as often and as far as I can.
I'm 56 years young (well old someday) stand 6'1" and am at 201.4 lbs. this a.m.
sheep shape for me is typically 195 lbs. but I've been in the best shape of my life at 215 (lifting alot) and the worst shape of my life at 215 (only lifting beers and snacks outa fridge)
last year I got down to 195 again, but it was all stress as my wife was very, very ill. I was in no shape to go sheep hunting despite my reduced weight.
nutrition is the devil for me, I love healthy food, I love junk food, most of my life I've enjoyed the seefood diet, I see food and EAT it!
in my youth it didn't seem to matter much, by late 40's early 50's I began to weep for the tale of the tape.
one of the things I really want to add to my workout regimen is yoga for flexibility and balance. Some scoff at the idea, but just like what gear I use, I could care less. What I do and the choices I make is to make me happy, no one else (well maybe some poor girl foolish enough to marry my worthless azz)
great thread Will, sorry it took me so long to discover it.
IIRC I rowed 500m in 1:39 last year and gave myself a killer case of tendonitis in my lower back in the process. Not gettin warm enough will bite you.
An interesting exercise on the rower is, AFTER GETTING REALLY WARM, seeing how hard you can pull with the erg set on watts, one pull
I'm just getting back on the rower, trying to do 20 minutes at a fairly fixed pace. I'm not good at pacing on the rowing machine. I did have watts displayed though, so tried to pay attention when I got around the 18 minute mark and the end was in sight. Pulled a few at 300+, with I think 309 being the max. I have no idea if that is awesome or pathetic, but I'd guess pathetic based on my current physical condition.
300W sustained is a hellacious pace. Olympic caliber rowers can pull over 1000W for a few pulls. Crossfitters use either calories (this will count as a "rep" in workouts like Fight Gone Bad) or leave it set on the 500m pace. There are some excellent videos on rowing form at the Crossfit site featuring a chick who use to row in college and is a Concept factory rep.
Strength: Front Squat 5-5-5-4-4-2 135#-155#-165#-175#-185#-215#
Workout: 3 Rounds
135# Front Squat, 15 reps
Walking Lunges, 35 reps
Row 250m/Sumo Deadlift High Pulls 45#, 25 Reps
For time.
15:13
Finally getting my form down on Front Squats. I think I could easily have gotten another 10 and possible 20# for 2 on those. We had more people than rowers, so I subbed in SDLHP for two of the rounds. The round I rowed I did okay getting 250m in about 45 sec. Lunges will have me sore tomorrow.
I started doing front squats too, over back squats as I was having trouble finding my [bleep] squat rack with the bar when squatting solo. Front squats are some awkward exercises for me, and I feel them pulling on muscles I haven't used before in my core.
I'm doing the basic bench/squat/deadlift. No cardio. We'll see show things shake out in the mountains this fall with no cardio.
Thrusters: 4x12 65lbs Wall throws: 4x16 12lbs Box step up: 4x20 24.5inches Standing lat pull downs: 2 wide + 2 close 67.5lbs Barbell curls, slow up and down: 7x15 50lbs
A young guy was in the gym last week doing box jumps at 61.5inches. Landed so soft you hardly heard anything and the top box was only little wider than his two feet. Pretty impressive.
I'm doing the basic bench/squat/deadlift. No cardio. We'll see show things shake out in the mountains this fall with no cardio.
Once your gains stall, there is more to be gained from cardio, and in particular moving heavy schidt while at a high heart rate, IE, 10 BW deads, 400m x 3 for time, that just doing the same weight routine over and over.
I made it to jumping squats for a rep total of 429. No one in my class made it past the bear crawls. It'll be interesting to see how far anyone gets. Good work capacity workout.
However the weather has broke to the good side, so perhaps a hike is in order for tomorrow. Have some yard work to take care of so that is on the agenda. Will have a hard time squeezing in some shotgunning. Hmmmm priorities.
The Paleo guys say no milk of course but I don't think they have science on their side. Skim milk has the requisite 4:3 carb/protein ratio the Zone Diet requires, and IIRC, 2% milk gives you the 30/30/40 ratio almost exactly.
I'll mix skim milk with my protein shake (Cytogainer) and eat nuts to get the fat for a meal replacement. After a workout, you do not need the fat. Also, after a workout, your body can utilize more sugars to replace the glycogen you just burned, without jacking insulin up. Some say chocolate milk is the perfect post-workout/recovery food. Basically a Zone liquid meal plus some extra simple sugars.
Many prefer skim milk to avoid saturated fat. The research is now coming in that, as many have long said, saturated fat, in moderation, has never been a factor in heart disease, and may actually be cardio protective.
I've also read some of the recent literature on changing thoughts re saturated fats. My take is that some are genetically programed to be more sensitive to saturated fats and some are able to tolerate them in quantity.
I think trying to completely avoid sat fats is a guaranteed way to frustrate ones efforts to eat a balanced diet. Also have been reading some investigations into the role of fats in delaying Alzheimer's. Expecially MCT Oil. (Medium Chain Tryglycerides)
I take a hit of it every couple days.
Another of my food addictions. Have a hit of this stuff just about daily.
Harry: I looked into coconut oil a while back as an Alzheimer's prophylactic. My mom had it. What I found was a single anecdotal study that supported it's effectiveness, done by a woman who was selling a book on the subject. Is there any more recent information on it?
Check out Turmeric as an anti-inflammatory and also potential prophylactic for arthritis pain and certain cancers. A Google search will get you tons of info.
I probably read a review of the same book. However, I seriously doubt that enough valid research has been done to validate the conclusions.
I have causally read a good bit on Alzheimer's and the proposed causes, and truthfully it is too complicated for me to understand the whys of it, so my thoughts are subject at best. What is known and proven, is that a fully functional brain needs cholesterol: perhaps more so than any other organ. Therefore, I am of the opinion that trying to lower cholesterol to abnormal levels "may" have adverse consequences on brain function. I think trans fats have been proven to be bad, however saying all saturated fat is bad, well I'm not personally convinced.
Seems to be the brain functions on glucose and that as we age it ability to use it diminishes. However, it can replace glucose with ketones and get along just fine. Which seems to be one of the advantages of the ketogenic diet, in that it releases ketones into the blood stream.
Now if cholesterol was all that bad-and some propose it is a contributor for Alzheimer's dementia-then with the wide spread use of statin drugs over the last decade, you would think by now we would be seeing declining incidence; or at least delayed progression of declining brain function. So far that has not been the case. Is the reason because the population is aging faster, and more are inclined to Alzeheimer's? Perhaps????
Perhaps everything in moderation is where the truth lies.
For what it is worth and I have stayed at the Holiday Inn. Usually express and not the select.
Got in a short hour plus hike outside. Housebound was driving me nuts. Perhaps will hit the gym a little later in the evening.
Addition: A while back, one of my best buds who is a physician said I have to go on Statins, so away we went. Bloods tests always normal, but after about 8 months the legs started to huuuurt. Blood tests still normal. He said it was in my mind. Quit the statins and 3 days later the legs felt fine. "It's in your mind", he says. Back on Statins and back to legs hurt. Quit them, legs feel fine. No more I say and he shrugs and says, "Its in you mind."
Eventually he puts himself on Statins, and eventually I get a phone call. "It wasn't in your mind" is what I heard.
What I take from that is if Statins can cause inflammation of leg muscles, can they also cause inflammation of brain cells and the corresponding decrease of cholesterol possibly have detrimental consequences on the brain?
Just throwing that out there. Perhaps the Docs can give some insight.
What I take from that is if Statins can cause inflammation of leg muscles, can they also cause inflammation of brain cells and the corresponding decrease of cholesterol possibly have detrimental consequences on the brain?
Just throwing that out there. Perhaps the Docs can give some insight.
Well, they sure as hell cause diabetes. Alzheimer's is referred to by many researcher now as "Type III Diabetes".
When you read that article, you will quickly realize how "pro-statin" the authors are, so for them to not be able to figure out a way to crush this research is telling.
Gave Turmeric a quick look and will go into it further. Some scoff at such things, however they are making a mistake.
There are no natural drugs in that every thing that works does so because of some medicinal compound. Two common examples are digitalis and statin compounds. Digitalis bark or leaves-I can't remember which-was chewed on by ancients for a weak heart. Red Rice yeast, which many think is a natural way to reduce cholesterol works because it contains the active ingredient in lovastatin and will have the same precautions and side effects. Problem is there are no standardizations when it comes to the so called naturals.
Didn't go to the gym so ended up with an 80 min hike with a 35 pound pack and two good hills.Three good days in a row of cardio and legs, so will try some moderate weights tomorrow.
When you read that article, you will quickly realize how "pro-statin" the authors are, so for them to not be able to figure out a way to crush this research is telling.
T_A_K, is there any way you could cut and paste the article? The website wants me to sign up for a subscription.
Hello, this is Dr. JoAnn Manson, Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School and Brigham and Women's Hospital. I would like to talk with you today about a recently published study on the link between cholesterol-lowering statin medications and an increased risk for new-onset diabetes. A paper was just published online in the January 9 issue of Archives of Internal Medicine.[1] Along with my colleagues, I looked at this question in the Women's Health Initiative observational analysis of more than 153,000 women, ages 50-79 at baseline. During follow-up, more than 10,000 cases of diabetes were diagnosed.
We found that statin therapy -- statins of all types -- were associated with an increased risk for diabetes, about 48% overall, or moderate increase in risk. This was similar to the magnitude seen between rosuvastatin and diabetes risk in the JUPITER trial, and meta-analyses of randomized trials have further supported that there may be an increased risk for diabetes with a very wide range of statins. This could be a medication class effect.
Our analyses similarly suggested that this could be a medication class effect that was relevant to all forms of statins. We found increased risk for diabetes with both low-potency and high-potency statins across the board, but no clear relationship with dose or with duration of therapy.
What are the implications of these findings? We don't think the findings should change clinical practice guidelines, because for the vast majority of patients who are on statins, the benefits are expected to outweigh the risks. Statins are very effective at lowering risk for heart disease and stroke. We hope that the public and patients won't be alarmed about these findings and abruptly stop taking their statin medications. But we do believe that the findings should lead to increased vigilance about testing for diabetes in patients who are on statins and that the awareness of this link is important. Patients are aware of it and they are aware of some symptoms of diabetes to look for (increased thirst, increased frequency of urination, blurred vision, etc.) and they may be more likely to report these symptoms to their clinicians and have diabetes diagnosed earlier than it might be otherwise.
We hope this research will stimulate additional studies to understand the mechanisms involved. Is this at the level of the liver, the pancreas, the tissue's response to insulin? We also hope that it will spur development of new statins or new medications that won't be associated with these adverse events. We also hope for research that will indicate ways to minimize or avoid these risks altogether.
For those who advocate even more widespread use of statins -- virtually "putting statins in the water supply" -- these findings give pause and suggest that perhaps if statins are used even more widely in those at lower risk and from very early ages, at some point this increased risk for diabetes could begin to offset some of the benefits of statins, unless new statins are developed without this risk or new medications are found to be of comparable benefit without the increased risk for diabetes.
So, overall, there are some clinical implications, but we definitely do not think that this should lead to abrupt stopping of statin medications. Thank you very much for listening. This is Dr. JoAnn Manson.
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January 9, 2012 (Boston, Massachusetts) � Statin use in postmenopausal women is associated with a significantly increased risk of diabetes mellitus, research shows [1]. New data from the Women's Health Initiative (WHI) hints that the risk of diabetes is higher than suggested by previous studies, with investigators reporting a 48% increased risk of diabetes among the women taking the lipid-lowering medications.
"With this study, what we're seeing is that the risk of diabetes is particularly high in elderly women, and this risk is much larger than was observed in another previous meta-analysis," senior investigator Dr Yunsheng Ma (University of Massachusetts Medical School, Boston) told heartwire . "For doctors treating patients, we would like them to really look at the risk-benefit analysis, especially in different age groups, such as older women."
Annie Culver (Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN), a pharmacist and lead investigator of the study, published online January 9, 2012 in the Archives of Internal Medicine, said that "close monitoring and an individualized risk-versus-benefit assessment is really a good thing, as well as an emphasis on continued lifestyle changes." Culver added that as the population ages, and because these patients have a higher vulnerability to diabetes anyway, monitoring for diabetes in statin-treated patients becomes more important.
"I think the risk [of diabetes] is definitely there for statins," Culver told heartwire , "and I think physicians are probably aware of this risk. I think we now need more information and more research about precisely how this risk translates to different people and different populations."
Previously Published Data on Statins and Diabetes Risk
Recently published data reported by heartwire highlighted the potential risk of diabetes with statin therapy. In June, Dr Kausik Ray (St George's University of London, UK) and colleagues published a meta-analysis of PROVE-IT, A to Z, TNT, IDEAL, and SEARCH--five trials testing high-dose statin therapy--and found a significant increase in risk of diabetes with higher doses of the lipid-lowering drugs. A meta-analysis published in the Lancet in 2010 by Dr Naveed Sattar (University of Glasgow, UK) also showed that statin therapy was associated with a 9% increased risk of diabetes.
In the present study, Culver, Ma, and colleagues analyzed data from the WHI, an analysis that included 153 840 postmenopausal women aged 50�79 years old. Information about statin use was obtained at enrollment and year three; the current analysis includes data up until 2005. At baseline, 7.0% of women were taking statins, with 30% of women taking simvastatin, 27% taking lovastatin, 22% taking pravastatin, 12.5% taking fluvastatin, and 8% taking atorvastatin. During the study period, 10 242 incident cases of diabetes were reported.
In an unadjusted risk model, statin use at baseline was associated with a 71% (95% CI 1.61�1.83) increased risk of diabetes. After adjusting for potential confounding variables, the risk of diabetes associated with statin therapy declined to 48% (95% CI 1.38�1.59). The association was observed for all types of statins.
"The association between diabetes risk and statin therapy was not observed with any one type of statin, and it seems to be a class effect," said Ma.
Subgroup Risk
A significantly increased risk of diabetes was observed in white, Hispanic, and Asian women (an increased risk of 49%, 57%, and 78%, respectively). Among African Americans, who made up 8.3% of the population studied, there was a nonsignificant 18% increased diabetes risk associated with statin use at baseline. Statin use and diabetes risk was also observed in women across a range of body mass indices (BMIs <25.0, 25.0�29.9, and >30.0 kg/m2). Women with the lowest BMI (<25.0 kg/m2), appeared to be at higher risk of diabetes compared with obese women, a finding the investigators speculate is related to phenotype or hormonal differences between the women.
In an editorial [2], Dr Kirsten Johansen (University of California, San Francisco), Editor of the Archives, noted that the increased risk of diabetes in women without CVD has "important implications for the balance of risk and benefit of statins in the setting of primary prevention in which previous meta-analyses show no benefit on all-cause mortality."
Ma agreed, noting to heartwire that statins are used with increasing frequency, including in primary prevention, and--based on the JUPITER trial--in patients with normal LDL cholesterol, but elevated C-reactive protein (>2.0 mg/L). In the present study, baseline statin therapy was associated with a significant 46% and 48% increased risk of diabetes in women with CVD and without CVD, respectively.
Just 7% of women in the WHI study were taking statins in the analysis, but today that number would be significantly higher, making the potential risk of diabetes at the population level much more widespread. Ma said that physicians need to evaluate the risk of diabetes as well as the potential benefits of statin therapy in elderly female patients, and start statins after lifestyle interventions have been attempted.
I was in slug mode the last two days. I did a cameo at the gym and got on the Nautilus Stepmill for 24min of intervals. Rest rate of 60 steps and work rate of 80. HR barely broke 160 at the last work interval so I guess its time to take it up a notch.
On the downside - still fighting the plague I've had for 2+ weeks. On the upside - latest CT shows still cancer free, spent about 3 hours splitting and stacking firewood, did some yardwork, went fishing, been able to start shooting one of my heavier recurve bows, and "ran" intervals this morning. Its been a good couple days.
Saw a trainer on Saturday, she gave me some new stuff to do with lower body to recruit more glute. Yesterday was a 3-mile death march in a blizzard of horizontal snow. It was so bad, I not only sprouted snot-cicles, but eyebrow-cicles too.
Had a nice clean PR this week at 286, getting pretty close to my 1.5 BW goal, and was feeling pretty good about myself.
Then yesterday I watched a guy a handful of pounds heavier than I (a 94 k lifter) clean and jerk 401 lbs. Keeps things in perspective!
Congrats on the PR! If, and that's a big IF, I could clean that much I'd be at 1.0 BW... I'm guessing that guy'd have no problem shrugging into a pack with anything the pack could hold. That's an impressive C&J.
Lots of progress showing up on this thread. Good to see!
Been buried at work and busy in the gym for the last couple months. Making progress slowly but surely. Gotta by honest though, good weather and nice trails are sure going to be a welcome change from the treadmill.
Last week: 3 runs for 10 miles, 1 elliptical session, 1 strength session, and 1 swim session. Diet: Clean but sparse... so busy I am forgetting to eat on time.
Workout: 5 Rounds for time 35# Kettle Bell Swings - 21 reps Double Unders - 40 reps
15:04
Pretty happy with todays workout. The 100# swings were a trip! Keeping one's balance with 100# swinging overhead is pretty important... Need to get better I double unders. I can only do them by alternating with singles. So, for me 200 doubles requires about an addition 200-250 singles.
Light kettlebell and stretching workout at home before work.
Then another during lunch at work.
Sets of:
Swings-goblet squats-arm curls-planks. As many as each you can do in 30seconds. Total of 4 sets, with a minute break between sets. Planks where one minute.
Finished it of with two sets of kettle bell two armed press and 4x25 pushups
Concept2: Easy 35minute row while watching the Penguins.
Afraid to count chickens, but the glut was great today, when the glut is good the knee is good. I'm beginning to appreciate the necessity for having light days to allow for some repair time.
In public places you walk to the john. A little strutting is permitted if some good looking girls are present, but trotting sends the wrong message....
Especially if the good lookers are....we'll you get it.
In public places you walk to the john. A little strutting is permitted if some good looking girls are present, but trotting sends the wrong message....
Especially if the good lookers are....we'll you get it.
Well, the key is, you can't trot bow-legged.
Game went into OT, so multiple curls were performed.
Almost forgot, did lower body/core yesterday, will do upper body today.
Yesterday: 5 rounds for reps: Overhead Sledgehammer swings, 1min Farmers Carry 70#, 30', 1 min Row for Calorie, 1 min Knees to Elbow, 1 min Rest, 1 min
I got in 366 reps. Subbed in hanging knee raises as I can't do a full K2E.
50 ft of Walking Lunges with barbell on back. Walk back to start point. At no point does the barbell touch the ground until after rounds 3 7 and 9. After Round Three Seven and Nine 7 Turkish Get Ups 1.5 Pood.
The WOD represents 14 stations of the Cross with the three times Jesus fell to the ground.
34:00
I only got through 5 rounds before I had to get to work. Much harder than I thought. Lunges and squat cleans were killers.
Did 3 miles with a moderate load in my new Paradox pack. I like the pack. My glutes and hips muscles staged a revolt so I had to stop and dump five or six pounds of water midway, but it was good to get out with the new pack. Now I know what I need to work on.
I completed it and wasn't the slowest in the class. That said, the times are very unipressive. I'd use the excuse that it was a down and back that slowed me down, but I think folks here wouldn't buy that...
Pointer, a little "old man" advice on high-rep repeat short runs. Sandbag the first two or three slightly, sort of a "hard" warmup, before you go for broke on the rest of them. Pulling a muscle not only hurts like hell, it sabatoges your fitness gains.
Thanks for the advice. We were pretty warmed up, I just didn't want to type it up. Did a bit of ankle work to start with as it's a chitty parking lot with lots of potholes and loose gravel. I jogged it a few times prior to starting the workout.
Made up my own routine during lunch. Lots of chest, curls, kettle bell swings, standing dumbbell press and rollouts. Then an hour of yard work this evening which was a good bit of bending, so I'll call it stretches.
Penquins are trying to blow another, so I may get in the boat and watch.
Jeez, if we're gonna mention yard work I hafta go back and revise all my posts, I've been a yard-workin' fool the past month. Planted a few shrubs.yesterday, and continued with thatching and top-dressing the lawn.
Jeez, if we're gonna mention yard work I hafta go back and revise all my posts, I've been a yard-workin' fool the past month. Planted a few shrubs.yesterday, and continued with thatching and top-dressing the lawn.
That sort of schidt is referred to as "activities of daily living" not a workout.
Well, if you plant shrubs in hard ground with trees nearby and lots of roots that need to be chopped, it can be a pretty good workout. Just like splitting wood can be. Best reason there is to have a wood stove.
Well, recently I have developed 'runner's knee' in both of my knees and a Baker's cyst in the right. Cyst is not painful but the knes are very painful, after sitting awhile. I'm looking for suggestions for aerobic exercises I can try to keep my heart/lungs in shape while this condition clears. Swimming is out. Thanks.
Well, recently I have developed 'runner's knee' in both of my knees and a Baker's cyst in the right. Cyst is not painful but the knes are very painful, after sitting awhile. I'm looking for suggestions for aerobic exercises I can try to keep my heart/lungs in shape while this condition clears. Swimming is out. Thanks.
If you are having knee pain from running, it is likely because your running form sucks. IE, you are heel-striking. Proper running form, even for long-distances, can be done barefoot on gentle/smooth terrain. POSE running, Chi-running, "barefoot" running are all quite similar versions of this. I'll bet if you went to a basketball court and ran around it barefoot for a few laps, you'd realize that it didn't hurt, because running without "pillows" strapped to your feet causes you to land on the balls of your feet, using the muscles/fascia of the lower legs as "springs" to cushion the landing. Running is an activity that can really wear on joints, as such, it should NEVER be done on successive days. No one in their right mind would do deadlifts or squats every day. Running is similar, IMO.
As for alternate forms of cardio, a Concept II rower is the only "cardio" machine worth owning, IMO. Good vids on its use at the Crossfit site. Next I'd reccomend a Stairmaster PT7000 Stepmill one or two days each week if you can find one. This is essentially walking up a down escalator. This can induce patellar tendonitis if you over do it, moreso the shorter your legs are, as short people have to flex the knee farther to reach the step height. Pushing or dragging a loaded sled or flipping a 3-400# tire will definetely get your heart pumping.
I'm not a runner. I suspect, since I'm just learning the snatch Olympic lift, a combo of poor form and explosive movement on the knees is proving to be a tad much for these 62yo knees. I was thinking of trying those soleless shoes and will go and take a look today. Thanks for the suggestions.
I'm not a runner. I suspect, since I'm just learning the snatch Olympic lift, a combo of poor form and explosive movement on the knees is proving to be a tad much for these 62yo knees.
You gotta coach for that? Personally I don't see the point of the oly snatch, the power snatch and the power clean develop power that translates better to general athletics, IMO. I believe a person should have done a lot of high-rep overhead squats for many months before they even attempt an oly snatch with any significant weight.
Jeez, if we're gonna mention yard work I hafta go back and revise all my posts, I've been a yard-workin' fool the past month. Planted a few shrubs.yesterday, and continued with thatching and top-dressing the lawn.
That sort of schist is referred to as "activities of daily living" not a workout.
Read the post and I referred to it as stretching. Didn't mentioned it being workout. However, Smokepole is correct in that you can get some great exercise doing some activities of daily living that don't entail picking up iron or throwing your body around in a gym.
Also seen some bust their azz in a yoga class and it is a great workout.
Jeez, if we're gonna mention yard work I hafta go back and revise all my posts, I've been a yard-workin' fool the past month. Planted a few shrubs.yesterday, and continued with thatching and top-dressing the lawn.
That sort of schist is referred to as "activities of daily living" not a workout.
Read the post and I referred to it as stretching. Didn't mentioned it being workout. However, Smokepole is correct in that you can get some great exercise doing some activities of daily living that don't entail picking up iron or throwing your body around in a gym.
You are certainly correct, and just "doing stuff", or rather being able to do so, is or should be a primary motivator to stay fit. What all of this, by itself, does not do, is have a profound affect on all of the body's hormones, and hormones are where its at. To be all you can be, you have to embrace the suck, regularly.
You can definitely get a lot of exercise from "life" activities. The hard part about using them alone is finding a standard of measure, regularity, intensity, measure of improvement, specific focus/demand, etc....
You can definitely get a lot of exercise from "life" activities. The hard part about using them alone is finding a standard of measure, regularity, intensity, measure of improvement, specific focus/demand, etc....
And another big issue is repetative-stress injury from doing the same thing so often, as it often happens in the workplace.
As for alternate forms of cardio, a Concept II rower is the only "cardio" machine worth owning, IMO. Good vids on its use at the Crossfit site. Next I'd reccomend a Stairmaster PT7000 Stepmill one or two days each week if you can find one. This is essentially walking up a down escalator. This can induce patellar tendonitis if you over do it, moreso the shorter your legs are, as short people have to flex the knee farther to reach the step height. Pushing or dragging a loaded sled or flipping a 3-400# tire will definetely get your heart pumping.
If you get bored with your Concept II here's one to spend some time with:
Last week just came back from the yearly finger poke. Part of the deal is a blood test on the testosterone level. I do use Androgel when A: I find myself not liking myself and the world in general for more than a week or so and it does wonders. And B: If a know I'm going to have a long hard couple days. Either physical or stressful.
When I'm getting the blood test I stay off of it for at least two weeks in order to have a representative reading. Last result was 435. Which the Doc says is spectacular for a 70 year old. He is of the opinion without my exercise regime it would be much lower.
Sooooo, it is pretty much proven exercise does boost our Testosterone level and can have a positive effect on mood in the aging male. It also does it via the natural body physiology which is better than any external method.
For most healthy people stressing the body has a positive effect. However, you don't have to be throwing up on a daily basis to achieve the desired result.
For most healthy people stressing the body has a positive effect. However, you don't have to be throwing up on a daily basis to achieve the desired result.
Agreed. Too much of a good thing is, well, too much. I don't puke from workouts, just from flying nap-of-the-earth Overdo it and you'll initiate the wrong hormone's production/release, cortisol. The best way to catch this is to take your resting pulse before you rise. A ten-beat increase from average spells trouble.
You'll eventually get to take you turn in the barrel�.
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Oh, I've been there all right. Complained to the doc, and then he assured me he enjoyed it less than I did. It was only then that I knew it was safe to book another appointment.
That's what they all say. It's called bedside manners.
Once again I will yield to your vast experience in these matters. Do they at least maintain the pretense and tell you it's only their finger, and send flowers after?
There are some areas that even with my advanced years I have no experience with.
However, the ability to read sign-I especially pay attention to sign -may have been a major contributing factor in my being able to avoid unpleasant circumstances.
Sooooo, the only advice I can give you is one hunting men have passed back and forth for centuries. "Watch your top knot"�.
19:09. I could have went quite a bit heavier on the strength deadlifts, but I knew I had many more to do and am taking tomorrow off. I didn't want to be too sore to chase turkeys for 3 days!
Fishing? I know next to nothing about the art-all right, nothing is closer-but that doesn't mean I don't like to fish. Just never had much opportunity. Years ago did a horse back fly fishing trip into the Bob Marshall and fished for a week. N or S Fork of the Flathead. Can't remember which. A Monkey could have done well there. Came home to Pa all fired up: Didn't catch a Trout in about 8 tries. Haaa!!!!
Did a trip out to Crested Butte with a gal back in the late 80's when I still could get a good head of steam up jogging. Sooo, one day I took off for a little R&R jog. The altitude sucked the oxygen right out of me. Went from around 7min here at home to over 11 there. However, was quicker than ever back at home�.for about a week then back to normal.
Thanks, I really do appreciate the offer. Perhaps when I finally decide to quit the work thing completely. Next year???? It's a mental thing with me.
�.That and some of the older nurses still have that nurse thing going on.
It is a plus, but the truth is it was a stroke of blessing and luck.
Anyway, thinking about the Bob Marshall trip slammed something home with regards exercising and living. There were 5 of us. Two are dead from cancer, one has had an infection that pretty much as of now has taken out his legs for the last couple years, one was a big time college football player and his body took a beating that has taken it toll with arthritis. Again, I'm the blessed and lucky one, but I think sensible continuous exercise has played a big part.
A fellow was pulling on the iron machines the other day at the Y. Obviously older and I complimented him at keeping at it. Turns out he is 86. I would have guessed early 70s. I said you are doing great and grabbed his shoulder as I left. He was damn solid.
Had a PM from a fellow Fire member the other day and he threw a couple Shakespeare lines at me and they were good ones. I replied with the one that always stuck with me; "We know what we are, but not what we may be."
Fishing in the mountain lakes and streams can be as complicated or as simple as you want it to be. Sometimes if all I want is fish for dinner, I'll just bring an ultralight spinning rig, a few hooks, split shot, and worms, they are deadly in small streams.
Did cardio today, legs felt good even after carrying the pack yesterday evening. IMHO, that is one of the biggest benefits of working out regularly--I still get fatigued from carrying loads uphill, but it's a whole lot easier to bounce back the next day without sore muscles.
Pretty soon it'll be time for some tune-up weekend excursions, after ice-out.
Was going to take Toby and the pack for a hike today, but it drizzled all day and since I just cleaned the car and truck insides didn't feel like muddying either up.
Did some of those everyday activities and cleaned a couple rooms. Haircut at 6 and will hit the gym tonight. Have a shotgun weekend coming up. Hope the rain takes a break.
I tried Pointer's 36# KB workout awhile ago. 21 turkish getups R-hand 50 swings 21 getups L-hand 50 swings 21 getups R 50 swings 21 getups L
I only got through one round of getups, I didn't have the shoulder strength to stabilize the KB. It crushed my azz. I'll try it with a lighter (26#) KB next time
I didn't have the shoulder strength to stabilize the KB. It crushed my azz. I'll try it with a lighter (26#) KB next time
I've never been strong with overhead stuff. But I don't think that's ever handicapped me for humping a heavy pack in the mtns.
Me neither. I can shoulder press 80% of my bodyweight, which ain't bad but nothing to bragg about, but stabilizing that bell is TOUGH in a high rep turkish get up workout. Core strength and stamina was no issue. I've found a workout that needs doing, a lot.
I have been watching this thread for several weeks and if it is Ok with you guys I may jump in from time to time. I walk my local mountain 4-5 times a week. A 1.5 mi trail to summit with 1050 ft vertical. I am getting fit enough to run the flats and my time to the top has gone from 36 min. to right at 26 min. I am 59 yrs old and knees are my biggest issue. This entire fitness gig started last June when I got a one in a lifetime bighorn sheep tag. I got a nice mature sheep but no world record. I also was successful last Elk season. I was amazed how being in a little better condition made my hunts so much easier to get around in the Mountains. I am staying with it and today I will climb my hill with my new mystery ranch crew cab loaded with about forty lbs. Once I get to the summit (drop the pack) I do 2 set of 25 push ups. I normally do 2 trips to the top for a total of 6 miles and 100 push-ups. takes me under 2 hrs. I go to the Gym but it is not the same as being outside for me.
Did another 3 miles with the Paradox pack this morning. Load is up to 44 lb. Short term goal is to hold my own with my 24 year-old 6'4 gym-rat son when we go for the first fishing trip this summer, up and over the 12,000-ft pass.
I came back from my "workout" things went well. You guys were right the crew cab is a huge difference over the Badlands. The big thing I noticed is I was not constantly readjusting. I had right at 40 lbs with 96 oz. of water I had the dog with me so between us we drank most of that. 40 lbs does not seem like much of a load for the crew cab. My Knee was a little weak after the second trip up but seems fine now. We changed it up a bit and went over the top and down the other side. took another longer trail back from the other direction. Push up were tough on the second summit.
I know it ain't a workout but split and stacked firewood (mostly big oak) for about 4.5 hours today. Swinging the 8lb maul and 12lb sledge has my butt kicked and I'm gonna be sore tomorrow. Sure feels good after last year. Getting stronger every week.
Just saw this thread...I've been working pretty hard for the last year or so...started at 5'11" 285, 40" waist, currently 200, 34" waist. Been doing DDP Yoga exclusively for the last 9 months, going to be adding some intense cardio training ramping up to running Tough Mudder in September.
I tried Pointer's 36# KB workout awhile ago. 21 turkish getups R-hand 50 swings 21 getups L-hand 50 swings 21 getups R 50 swings 21 getups L
I only got through one round of getups, I didn't have the shoulder strength to stabilize the KB. It crushed my azz. I'll try it with a lighter (26#) KB next time
At least once during that workout my off hand all but saved me from a trip to the dentist. When it's stabilized the weights not horrible, but it can get away from you in a hurry!
Workout: Sotts Press 5-5-5-3-3-3-3-1-1-1-1-1 Worked from 45# up through 105#, but couldn't get 115#. We were doing this to help with squat snatch catching. After the workout I was able to get a 135# squat snatch much easier.
Been told to layoff the rower until I strengthen up the middle. So the Nordic track and spinner will be seeing more use.
Get yourself a glute-ham developer to do situps on. Also a pair of those straps to place your upper arms into and do hanging knee raises up to your elbows. When that gets easy, just start doing knees to elbows hanging off of a pullup bar. Do planks with your toes on a 10lb plate and then walk on your hands and drag the plate around the garage. Do Pointer's turkish getup workout. All in all though the best "ab" workout is to get a heavy weight overhead, a lot.
Did a 3-mile loop with the pack last night. Discharged all my ammo (pocket full of rocks) at 6 coyotes who didn't want to vacate the area fast enough. Cardio today.
32 reps. I made it to 5 pullups into the second round. I used a band for the pullups as I'm still long ways from doing those unassisted. Happy with my rowing; 1:34 for the first and 1:49 for the second 500m.
I did about an hour and a half too, with a 40-lb pack, with a dog named Toby. Have you been readin' my mail too? That letter from the IRS was complete BS, by the way.
Didn't feel like going to the gym today, stayed up later and drank more alcohol than I should've last night, watching the hockey game
2 miles in interval run/walk this morning. Knocked another 21 seconds off my pace. Noticed my resting heartrate is dropping from low 90's in Feb to low 60's today. Leg pain from clot was tough for the first mile.
Climbed my hill last night twice. unseasonably warm/low 90s/ 5.8 mi. 2100 ft. elevation gain. 100 push ups (2 sets of 25 at each summit) No time or HR monitor but went as fast as I could. I pushed it pretty hard with no water I probably should have been more careful.
Warmup: Moving new flooring (ie horse mats) at gym.
Skill: Handstand Progressions
Workout: Every minute on the minute for 25 minutes complete the following: Overhead Squat 3 reps, Single kettlebell 1.5 pood Hold a handstand for the remainder of each minute,
Post rounds completed.
I subbed in pushup (plank) positions for the handstand holds. I'm thinking I woulda bonked my noggin had I tried to invert my fat arse that many times. A 53# kettlebell gets heavy after awhile...
Well looks like it was another good week for the 24HCF fitness fiends.
Getting ready to go out for a medium length run myself. Maybe an hour or so if the weather cooperates. Been transitioning back into some more strenuous resistance training after taking some time off to concentrate on getting my running mileage up. Spring is here and it won't be long until we'll be bitching about hot weather messing up our workouts.
Did lower body/core today. Added some exercises to focus on glutes at the suggestion of a trainer. And the whole time, there I was, focused on her glutes.
Gym, Working on lats and pull ups today. Tomorrow climbing the hill with 50lbs 7 miles 2100 ft. 100 push ups. I did this same hike all week with no weight and was pretty tired by the end of the week. Lucky I could sleep in today.
2 mile interval run this morning with stretching and 40 pushups. Run portions getting longer. Leg pain dictated the walks rather than HR for the most part.
28:28. There were more folks than rowers, so I did sumo deadlift highpulls with a 45# bar instead of rowing 1000m as prescribed. Did my first 100 without having to set the bar down and did it in 2:49. Don't think I could row 1000m that fast...
I climbed again last night two round trips to summit total 5.6 mi. 2100 ft gain increased my push-ups to 125. My wife joined me for the first trip it was nice except she kicked my butt. I need help with breathing when taxed, I just get where I am breathing too fast and uncontrolled. I know this would help me Run longer and is preventing me from recovering quicker. Any Tips?
Your present max HR is your engine governor. Hit it and the motor slows down. Training eventually will allow you to do more. Stay smooth and in control.
Intervals are a great training suggestion. Going long every day usually isn't.
Slowing down or even resting before you crash will get you there quicker and less wore down.
Tabatas are a good one. 2 to 1 work/rest interval. Typically 20 sec work/ 10 sec rest 8 repeats if you last that long. The goal is to maintain the same number of reps for each work interval. IE 15 bodyweight squats times eight sets. Squats are easy, I can't do that many sets of pushups or pullups
I've been a gym rat for over 25 years and have the injuries to prove it; two blown discs in the lower back from going too heavy squatting, torn pec, torn labrum in the shoulder, tendonitis in the arms and elbows, etc.
Had shoulder surgery and a discectomy.
Used to lift like a body builder; went heavy as possible and did 16 sets of each muscle group. Very little cardio. Spent 2 and a half hours in the gym 5 to 6 days a week. As I've grown older and smarter, I've changed the workouts up quite a bit.
Now I do something I call "The Deer Hunting Workout" that evolved from realizing how good I felt after a deer hunt. Lots of cardio on a bike during the hunt and climbing.
My workout now was designed to try to still be able to work out without laying completely off because of my existing injuries, aches and pains. It also addresses my New Year's Resolution to spend no more than 1 and a half hours at the gym.
Sooooo....
Three Day Split:
Chest and Back Legs Shoulders and Arms
Chest and Back: 5 minutes of stepmill 1 set Bench Press with appropriate weight to FAIL at 20 reps supersetted with 1 set Rows with same weight and rep requirement 5 minutes of stepmill 1 set Incline Bench supersetted with Lat Pulldowns 5 minutes stepmill 1 set Dumbell Flys supersetted with Dumbell Pullovers 5 minutes stepmill Abs, Hyperextensions, full stretching routine....
Shoulders and Arms: 5 minutes stepmill 1 set Seated Military Press Giantsetted with 1 set Upright Rows and 1 set Dumbell Lateral Raises 5 minutes stepmill Barbell Curls supersetted with Tricep Extensions 5 minutes stepmill Preacher Curls supersetted with Tricep Pushdowns 5 minutes stepmill Concentration Curls supersetted with Tricep Kickbacks Abs, Hyperextensions, stretch
Legs: 5 minutes stepmill Giantset Horizontal Hack Squats with Leg Extensions and Standing Calves 5 minutes stepmill Giantset Leg Press with Leg Curls and Donkey Calves 5 minutes stepmill Giantset Sissy Squats with Straight Legged Dead Lifts and Seated Calves Abs, Hyperextensions, Stretch
All of the exercises above are done with the weight chosen to fail at 20 reps. One set per exercise ONLY to failure. REAL Failure. Leave nothing in the tool box.
The 3 day split repeats on Thursday so that 2 of the workouts repeat in one week if I work out 5 days and take the weekends off to have a little fun
I don't diet whatsoever; I eat anything I want.
6'2" and 210 pounds.
I did diet one time in my life by simply cutting fat out of the diet as completely as possible. Got down to 180 in 3 months with 4% body fat.
When it comes to the Atkins diet or eliminating carbohydrate from my diet, I'm a disbeliever.
RC, that much stepmill in one week would give me a KILLER case of patellar tendonitis. As long as I don't do it more than two days/wk I'm fine with it. I'm five inches shorter that you so that may be part of it.
My buddies and I rode 100 miles on our bicycles yesterday. Furthest I've been so far this year. I got our 90 mile time at 5 hours 16 minutes but didn't get the finish time.
Not bad for three guys, average age about 65 years old! I was the youngest at 58! Used to run a lot, but the legs are pretty banged up anymore. I can still pedal a bike or hike just fine, but running isn't for me.
My buddies and I rode 100 miles on our bicycles yesterday.
Nice work...!
I did that last Friday when I was up in Central Colorado. I rode from Centennial along Cherry Creek all the way to Confluence Park in downtown Denver where Cherry Creek runs into the South Platte River. Drank a big cup of Blond Roast at Starbucks at the R.E.I. store in downtown Denver, and ate a banana. Then I headed north along the South Platte until I picked up Clear Creek and headed west. I rode along Clear Creek all the way to Golden. Ate another banana in downtown Golden, then headed back the same way I came. Ate some Clif Shot Blocks in the Cherry Creek area of Denver coming back. Rode 100 miles. I did it on my 37 pound hybrid with a front shock, a suspension seatpost, and wide tires (it's a Giant Cypress). I was pretty beat up by the time I got back to Centennial.
The bike is extremely comfortable, that's one reason it's so much fun to ride. It doesn't place you in an aggressive stance like a true roadbike does...and the suspension seatpost works great.
I climbed my hill last night 3 mi. 75 push ups instead of 50 at the top. I am loading up some weight 65-70lbs and going for a "walk" Saturday... Looking forward to it.
Did the three miles as planned. Instead of using the Paradox, I loaded up another pack that I'd used last summer and fall with around 45#. The Paradox compares favorably as far as carrying in comfort, I really like the pack.
I went up and down the hill once today 2.8 mi 1050 ft. today with the MR crew cab cut the weight to around 30 lbs as I have a knee bothering me. took it easy had the wife and our dogs along. I did my 100 push ups on top. knee feels better I am glad I did not push it...again
Been away for a bit Turkey hunting and learning some stuff that to me anyway is important. No luck so far with the Turkeys, so to the important.
Probably nothing most don't know, but lifting and carrying heavy stuff has the potential to make us stronger. I know I'm a genius. Appreciate the thought.
Ok, here is the important tidbit. Flexibility. Whatever it takes work at it just as hard. Probably no big deal for the young and middle age group, but the over 50 crowd had better start thinking about it. Squats, a loooot of rowing, running, hiking-with and without a pack-accomplished something other than keeping me going past when many friends have quit. It also gave me some really tight quads. Tight quads gave me back pain, probably contributed to me tearing a glut and made my knees hurt.
After a week of some serious quad stretching done 5 or 6 times per day. Back pain pretty much gone, knees still hurt a little but much better, hip pain getting better by the day.
As they say: FWIW, but I'm going to start paying a lot more attention to flexibility.
What the hell these massive 14inch guns are big enough.
I went to the gym today mostly upper body work out but I did spend a lot more time stretching. I think you guys are on to something. (or been on to something and I am just figuring it out)Really stretched my Hammies and knee pain is better. just better overall. Thanks
I went to the gym today mostly upper body work out but I did spend a lot more time stretching. I think you guys are on to something. (or been on to something and I am just figuring it out)Really stretched my Hammies and knee pain is better. just better overall. Thanks
Don't stretch. Stretching is for "losers". You want to do "proprioceptive neuromuscular facilitation:
Good Point "But when you get all techy nobody cares" That guy has got some great stuff. Do you subscribe to his deal?
Not yet but I'm wading through his book. He put up a "Mobility WOD (workout of the day) on youtube every day for a year. I'm going through a lot of that stuff now.
Man there is a lot of stuff there to "relearn" It all seems to make sense. You gotta feel better if you have been following for a while. I am going to find his book. Thanks
Bought the 'Supple as a Leopard" book I can't wait to get into it. Thanks
Unfortunately flexibility is something the vast majority forget.
I hadn't logged on for awhile but did a hard workout Friday that was from cross fit football.
At the top of each minute you complete: 5 burpees Max rep thrusters at 135 (I did FS only as my shoulder is bad), until the minute is up. You then start the next round with 5 thrusters again. You keep going as long as it takes you to get 100 thrusters/FS. 22:02
Was hard as hell and I thought I would be sore Saturday but I wasn't.
You are correct. The hamstrings are what have been giving me problems and not so much the quads.
I was having knee pain about 20 years ago. The orthopedic surgeon put me up on the table, stretched my leg and said "your hamstrings are too tight."
Then he proceeded to draw a diagram that showed how tight hamstrings prevent your leg from fully extending with each stride, which in turn puts more stress on the patella tendon and lower back.
Did a 3-mile hike in a blizzard yesterday. Located a coyote den.
Yesterday: 5 rounds for time of: 11 back squats, 185 lb. 7 strict burpee pull-ups 400-meter run
29:21
Weight had to start on the ground; clean and press/jerk it overhead to get it into the back squat. That's the most I'd clean, so that was good. I used bands for the burpee pullups as I'm still along way from doing those.
Today: Complete as many rounds as possible in 7 minutes of: 5 Handstand Push Ups 5 Ring Dips 5 Box Jumps, 30″/24″
6 rounds. I reconfirmed, that I am no gymnast and prefer not to spend any time upside down...
Did a "corrective session" with a trainer and then took the pack on a 3 mile hike. I'm working on core strength with the trainer, lower back, glutes, hips, abs. We were doing a series of exercises on the floor, no weights, some static and some not. They all kicked my ass.
PS, either you guys are slackin' off or just losing interest in the thread, hopefully the latter.
I did my climb circuit last night, it was "Muggy" and not much fun. My "supple leopard" book showed up... I have not had time to get into it but it appears to be very informative and I am sure useful tool.
Until just over a month ago, I hadn't lifted consistently in about a year and a half - result of a new kid and a move.
New job has me working 2 on / 2 off rotations, and I'm able to lift at nights after work. It makes for an interesting experiment to see how quickly strength will come back if you've let yourself get to a fully untrained state.
I'm nearing the end of the 2nd work rotation, which basically means I lifted for two weeks, took two weeks off while at home, and am now 10 days into the next two weeks. The last two workouts had me squatting 2 sets of 12 with 225, deadlifting three sets of 5 with 275, cleaning 2 sets of 6 at 185 then another set of 6 at 205, and front squatting 2 sets of 15 at 185.
At the beginning of my first rotation about 40 days ago, I started squatting with just the bar.
Interesting how quickly it comes back, and how good I feel as it does. Still a little ways to go: lose 20 lbs, squat sets of 15 with 225 or 8 with 315, clean sets of 5 with 225, and dead sets of 5 with 375. Betcha I get real close on the lifts next hitch, and after that I'll start working on trimming down.
Follow up,5 weeks hence. I've been working on stretching my hamstring, quad work and knee exercises. The baker's cyst is about gone and the over discomfort in the knee is dissipating every day. "On the mend" I would say.
I did my 6 mile hike today, No pack,no run.(well a little) 2100ft. elevation gain (2 summits and 3 sets of 25 push-ups each summit) for 150 push ups on top when out of breath. I have been doing this for a while now and it is still kicking my ass! I am Getting stronger but maybe not as fast as some other programs. The thing is I really enjoy it. keeps me coming back. I now have my wife going along for the first loop (she is tough and can run like an antelope) Good family fun and I get in shape for hunting.
Still here looking and working out at home. Doing a little Turkey hunting, weights, hiking with the pack and some light jogging. Shotgun season is almost in full swing so that is grabbing some time.
'killer- Enjoying it is the most important part as that means you'll keep doing it! Good work! I'd be hard pressed to do 2100' of gain within an hour of where I live...and that sucks.
The wife and I went up once tonight as I had an appointment later. Made great time up the hill. around 26 min. then stacked up some push-ups 40-30-30 before heading down. felt great. I am going to build a pull up bar here at the house so I can hit it morning and evening. I will get that done this weekend. I want to get where I am doing 20 pull-ups, 100 push-ups,80 sit ups, and run/walk 3 mi. every day, not too far off.That worked for me in the Marines it will work for me again it is just that I am 40 years older.
I did modified rope climbs (ladder, feet on ground) at a 15:1 ratio. I only made it through 3 rounds before the 10 min cuttoff. I either need to get a whole hell of a lot stronger or a whole hell of a lot lighter...
Bench flys: Rep of 15-12-10-10-10-10. Alternated with hex bar squats, same sequence. Moved weight up as I moved thru the sequence. Ended with 40 in each hand on the flys and 140 on the squats. 2 sets.
Then: Close grip bench press: 10-12 reps. Alternated with lat pull downs: 10-12 reps. 125lbs on the close grips and 80lbs on the lats. 4 sets.
Then: Dips to failure: 6. Alternated with low rows to failure. 130lbs on the low machine rows. 4 sets
Entire workout done as fast as possible. Get in and out. Probably about 35minutes total
Went Turkey hunting. Saw two hens and around 15 Deer.
Been out of commission with a chest cold and allergies, it was all I could do to get in my 3-mile walk with the dog on Sunday and Monday. Got back to the gym today, did cardio.
Delt/Leg: 2 sets: Lat pull down then step back lunge: 15-12-10-10-10: Lats: One one machine 110lb and on another 75 was max???? Step back lunge was tough on the right hip muscle that has caused me problems.
4 sets: Leg extensions 10-12 80 pounds. Seated French press: 10-12 80 pounds.
4 Sets: Rope pull downs 10-12 110 pounds on easier machine. Squats with barbell held at chest: 10-12 70 pounds.
I've been riding the bikes - both mtn and road - quite a bit lately. Usually each ride is an hour. Started a circuit I can do about every other day: - wide grip pull ups till failure - assisted with body band - barbell curls 65lb x 10 reps - dips till failure - hanging leg crunche 25 reps - pushups till failure
I try to do this 3x in about 35 minutes. Sometimes I throw in some burpees for more abuse.
Man this thread is showing some of you guys to be real Ironmen. Some impressive workouts and consistent effort on these pages.
I've just completed my usual spring bulk... I can't say it is calculated it just happens every spring like clockwork. After months of running and aerobic work I just feel like lifting some heavy stuff and the muscle comes back.
Heading out to the trails at lunch. Hope to sneak in a 4 or 5 miler before the weekend starts.
Yep, good stuff to see folks hitting it hard. I think I'm going to switch gears and try the 5/3/1 program for a couple of months. Going to incorporate the olympic lifts but aside from that keep it very basic.
Upper body yesterday. Going out for a hike with the dog & pack today.
Edited to add, it felt good carrying the pack today, something must be working. Course, seeing these the other day helped with the motivational aspect......
Workout: "Total" Back Squat - 1rep max Strict Press - 1rep max Deadlift - 1 rep max
We had 15 mins to work up to a max on each lift. I ended up at 365# on squat, 185# on press, and 405# on deadlift for a 955# total. I was hoping for more on the press...
Battue is 23 I think. Those pictures he posts are his grandpa, I'm pretty sure.
Oh, how I wish.
Anyway at a shoot all weekend. Fun time and they had a never ending supply of ice cream. I tried my best to make them run out. Lost 2 pounds. Go figure.
Quick morning workout at the gym with weights then treadmill during lunch at work.
Nice pics. Keep them coming.
Addition: There were some girls at the shoot that make me wish even more. Emm,Emm, Emm!!!!
Nope a few of 2:03 and 04's. Glut tare is starting to feel real good finally and a hard row brings back a twinge, so I've backed off for now.
Hard rowing might need to wait. I just got diagnosed with Piriformis Syndrome. I need to start working the gristle with a lacross ball but have been to lazy to do it regularly. Stuff sucks.
3hrs of the "Bosch Brute" jackhammer followed by hauling a yard of busted concrete to the dumpster. More to come tommorrow. Not exactly a workout but a 350# wheelbarrow will kick your azz.
Probably closer to 1.5yd, a friend had started it yesterday evening. Fiber-mesh is a PITA to bust up. Had to bull-point it into small chunks. If I'm ever unfortunate enough to have to do this again, I'll drill holes on an 18in grid and rent a cart saw. That way I can just pick up small slabs.
Last year I moved to Leavenworth, KS on 23 Jun. Today I ran 5 miles, and completed running 1000 miles in the year I'm here at Leavenworth, in addition to the time spent lifting weights/hiking/biking.
Today I ran 5 miles, and completed running 1000 miles in the year I'm here at Leavenworth, in addition to the time spent lifting weights/hiking/biking.
For longevity's sake, that is, statistically speaking, 250mi/yr more than necessary. Dr. Ken Cooper has reams of data on thousands of men, most of whom are now deceased, that concludes that 15mi/wk is the point of diminishing returns from running. IE, running more will produce a higher level of cardiorespiratory fitness, but will not make you live a day longer.
Since you are most likely a field-grade O in the Army (C&G @ Leavenworth) what you are doing is most likely the proper path, for now, IMO.
Because it was the right thing to do. I'm sure poor Joel was beside himself, awaiting your approval of his regimen. I just wanted to reassure him everything would be OK.
Seriously, there's more than one way to skin this cat. I'd trust a guy knowing what's best for him and his own body as far as exercise. There is no one size fits all answer.
Did 3 1/2 miles with a 50 lb pack this morning. Headed to the gym for a session with the trainer, corrective exercise. I sure hope she doesn't spend the whole session staring at my glutes like last time. It's so humiliating to be objectified by young women like that.
You're paying a girl to look at your glutes? What's next, your feet? Good chance this has only one way to go and it doesn't sound good. Especially when you are also engaging in "corrective" exercises. Dammit get a grip!!!!
Smokey the Bear said it best, so don't be blaming the girl. She is only trying to make a living.
If I was grading your test paper I could only give you a 50%. However if I was coaching baseball and you were on the team you would be batting .500. Hmmmm
Anyway, worked out today at the gym at work. No big deal right? Ahhh but today it was with a Russian female Dr. This gal would put most posters on the workout thread to shame. Great looking, strong, built and a pleasing personality. We did intervals together on the treadmill. I gawked a little and so did she. Great day at the gym.
I'd be careful if I was in your position. Possibly the next thing we will be seeing is your ass on the cover of Mens Health or Muscle and Meathead Magazine. Then stardom and all that goes with it. May even be the impetus for a once a year monthly issue, much the same as the SI Swimsuit edition. Women the world over will be waiting with anticipation. Your name will be spoken in the same breath as the other Titans of muscle. Schwarzenegger, Reeves, Smokepole, etc. Although they were mainly famous for the bulging bicep. Hmmmm�.
Fame can be a bitch. No time for hunting, fishing, camping or the fire. Careful�.
Anyway, its been almost 5 months since the Penquin started this adventure. Report card time. Have gained three pounds, but lost a notch on the belt buckle. I never see my ass. Not sure how it is doing. Guess at my age I should be happy it is still there.
That was good Battue, "Schwarzenegger, Reeves, Smokepole......" We have some of those guys at the gym. I was just thinking, at my age, my joints, ligaments, and tendons couldn't withstand the amount and intensity of exercise needed to even approach that level. And that's if I was willing to put in the work, which I'm not. Luckily, I don't have to.
I really like this trainer. When I told her I was training to carry heavy loads in a pack, she focused on core and gave me a bunch of exercises that don't look very impressive and won't have anybody confusing me with Ah--nold, but I can feel a difference when I carry a pack already.
If I could just get her to quit ogling.
As far as report card, I'm not trying to lose weight, just get in shape for fall. Between the core work and the 2-3 X weekly walks with the pack, I'm feeling better and stronger. Two weekends from now I'll put that to the test in the mountains.
You will do just fine. It's not a race, just one step at a time. Rest pauses are allowed until you reach the destination. As long as there is no extreme discomfort the mind is as important as muscle.
Addition: I no longer concern myself with how fast I get there. However taking the trip still burns bright.
Been a great thread. Thanks to all for the inspiration. Wish more of the over the hill gang would have made a commitment. Have a fellow at the gym who had a stroke and now walks kind of odd. But the journey, work and effort he has made to get where he is today is an amazing story. The guy doesn't know the word quit.
Though I don't post it daily, I'm still interval running and biking 2x+ a week. Runs still suck but I see improvement mostly in heartrate. Biking - I'm up to an hour on the trainer or over an hour outside. Strength training is really showing improvements. Number of pullups, dips, hanging leg raises, burpees, curls are all improving. HR is staying fairly low. Did a little swimming this week too. Weight isn't going up but I'm not losing either which I take as a good thing with all the calories I'm burning. Docs are real happy with my progress and still cancer free.
Did 2.5 hour trail hike with around 35 pounds. My not so magnificent glut decided to have a little conversation with me about that. Just a small one and it has presently decided to shut up for the most part.
Lawnmower hmmm. Went out to cut 3 days ago and the starter decided it wasn't in the mood. Currently in the shop getting a complete going over, which it needed anyhow. Best get it back soon or I will sickle out a path and start charging for a yard maze.
Haven't shot rifles for a spell, so grabbed the .22lr and the .300Savage Montana and visited the range. Layoff hasn't hurt the bench grouping all that bad, but the off-hand at 100 left something to be desired.
I'm working on my new NULA 260. Got some good groups dialed in finally, I tried like heck to get 4350 to work but ended up with 4831 for some really nice groups with a couple different bullets, and good speed. Need to go stretch it out this weekend, hope to visit Huntsman22 and clang his steel.
I'll be mowing regularly now, I fired our lawn guy last week. The wife had hired him so she could get it mowed when I travel, he was mowing every other week and I'd mow every other week.
So it rained the day he normally does the lawn, the grass was wet and tall, but he mowed anyway. And decided not to bag the clippings to boot. Looked like somebody mowed hay on my front yard, so I asked him to bag it, he said they don't do that when it's wet, it clogs the mower, and I said so don't mow when it's wet.
I call the owner, young guy, give him the what for, and he basically tells me they need to mow on their schedule, even if it's wet, and discharge the clippings on the lawn.
I told him he could run his business how he saw fit, and not to come back.
My son and wife argue over who will mow, both want to do it(except the push mowing). My stance is whoever is doing it does it all. Leaves me time to run, ride, or hit the gym.
Well, if I would have shot-didn't because of the downpour-then the recoil of 250 12gauge shells must do something for the neck muscles other than jar your vertebra out of place. But I didn't and I wouldn't have counted it anyway. Too easy. If I was running in the rain I would have.
I got a young hunting partner this year. He has 20 winters and is eager enough that he shouldn't wimp out. While its romantic to take your wife with you, be careful. I am going on two trips. One into a land where you walk in on rocks and alders-the magic kingdom. One into a land of ice and rock-Mordor. Both trips should be awesome.
Jerry- I am going up the West fork again in September, this year. Last year, it was the nastiest, wettest trip up there. My wife hurt her c3 and c4 vertabrae in a stumble and had to have spinal fusion surgery. We had one good day and were under the cathedrals when it cleared up just for an hour.. We just were ready to bust up there when the ram busted us. We saw some small goats but then the weather socked us in and it got really freaky. We had a monster deluge and some of the big boulders the size of dumpsters started rolling. It made it for some real action.
It will be waiting for you when you come back. I know that I am trying to keep Gary flying until I retire and can go up to Mt. George. Its really not that long now. Have a good year.
Did a local 5k today. Was third in my age group of 27 guys [ 60-64 ] with a time of 23:16 and a per mile pace of 7:30 . I was completely spent at the end of the race. Trained hard for the last 8 weeks doing intervals on the track and running the local roads. Felt pretty good when I beat 26 of the 33 guys in the 25-29 age group. Think I did ok for a 64 year old.
Did a local 5k today. Was third in my age group of 27 guys [ 60-64 ] with a time of 23:16 and a per mile pace of 7:30 . I was completely spent at the end of the race. Trained hard for the last 8 weeks doing intervals on the track and running the local roads. Felt pretty good when I beat 26 of the 33 guys in the 25-29 age group. Think I did ok for a 64 year old.
Think it's bad now with groupies? Wait till the paparazzi get in on the scene.
Best invest in a home gym before things go all to hell. You will be sneaking along in the dark timber with the smell of Elk in your nose and bam!!!! Camera flash!!!! Elk gone and all that working out for naught.
Ahhh, the price of fame and pride.
Addition: Last leg workout I posted ended up with a total of 114 reverse leg lunges on each leg. I'm still walking like a duck two days later. The groupies don't even give me a second look.
Finally got my 2 mile interval run pace under 11 minutes at 10:57. Next goal = 10:30. Surprising since we've been on shutdown at work since Friday so not-so-easy 12hr days are the norm.
Finally got my 2 mile interval run pace under 11 minutes at 10:57. Next goal = 10:30. Surprising since we've been on shutdown at work since Friday so not-so-easy 12hr days are the norm.
How much can you deadlift? Can you do a box jump on a 24in box? How many pullups ya got?
hey Coach, chill out. You're talking to a recovering cancer survivor.
That is great news, it also probably means he needs a "coach" even more, as elevated cortisol feeds cancer about like sugar, and about the best way to jack up cortisol levels, short of SFAS or Ranger School, is to run too much.
Can you swim 500 yds, bike 17mi, run 3.1 mi with no break? I can't yet, but I will in August.
You betcha, though my time wouldn't impress you. I wouldn't be crippled the next day though.
About the best training advice anyone can ever offer you is this, if you desire to be truly fit, and everyone should, then whatever you suck at, whatever you dread the most, is what you should be doing. If you can't do one box jump on a two-foot box, that should be what is known as a "clue".
Skinny guys can run, skinny guys, some of them anyway, can do pullups like you (and good for you that you can), but skinny guys dread a heavy barbell, and that is what most of them desperately need.
No-necks who can lift pickups, dread running and doing any sort of real metabolic conditioning. Guess what they need to be doing?
I'm not an advocate of bodybuilding per se, but a lot of the old time greats, who didn't over do steroids and take the Lyle Alzedo route, like Frank Zane for example, still look like studs today as old men.
As for endurance athletes and aging, have you seen Marcus Allen lately? He looks like a meth-head.
Don't run another step, for now. Buy and read Mark Rippetoe's "Starting Strength". Find a coach for the lifts. Then find a Crossfit box and join up and do that for a while. Then add in Crossfit Endurance programming to your training. Your time on a sprint-tri will probably be about the same, but you'll be twice as strong and a better person, husband, and parent.
Oh, BTW, endurance athletes incur several cancers at a MUCH higher rate than even non-exercisers, ask Lance about it. There is a reason for that.
You know what, you don't know me or my workouts or my goals yet you've got all the answers. Never mind all the docs have been telling me about my training, you know better.
You know what, you don't know me or my workouts or my goals yet you've got all the answers. Never mind all the docs have been telling me about my training, you know better.
hey Coach, chill out. You're talking to a recovering cancer survivor.
That is great news, it also probably means he needs a "coach" even more, as elevated cortisol feeds cancer about like sugar, and about the best way to jack up cortisol levels, short of SFAS or Ranger School, is to run too much.
So now you're an expert oncologist giving medical advice online.
Do us all a favor. Rack your brain and try to recall what the subject of this thread is. Then, don't read any books by Mark Rippetoe, or anyone else for that matter. Go backpack hunting, kill a big animal, and tote it out on your back a good distance.
hey Coach, chill out. You're talking to a recovering cancer survivor.
That is great news, it also probably means he needs a "coach" even more, as elevated cortisol feeds cancer about like sugar, and about the best way to jack up cortisol levels, short of SFAS or Ranger School, is to run too much.
So now you're an expert oncologist giving medical advice online.
Do us all a favor. Rack your brain and try to recall what the subject of this thread is. Then, don't read any books by Mark Rippetoe, or anyone else for that matter. Go backpack hunting, kill a big animal, and tote it out on your back a good distance.
Then get back with us.
GFY, then produce ANYTHING of substance that refutes anything I've posted here, and then GFY again.
How about you produce anything of substance that shows you've ever backpack hunted?
And by the way, who the hell are you to get in between a cancer patient and his doctor?
So, as usual, you've got ZILCH to disprove any assertion I've made. This seems to be a pattern for your azz.
While I'm at it, I may as well delve into a little cardiology as well. Several longitudinal studies, over decades, of ranked competitive level cross-country skiers have demonstrated a powerful correlation between world-class aerobic fitness, maintained for prolonged periods, and early onset of atrial fibrillation. This leads to strokes and other maladies. The cancer correlation has been fairly common knowledge in sports medicine circles for at least a decade.
Take a knee: I don't expect this to register with you, but sometimes, the only "right" way to respond to a post like Scott's does not involve giving your opinion or advice, no matter how well-informed you may or may not be.
In other words, I don't care if you're the medical director of Sloan-Kettering, don't be an ass-hole.
Yes, well rounded, strength with endurance is a good RX for health. Too far one way or the other and things get off...etc...etc...etc.... Lot's of ways to get there, sound research, etc... All good points TAK.
The one point that you keep making, that is lost on no one and is beyond refute, is that you are an AZZ.
Take a knee: I don't expect this to register with you, but sometimes, the only "right" way to respond to a post like Scott's does not involve giving your opinion or advice, no matter how well-informed you may or may not be.
In other words, I don't care if you're the medical director of Sloan-Kettering, don't be an ass-hole.
So, if I shout at someone about to step in front of a bus, I'm an azzhole? I'd readily agree that sutlety ain't my strong suit, and maybe I am an azzhole. It is what it is.
So, if I shout at someone about to step in front of a bus, I'm an azzhole?
You're making a huge mistake by assuming that Scott has no competent medical advice from the MD(s) he's been working with. And being insulting in the process by using that analogy. If he had no doctor and was here asking for advice, then giving advice would be appropriate.
But he's not asking for advice. You're putting yourself between him and his doctors, and in the process making the assumption that neither can get by without advice from some unknown stranger on the internet.
And the sad thing is, you don't seem to realize just how arrogant that is.
As a matter of fact, no one here is asking for advice or critiques of their workouts. The purpose of this thread is for people to post what they're doing to get in shape, as a motivational tool. Not to be harped at by some stranger about how they're doing it all wrong.
For backpack hunting, not special forces. And by the way, that was pretty slick how you wedged in the reference to special forces training.
And by the way, that was pretty slick how you wedged in the reference to special forces training.
I do it just for your limp-wristed azz. The fact that it bothers you is YOUR problem. It bothers the hell out of you that you never manned up and joined. Too bad. I regret I didn't do more than I did.
It don't bother me at all. I just like to point out every time you feel the need to introduce the subject when it's totally irrelevant, which is often.
Finally got my 2 mile interval run pace under 11 minutes at 10:57. Next goal = 10:30. Surprising since we've been on shutdown at work since Friday so not-so-easy 12hr days are the norm.
Excellent.
TAK: When someone obviously doesn't care for your advise then leave it be. We all run our own race.
It don't bother me at all. I just like to point out every time you feel the need to introduce the subject when it's totally irrelevant, which is often.
It's called "overcompensation."
That beats the hell out of deep seated feelings of inadequacy, as in your case.
Since I'm accused of ruining threads with my posts, and every time I post ANYTHING, your goofy azz HAS to post a retort to anything and everything I say, what does that say about you?
Grandmother was in her late 80s and blind. My brother who was a hard core biker was visiting and gave her a hug. She felt his beard and asked. "Why the big beard?"
His reply was, "It's to tickle the girls with Grandma." To which she replied, "Your a man, you have something else to tickle the girls with."
Smokepole - no worries. TAK - I think I'll take the advice of those whose credentials include MIT, Penn, UPMC, Harvard, etc. Whose resumes I've read, whose advice has gotten me this far. The only credentials I can gather from your posts are that you spend way too much time on the internet and you have some type of military background. Probably 11B. BTW TAK - its Mark Allen, not Marcus. I'm reading Iron Wars now. Sure he probably looks used up. He and Dave Scott took it to the extreme, not anywhere close to my goals.
Thanks to all. I'm not looking for the spotlight. I check this post to see how everyone's doing, get some ideas to research and possibly throw into my routine, and keep motivated.
AMRAP (rounds) 25 min: Front Squat - 225# - 5 Reps Hanging L-Sit Hold - 10 sec Front Rack Walking Lunge - 155# - 5 reps
1 Rep short of 5 rounds. I was pretty happy with my 1 rep max on Front Squat going up 50# since the last time I did it!
Today: Partner Workout - Row 10K 44:30
Since the kids were with grandparents I did this today with my wife. Fun times. We did 500m then switched. I went out way too fast on my first round, getting in at about 1:32. I paid for that the next 9 rounds...
I've been working on something I might have missed seeing on here before: heat and impact acclimation.
After spending so much time in the gym and on the treadmill I had to get used to the heat and the hardness of the great outdoors. The last couple weeks have been getting me back on my mettle. And a resumption of hill training has been putting a spring in my step.
At this point I have to say that the spring and early summer portion of my training has been a success. I'm getting the weekly mileage in, have continued with the resistance training and am seeing progress there, AND there have been no injuries thus far. The one point of emphasis I need going forward is to step up on my swimming and cross training. I've been allowing that to slip.
Did three miles with the pack this morning in a new area. Found a nice little spring-fed pond for the dog to cool off in along the way. At the end of the hike, there's a fairly steep 40-foot embankment, did 10 quick up-and-downs, that'll get the heart pumping.
75 minute ride on trainer this morning. This is the last day of shutdown so once we run thru all equipment verifying it is ready to run I can get out of here. Hope to get a short hike in this afternoon.
Changed gears and started 5/3/1 today (with addition of Olympic lift).
Cleans...1 min rest between sets Squat (low bar/powerlifting style)...2 min rest between sets DB Lunges...in circuit Cable Abs...in circuit Shrugs...in circuit
Bench - 2 min rest between sets Weighted dips/Pull-ups...circuit 1 (1 min rest between circuits) Shoulder rehab/Neck...circuit 2 (no rest between circuits)
First time I've done a bench press with a bar in years.
For you medical folks.... I had a brachial plexus injury in April. There is still a noticeable weakness in the arm affected by it (when compared to the opposite arm). Any thing specific I can do for it or does it just take a LONG time for the nerve to heal?
JM, my best advice to you is to find a good rehab specialist or trainer who understads injuries and rehab, sign up for 2-3 sessions, learn what you can, and do what they say.
Did cardio today, intervals on stepmill and treadmill for an hour.
Ran yesterday morning with strength training in evening. Bike again this morning and strength this evening. It a lot but good workouts.
Heading to Indian River inlet in DE tomorrow. Plan for a few runs on flat ground for a change, some fishing for stripers, and veg on beach 'kini watchin'.
For you medical folks.... I had a brachial plexus injury in April. There is still a noticeable weakness in the arm affected by it (when compared to the opposite arm). Any thing specific I can do for it or does it just take a LONG time for the nerve to heal?
Get a barbell overhead, a LOT. It took me nearly two years to get full range-of-motion back after a rotator cuff repair. It was nearly a year before I could do dips. Don't give up, but on the other hand don't be stupid either, it something hurts, see somebody about it.
For you medical folks.... I had a brachial plexus injury in April. There is still a noticeable weakness in the arm affected by it (when compared to the opposite arm). Any thing specific I can do for it or does it just take a LONG time for the nerve to heal?
Get a barbell overhead, a LOT. It took me nearly two years to get full range-of-motion back after a rotator cuff repair. It was nearly a year before I could do dips. Don't give up, but on the other hand don't be stupid either, it something hurts, see somebody about it.
I do a lot of overhead lifting, snatches, jerks, presses. There is no pain, just weakness...basically pushing the gas to the floor but the engine is running at half speed on the one side. I did mess up right after the injury and jumped back into lifting to soon. That resulted in a minor shoulder separation but thankfully nothing major.
Took my girls on an overnight hike on the approach trail for the Appalachian Trail this weekend. With side trips to the Len Foote Hike Inn I figure it was about 7 miles day 1, 6.5 miles day 2. Not a really tough hike but a decent workout and gear shakedown. My elliptical at home actually seemed to have me in decent shape.
I did discover that the inserts I used for my Plantar Fasciitis changed the fit of my boot enough that it caused heel blisters, a problem I've never had with my boots. I was also reminded why you need to treat hot spots before they turn into blisters!
I have been reading this thread a bit and several of you guys are pretty serious about your work outs. I don't have time for 2 a days but I like to embrace the burn everyday on my lunch hour. I have changed my training in the last year as I was struggling with being injured from too much running and a weak core. I added TRX training 2-3 times a week and I have been pretty much injury free for the last year. I'm heavier now but I'm Running the longer races just as fast and not much slower in the 5k's.
Not sure if anyone else has mentioned doing TRX in this thread but I'm sold on it. I had all but quit wight training as it was killing my low back and aggravating a torn labrum in my shoulder. I feel like I get most of the benefit of weight lifting with causing aggravation to 45 years of abuse.
SF ODA's are big on the TRX trainers now. It is something they always have with them on deployments as I am told. I don't think you can get super strong using one but you'll develop a strong core for sure and that is mostly what prevents injury.
Anyone who thinks these things are joke, try this:
Don't come down here thinking you can just slosh your schlitz all over the place and overflow one of the nicest one-holers in the country. Aint gonna happen, you can't control your schlitz and M&M's you need to find help�..
30 minutes on the treadmill at work. Now I'm so burned up I'm going to have to get rid of it with 30 minutes on the Concept2.
You're right. Last time it happened, I was standing in a stall taking a leak when a woman walked in. When she saw me, she gasped "sir, this is for women only." Without missing a beat, I replied "so is this, but every now and then I need to run some water through it."
Second week of the 5/3/1. Same as first week except the reps are 3's on the big lifts. Wore a belt for the first time in years on the squats and had forgotten how much easier it makes the lift....
Cleans...1 min rest between sets Squat (low bar/powerlifting style)...1 min rest between sets DB Lunges...in circuit Cable Abs...in circuit Shrugs...in circuit
Bench...1 min rest between sets Weighted Dips...circuit one (1 min rest between rounds) Pullups...circuit one Bar rows...circuit two (no rest between rounds) Shoulder rehab...circuit two Neck...circuit two
I am in admittedly the worst shape I have been in , in a few years, due to several factors. However, I recently knocked out some 20 + mile days in the mountains with pack weights of 30 -40 lbs so it is a start. My times were not very good , 10 hrs or more, but I did some push ups at the end of one day to make up for it
I am in admittedly the worst shape I have been in , in a few years, due to several factors. However, I recently knocked out some 20 + mile days in the mountains with pack weights of 30 -40 lbs so it is a start. My times were not very good , 10 hrs or more, but I did some push ups at the end of one day to make up for it
Here are a few photos
Great pics! What I wouldn't give to be close to country like that with out having to fly or drive for over a day...
Snatches...1 min rest between sets Deadlift...1 min rest between sets Front Squat...in circuit, 1 minute rest between rounds of circuit Static Abs...in circuit Bar Shrugs...in circuit
Milt/Shoulder Press...1 min rest between sets DB Incline...in circuit one, 1 minute rest between rounds of circuit DB Rows...in circuit one Shoulder rehab...in circuit two Neck...in circuit two
Last Friday: 6 rounds for time: 24 squats 24 pushups 24 walking lunges Run 400m
32:39
Today: 5 rounds for time: Shoulder to Overhead 165# - 2 reps Back Squat 165# - 2 Reps Power Clean 165# - 7 reps Deadlift 165# - 14 reps
22:04. I did the first two rounds at 185# as prescribed, but the cleans were getting and going to get the best of me. So, I dropped 20# and went on. Tougher workout than I expected.
Third week of the 5/3/1. The reps are 5/3/1 on the big lifts.
Cleans...1 min rest between sets Squat (low bar/powerlifting style)...1 min rest between sets DB Lunges...in circuit Cable Abs...in circuit Shrugs...in circuit
Did lower body/core today, have a tweak in my foot ankle that kept me from doing box jumps, hoping it's temporary. Going on a 2-3 day trip this weekend with my son.
Still doing the biking and running. Going to back the strength training down to 2 days a week and add swimming and more hiking. Also more shooting my bow getting ready for MT in Sept chasing elk.
Bench...1 min rest between sets Weighted dips...in circuit one, 1 minute rest between rounds of circuit Chins...in circuit one Shoulder rehab...in circuit two, no rest between rounds of circuit two Neck...in circuit two
It will do one interval and repeat or two different intervals, IE 20 seconds followed by 10 seconds, which is of course a Tabata interval. It can also be set to buzz repeatedly at any fixed interval. It also counts your rounds. When you set it up for one-minute intervals, for a workout like Fight Gone Bad, it buzzes every 30sec, but it only counts rounds on the minute, sort of a half-way warning. Cool product. Mine was $11.99 at the BX.
Thanks for posting it. I've been using a simple countdown timer that I've had for almost 15 years. I mainly use it for rounds when grappling/boxing and use my watch timer when lifting to time the rest periods. The round counter would be nice....
FWIW, there's a lot of pretty cool and effective timer apps for free to use on a smartphone. Mine even lets me set the music to the round!
Workout: 135# Clean & Jerk 30 reps 5:15
2min rest then 6mins to work up to a 1 rep max Clean & Jerk. 205#. I failed at 215#. Pretty happy considering that's a C&J PR for me and doing so while tired!
This week (week 4) is a light/recovery week after the heavy week. Next week will start with a new cycle on 5/3/1.
Cleans...1 min rest between sets Squats...1 min rest between sets Hang Snatches...circuit 1 Machine/cable abs...circuit 1 Shrugs...circuit 1...1 min rest between circuit rounds
3.8 mile interval run this morning. Longest since last spring. Left leg pain slowed me more then high heart rate so endurance is picking up but still contending with weak leg from blood clot last year. Swimming in a few minutes.
3.8 mile interval run this morning. Longest since last spring. Left leg pain slowed me more then high heart rate so endurance is picking up but still contending with weak leg from blood clot last year. Swimming in a few minutes.
I still haven't shed all the blubber I put on last winter but I'm getting closer.
I started a 6 week diet study June 25, on the effects of polyphenols on gut absorption/permeability and they regulate my diet (I get fed 3x daily, just like a lab rat) to maintain my weight within 2 lbs start to finish so I cut the cardio in half and started lifting heavy. Today was 30 minutes "manual" on level 15 with the LifeFitness elliptical then deadlifts, dumbbell skull crushers and weighted horizontal back extensions.
This week (week 4) is a light/recovery week after the heavy week. Next week will start with a new cycle on 5/3/1.
Cleans...1 min rest between sets Squats...1 min rest between sets Hang Snatches...circuit 1 Machine/cable abs...circuit 1 Shrugs...circuit 1...1 min rest between circuit rounds
Thanks! As you apparently know, Oly lifts can be one heck of a good and FUN workout. I like 'em.
Back in the gym today, did cardio after taking the day off yesterday. Did a tune-up hike this weekend, humped up and over a 12K pass to some lakes. The packs were too light for a good workout, so we loaded up some extra dog food and red wine. Photos are here, scroll to the last post:
A bit tired today so I didn't go as heavy as I'd like and the workout should have been faster. Still think I'll have some sore @ss legs by the morning...
What kinda shoes are you using? I know you do quite a bit of running mixed in. For front/overhead squats, full snatches/cleans, a pair of Olympic lifting shoes are priceless...not something you want to run in though.
A little late to the thread, though I started 5 months ago.
Got my azz handed to me on my nephew's elk hunt I was helping out on last year. Came back from that, and decided there were too few years left to chase elk...at least in the shape I was in, and that it was time to get and stay in shape.
Have been doing P90X3 for 5 months now, 5 to 6 days a week. Eating clean with the exception of a trip to Vegas last week for the old lady's 50th. Mostly chicken, fresh vegies, salads, nuts, and the occasional protein bar. Have hit a fast food joint only twice in 5 months, to pick up a grilled chicken sandwich.
Also doing a day of hiking with weighted pack when I can get it in on the weekends.
Current Stats:
225 (31 lbs down) Body Fat 21% Waist 40 Hips 39 1/2 Total Inches 199 BP 115 /63 / 56 bpm
Three 1/2 months left to go to my boy's elk hunt.
Goals for Nov 1:
200 lbs 12% body fat
Already reached my bp goal (getting to "normal" ranges), but will look forward to more improvement there.
What kinda shoes are you using? I know you do quite a bit of running mixed in. For front/overhead squats, full snatches/cleans, a pair of Olympic lifting shoes are priceless...not something you want to run in though.
I wear some Brooks low drop (4mm) shoes. Sorta their version of Reebok's Nano. Someday I'd love to try a pair of lifting shoes, just gotta quit spending money on kids and hunting first...
What kinda shoes are you using? I know you do quite a bit of running mixed in. For front/overhead squats, full snatches/cleans, a pair of Olympic lifting shoes are priceless...not something you want to run in though.
I wear some Brooks low drop (4mm) shoes. Sorta their version of Reebok's Nano. Someday I'd love to try a pair of lifting shoes, just gotta quit spending money on kids and hunting first...
If you can make the O lifts (full depth) in the low heel that's great and a lifting shoe may not make much difference for you. It makes a HUGE difference for me. For deadlifts, powerlifting/lowbar/box squats, etc I use flat old school Chucks but need the heel for more range of motion with the O lifts/front/overhead squats.
Yesterday was a rush, so I kept if very simple:
Milt press...1 min rest between sets Chain pushups...circuit, 1 min between rounds Ring pullups...circuit
A little late to the thread, though I started 5 months ago.
Got my azz handed to me on my nephew's elk hunt I was helping out on last year. Came back from that, and decided there were too few years left to chase elk...at least in the shape I was in, and that it was time to get and stay in shape.
Have been doing P90X3 for 5 months now, 5 to 6 days a week. Eating clean with the exception of a trip to Vegas last week for the old lady's 50th. Mostly chicken, fresh vegies, salads, nuts, and the occasional protein bar. Have hit a fast food joint only twice in 5 months, to pick up a grilled chicken sandwich.
Also doing a day of hiking with weighted pack when I can get it in on the weekends.
Current Stats:
225 (31 lbs down) Body Fat 21% Waist 40 Hips 39 1/2 Total Inches 199 BP 115 /63 / 56 bpm
Three 1/2 months left to go to my boy's elk hunt.
Goals for Nov 1:
200 lbs 12% body fat
Already reached my bp goal (getting to "normal" ranges), but will look forward to more improvement there.
JCM- I can see where they would probably help. I can get to full depth in the shoes, but notice that the coach/trainer is now wearing lifting shoes. He states they've helped him a bunch and that his PRs jumped just by switching shoes... Someday. And especially if I get serious about moving real weight.
I have to start posting things aside from just my weight training...I'd hate for them to be worthless....
Yesterday: MMA - drilling standup defense/angles. Couple of rounds light sparing/technique. 6 2 min rounds hard grappling. 6 2 min rounds hard standup. 1 min rest between rounds.
Today: Cleans - 1 min rest between sets Squats - 1 min rest between sets Hang snatches - circuit - 1 min rest between circuit rounds Bulgarian 1-legged squats - circuit Cable abs - circuit
I used to train with a Raiders Trainer and an Arena Football team. I also managed a gym on my off days and trained others specifically in nutrition. At my peak I was 250ish and I have been as lean as 6 percent give or take in the 225 range. When gaining or loosing body fat analysis needs to be a part of your weekly routine. The goal is 2 lbs a week gain or loss depending if your dieting or bulking and 1,5 needs to be muscle if bulking and 1.5 needs to be fat if cutting. I would also run sprints and sometimes would get on a treadmill at 20% incline and run 6 miles in a little over 36-40 minutes. The treadmills there go up to 20 percent incline unlike a lot of gyms for larger folks.
That said I have had a pretty severe injury where two discs collapsed and then I was hit by a car crossing a street. The car was doing 45 and I went through/over the windshield. I was fortunate that I am taller and slightly oversized and shattered one leg, some head injuries, broken nose, and some cuts/glass imbedded in my back and face. A few months ago I had what felt like a scab and it turned out to be a piece of glass working it's way out of my ear on the back side.
I am currently 210 and 15 percent fat I bet. My goal is to fully recover from both injuries and do a drop hunt for moose in AK in 2015-16. I am shooting for 2015.
My current short term goal is to regain as much balance and range of motion in my ankle/knee as possible. I suffered from Compartment Syndrome where the injury swells to the point of killing tissue. Both legs had to be sliced and I came hours from loosing them both. Needless to say the surgeon was as quick as he could and as a result I kept my legs but suffered foot drop and nerve damage.
I plan to bulk first since I need to recover the muscle as best I can on the shattered leg/Ti rod side so I can start to walk normally. I plan to hit 230 over the winter and start leaning out in the spring. Ultimately my goal is to be 220-225 at 10%. I know how to get leaner than that but honestly 10 percent is easy to maintain without a lot of extra steps for me. I am naturally not super cut anyway but am lean/skinny so I don't hammer away at the marathon stuff but I know my conditioning will have to be tip top to do the drop hunt so I will lean out more before hand.
The one thing a lot of folks get hung up on is gaining muscle while loosing fat. It is one or the other. If your trying to gain the formula is to eat more than you burn and you can train harder. If trying to loose stop trying to build strength and concentrate on keeping the muscle while shedding fat. You will loose muscle with the fat if going natural it is the basic facts. If your gaining but it is more fat than muscle adjust your diet. When I was training hardcore I would weigh everything and track down to the sugar and cream in my coffee. I once trained my mother who was in her early fifties before her wedding for a month and she dropped twenty pounds and had to have her dress altered twice. Remember the golden rule. There is no such thing as over training only under eating.
When I was running like that the Cardio said my resting heart rate was 32 BPM. The lowest they had ever seen though they see people with heart conditions so I am not surprised. I also have an abnormally large heart with out of proportion chambers so I am needing to go get it rechecked. They said every year and it has been 7 so it is time. I am 32 with a 1 hour commute each way and 3 kids. My goals should be achievable with minimal interruption to the family schedule. Towards the end I will ratchet it up. I need to so I can be sure my back will hold it. Nothing would be worse than putting down a moose and having a back spasm while out there trying to get it back to camp.
If I can help anyone stuck in a rut or with any training nutrition advice please pm me. If I don't have the answer I will get it for you. I have been out of the training world a few years but it used to be my life 7 days a week for a lot of years.
If I can help anyone stuck in a rut or with any training nutrition advice please pm me.
OK, I will take you up on that. What does your typical diet look like when you're training, and how does it change when you're actually in the mountains on a long-ish trip, hauling a backpack?
Grew up in the mountains but this coming trip will be my first long trip hauling a pack. I have some ideas on what I will need and how many calories to consume but we will see if I come back or not. If I am doing a lot of outdoor/hauling stuff my wife makes me some bars with Whey, Iron cut oats, honey, and PB. I think it is a good meal replacement if burning a lot of calories. I am going to go higher on the simple high glycemic carbs during hikes in the mountains. Right now it is tough because I am now living in Raleigh which is about as flat as it gets. Makes it tough to train but as I get stronger I plan to use the Stairs,etc with a weighted pack and take weekend trips to Uwharrie.
My typical training diet for bulking is 5500 calories over 8-9 meals with carb cycling on heavy/light days. 3500 calories to cut spread over the same number of meals. A lot of people get hung up on the types of foods they eat but forget about the timing. If your heavily dependent on Protein to get your nutrition right then Isolate is great post workout due to the rapid rate of absorption but poor before bed because you will go negative when your body is growing the most. Caseinate is a better choice for before bed. I like to go as close to unprocessed as I can now. I used to live on Splenda and instant oats, W100 % whole wheat breads, etc. Now it is Quinoa, Millet, Whole grain Brown Rice, Iron Cut oats, etc. for my carbs. We live off of venison pretty much year round and even my sausage is extra lean with just a little pork shoulder mixed in. I am trying to eat as close to the source as possible meaning as little refinement as I can. It is tough with three kids and a wife that loves pasta/white rice but I do pretty good.
When bulking eating every three hours is key. Olan ahead cook meals and carry a cooler if need be. If you know for whatever reason you are going to eat poorly eat a cup of raw almonds and drink some water before hand. This will help slow down the digestion process. I used to really on cheat meals to speed up my metabolism towards the end when the carb cycling didn't cut it. I no longer think that is a good option and will just go back to increasing a few clean meals to get the spike I want. I went 7 years without cheat meals, alcohol, junk food, etc. Once you get to that point you no longer want junk food and just the smell of greasy food makes you sick to your stomach. I strongly suggest keeping an exact diary of all foods and doing body fat analysis weekly if your trying to figure out your bodies responses. Once you get it figured out if you are just maintaining it gets easier.
I am ju starting again after this longish illness so my body may respond differently since I was laying in a hospital bed so long. From memor because I am at work a typical cutting day looks like this:
Meal 2: Post workout shake 40 grams protein / 60 grams simple carbs (If I am really cutting I may do cardio on an empty stomach first thing and then eat but I prefer not to because I think eating a big meal when you first wake up is crucial to retaining muscle when cutting)
Meal 3: 1 chicken Breast 1/2 cup cooked Broccoli 2 cups of cooked rice
Meal 5: I pack of Tuna / 5-6 oz Salmon half a head of Romaine Grapeseed oil, olive oil, etc. 1 tbs
Meal 6: 6 ounces of Venison 1/2 cup of cooked broccoli 1 tbs olive oil ( sometimes I would substitute Yogurt butter, etc.)
Meal 7: 6 ounces lean meat 1/2 cup of veggies 1 tbs healthy fats or almonds
Meal 8: 40 grams of caseinate raw almonds
Bed
This was when I was cutting and still eating more processed foods. I plan to alter this some but it took me some time to figure out I was not getting enough calories. I went form being stuck at 10 % at 205 +/- to bulking to 250 to leaned out at 225 in 5-6 months with a nutritionist after a few years on my own. A professional was not cheap but it made all the difference in the world Now I see the so called nutritionists and trainers at the gyms and they look like high school kids running a software program like Apex Nutrition just getting a print off and charging insane prices for it. Most people stuck in a rut are either calorie deficient or their timing is off.
Plus if you look at all the diet fads the one thing they have in common is they cut your calories below what you burn. The goal for me when cutting weight is to get 200 calories less a day than I need. I also am careful to not try and make strength gains when dieting. It really is as they say 80 % diet. Look at all the folks you see sweating day in and day out at the gym and a year later they still look the same.
The other big thing if your stuck conditioning is to do sprints. They helped me get a lot faster and still build muscle. The other thing I wish I could afford right now is bouldering. It will work your body in ways you couldn't imagine but the local climbing gyms are super expensive. I have thought about trying to build one in my backyard but just the grabs and holds are pretty pricey. Watch some of the World Bouldering Tournaments and you will see what I mean. Guys swinging on one arm and gliding up the face of rock to catch maybe two fingers on a nub 6 feet up. I went once when I was in the best shape ever and this skinny little kid that worked there put me to shame. I was trying to muscle through it and when your clinging to an expanse with a 1"x1" nub for one foot and nothing for the other with just a few fingers holding you you quickly realize size isn't everything and there are a lot of muscles that are hard to hit when training just at a gym. The way the kid explained it was my arms might be stronger than his but his whole body was stronger than my arms. It is interesting to problem solve through a route and I would spend an hour on one little short distanced which probably seemed boring to top ropers but it was a challenge to me.
One last thing for all the P90Xers etc. Look at HIIT training from 15 + years back and it will look very familiar. I am glad these new catchy training programs are getting attention and helping people get into shape but it is not new. I am open to any of the more experienced back pack hunters who can help me design my training to be less body builder and more conditioning and useful strength. I freely admit I was trained in that size matters and that was the end goal. Now I want to be healthy and conditioned and able to handle the rigors of a 2 week backpack hunt with just the gear in my pack.
The one area I think I need to modify is the size one. I am probably almost as strong and way more useful at 210 o even 205. I have it in my mind to pack a moose alone I need shear strength but maybe not. On soft / loose ground the extra size may be a hinderence. Like I said I freely take any criticisms of my strategy and any suggestions. I may try a Auodad hunt in the spring before hand just to see what kind of shape I am in. I believe some posted here of a diy ranch in Texas.
I am open to any of the more experienced back pack hunters who can help me design my training to be less body builder and more conditioning and useful strength.
Well, in reading your posts above, there's a lot of stuff that seems to apply to body-building, i.e., bulking and cutting.
I'm no expert, but here's my take. For backpacking, you want strength and cardio without unnecessary bulk. Some guys work on losing weight and building strength/stamina leading up to the season, but to my mind it's better to stay in shape year-round than try to work your way into shape. So more of an even-keel approach than bulking followed by cutting fat.
Also, for backpacking you'll want to work on strength in areas that are probably different from body-builder training, focusing on core: lower back, hips, abs, obliques, and legs etc.
One of the things that helps me the most is to just load up a pack and hike off-trail before the season. If you have hills to traverse, so much the better.
It's easy to eat right at home but much harder when the weight of your food becomes a problem.
Those bars your wife makes sound good, if you don't mind sharing the recipe, I'd like to see it, I'm sure others may have good ones to, post 'em up guys.
It is an easy recipe a jar of honey, two cups of Isolate ( I know this is against what I said before but the protein content is about double what whey is in the same scoop, 2 cups of oats, and two cups of Natural PB I believe. I agree my prior history is more BB and sports related. That's why I am adding in Bouldering if I can. Nothing tells you what your capable of like the soreness afterwards. I was in peak shape and went the first time and woke up with weird muscles in my back and legs on fire. I hurt for a week. Usually after training for along time DOMS disappears. The only hang up right now is the gym is something close to 200 bucks a month. I might just try and go once or twice a month for now. If you have the shoes and chalk bag it is cheaper. I don't need a harness so there is some savings there. I still need to get a good pack and also another set of boots. My loggers style RF boots are good for stability but not so much for hiking. I might try the Danner Afghan boots. They seem to be a good value if a returning GI has them in the box in your size. I think I saw them going for about 150 which if they are as good as I have heard is a great value. I hate I missed out on the Kennetrek deal a few months back. I am also thinking that I shoot ten + deer a year here so getting a good pack frame and packing them out would help some. Even if it is less than a mile but back in the swamp. Might be a good workout. I usually take them out on my shoulders or in a quick drag full weight because I hunt the same areas for 3-4 months and don't want to mess up the area. I might try some public land hog hunts in SC with a pack and try camping out there. I may be moving to SC for work anyway. Just want to give myself the best advantage I can. It looks like you are only allowed 50 pounds for a ten day drop hunt for moose.
I am also going to train with a buddy that does some interesting workouts. Befoe my accident I start training with him and he works out for thirty minutes to 45 with no breaks tri setting etc. and his final sets are up to 100 reps. He goes heavy but is a monster. I had always been taught that this type of training is counter productive but I made great gains when doing this. I think this is more on the conditioning side too because when I was really big I did poorly at this type of routine. I will say though that when I was larger I would help some loggers cut firewood and I could lift the larger logs that two of them couldn't and still be clean afterwards. They used to pick on me because I didn't get all covered in dirt but I would do it for ten plus hours a day so maybe I was more conditioned than I thought. I wish I lived somewhere I could go off on hikes for a day or more. Nothing like it back home taking a small pole and chasing brookies all day up in the mountains sometimes 15+ miles from a road.
Bench - 1 min rest between sets Weighted dips - circuit 1...1 min rest between rounds Lats - circuit 1 DB Incline - circuit 2...1 min rest between rounds DB Rows - circuit 2 Neck - 30 seconds rest between sets
I hit calves or more accurately one calve and it almost brought tears to my eyes. The therapist said it has to do with the blood flow and swelling from the pressure. I also squeezed in rear delts and back. Man I am weak these days lol.
Calves: stair raises up on two down on one with bodyweight ( 210 )3 sets of 15 seated calf raises 3 sets of 150x10 Smith raises 90 3 sets of 10 The a limp for a while to walk it off. Not very strong but considering the leg is still shattered and a Ti rod is holding it together not terrible.
Back: Upright rows Wide Grip Chins Mid Row Two Handed Pulldown Rear Shrug to 90 degrees
Not a great workout but for only a few weeks in not terrible. I think I am not going to spring back that fast this time though.
Yesterday: 30 minutes of elliptical 3 sets of 10 for the following bench press lat rows shoulder press lat pulls flies
BUT it isn't all just fun and games in the gym, the dogs and I roll out at 5:00 every morning and take a walk above town. These guys have been around since early spring but I think they may have finally headed up higher.
I trained Quads today or better put my bad quad and obliques. Wanted to hit bis and tris but I was shot afterward. Went t Durham to see a longtime friend and he had to have a home ground burger for lunch so I broke my own rules and had one to. Not a lot of healthy options there and we only get lunch once a year or so. Plan to buckle down this weekend and cook all my meals and start tracking again now that I think I am ok to train all the time.
Seems like a lot of the workouts folks here are doing follow the same routine as BBs. Anyone ever do a 30 -40 minute nonstop workout finished off with a century set? Basically say your training chest, you superset and do let's say sets of twenty each of Incline press with flies and then after three or four sets go right into dumbbell press with and cables, followed by dips and then pec deck, followed by hammer strength for a set of 100. If you get to a spot in the hundred where you can't finish you do partials. When you are to weak to do partials drop ten pounds and keep going. I had a gym nut do this with me once a week for a month rotating the muscle group so the group had a month in between with regular workouts on other parts if that makes sense. I was always taught it would make you lean out more and loose strength. Well I gained weight and got stronger. I attribute it to my body being used to a standard routine. It seems if training for endurance and conditioning this would be a good one as would taking a barbell with say 135 on it and doing a set of 15 military presses in between sets through your whole workout. I haven't tried this but have read of some advanced trainers going to tears trying it. On the earlier workout I mentioned I have to say by the second group of lifts I was looking for the door and I have prided myself on loving to lift and the harder the better. By the end I was pressing something like 45 pounds partially and had nothing left. Same principal as the Dog crap training that was popular or the idea of training heavier than you can lift with a spotter helping when you fail. Going beyond failure is the general idea.
Talked to my brother today and he is doing the WCB training. He said it is making him faster and stronger. I looked at it and I see another powerlifting routine. Maybe I am missing something anyone try it? It looks similar to how I was training with the FB team. He is encouraging me to do box squats again but I am hesitant until I build my core/back and leg more.
Don't know about any of that. But I do know that this evening I did the best workout there is for carrying a loaded pack cross-country, up and down hills.
I carried a loaded pack cross-country, up and down hills.
Today: Snatches..1 min between sets Deadlifts...1 min between sets Hang Cleans...circuit 1...1 min between rounds High bar squats...circuit 1 Hanging leg raises...circuit 1
Smokepole, we have almost everything here in Mayberry. An awesome cafe (a big part of why I have to workout) and a glass house across the street. Shoot, we even have our own stoplight on the highway.
Spent yesterday deploying trail cams, hiking some of the roughest, steepest country around here. A few miles and a couple thousand feet.
Nice, good luck. I wish I lived close enough to my hunting grounds to go up there a lot in the off-season, but I guess that's another advantage of living in Mayberry.
Say hey to Floyd and the boys at the barber shop for me.
2 mile interval run this morning after coming off a cold earlier in the week. Good swim tonight. Only missed 3 planned workouts this week and the ones I did were some of my best to date.
Did "corrective exercises" at the gym, mostly core but also some stretch band exercises for the shoulder and hips.
Prone cobra, leg lifts, diamond leg hold, crossover crunches, back extensions on a Swiss ball, half-vees, and one or two others.
In the evening I carried a 45-lb pack a few miles, then up and down a steep grade right at the end. Felt good carrying the pack, the Paradox fits me very well.
Climbed 1400 feet off trail today to put out a trail cam. Was wishing it could just beam me photos, but it is a cheap model. Will check it in a few weeks and see if the band of brothers has walked by it. Felt kind of tired but climbing deadfalls and loose scree will work on an older guy. Kids and lab puppy experienced no issues.
3 miles with 40lb pack this morning in the hills behind the house. Not what I'll encounter in MT but enough to get heart rate moving. On a positive note, no blisters or even hot spots.
Hurt my self running over a year ago and with PT, lots of stretching, massage and a little yoga finally got over the most of it. However, it wouldn't go completely away and I'm thinking perhaps never will.
The back was acting up more than usual and the quads and hamstrings were always tight no matter what I did. Mornings getting out of bed were kinda funny until I got moving around and stretched some. A light finally came on and I wondered what roll a 15 year old mattress was having on the situation. Sooooo, went out and purchased a new one. After three nights the difference in how I feel made it worth double what I paid.
You young guys need to stop jaggin each other and get serious....
Bench...1 min between sets Weighted dips...circuit 1, 1 min between rounds Pullups...circuit 1 Incline DB...circuit 2, 1 min between rounds DB rows...circuit 2 Neck...circuit 2
Serious? Will after working out for longer than I want to admit, I'll let you in on a secret that took way too long to figure out. Take this stuff serious and it becomes a job. Observe most people in the gym and from the look on their face you would think it was the last place they wanted to be. Trick the mind into it being a game and it becomes more like fun. Seriously!!!!
Anyway, did a legs/triceps evolution along with some stepper time.
Just received a GNC magazine on why fat and not carbs may be the preferred fuel for stamina and endurance. You can probably pick one up at a GNC store if you have one close. E will probably short circuit if he gets his hands on it.
Addition: They didn't promote a single item they sell in the entire article.
Ogling is no big deal, it's the grabbing that gets me�.
Like to see you fight off three or four of those gals when they are determined to get me in the shower. All that soap and suds. You probably know what I mean�. then again probably not�..
Back to our regularly scheduled discussion: 1 hour on the bike trainer this morning 45 min strength training this afternoon 1/2 hour bow shooting this evening
I was just messin' around. No grief intended. The banter between you and Smokepole is good stuff though I sometimes wonder...
Anyway: 2 mile run this morning. Actually have my first run interval up to .85 miles before my first walk. Won't be too long until I can do a continuous mile then build from there. Good swim workout tonight too. Taking the next two day off from workouts or maybe just something light. Gonna try to do a sprint tri on Saturday knowing the run will be slow but just finishing will do for now.
Took the day off today. Except the part where I helped my son move some furniture. I'm glad I don't do that for a living, I'm too old for that stuff. He did buy dinner though, I'll never be too old for that.,
Had a slight setback last evening. I was hiking with the dog and pack on my back, and pulled a muscle in my calf. I felt something pop, with a sharp pain. Iced it, elevated it, and took ibuprofen.
And if the Motrin seems to be helping and the stomach tolerates it, give it at least three or four days of every 4 to 6 hour dosing. Probably best to avoid alcohol while on Motrin.
You tube "the stick" for messaging the leg muscles. Better than a roller in my opinion and fairly easy to stuff one in a pack if one will be doing an overnight.
Had a slight setback last evening. I was hiking with the dog and pack on my back, and pulled a muscle in my calf. I felt something pop, with a sharp pain. Iced it, elevated it, and took ibuprofen.
I'm going to see a trainer today.
What shoes are you wearing? I got into low-heeled stuff several years ago and my lower legs have never been stronger. I won't buy anything that has more than 4mm drop from the heel to the ball of the foot. I can do a five-mile run in such shoes today, that would cripple most heel-strikers if you took their foam running shoes away from them
A new pair of Lowa Renegades, with a custom-molded foot bed for arch support. The renegades have a fairly low heel, I don't like anything with much heel to it, like Kenetreks. They already feel broken in too, I don't think the shoes were the problem.
I think the problem was, my calves were fatigued. I did a pretty hard lower body workout with a lot of lower leg stuff yesterday including some things I don't normally do to work the calves. I almost left the pack at home, my legs were feeling toasty.
Then I heard a little voice in my head say "don't be a pu**y, hunting season is just around the corner."
And if the Motrin seems to be helping and the stomach tolerates it, give it at least three or four days of every 4 to 6 hour dosing. Probably best to avoid alcohol while on Motrin.
Did a sprint triathlon this morning. Didn't stick around for the results, I'll wait until they're online. Did pretty good until the run. Left leg tightened up and made any kind of pace difficult. Finally loosened up with about a mile to go so I could look good crossing the finish
Congrats! Was it your first tri? I did enjoy them the few times I did them. IMO, a fun group of folks doing them. That said, when I went to pick up my packet for my first race, the lady at the table said, "Sir, volunteers sign in over there."...
Thanks. I did this same one 3 years ago. Work prevented me from doing anything in 2012, health issues in 2013. This was one of my goals for this year. Results were posted late last night. I was over 16 minutes slower than last time but close to where I expected to finish based on my training times. Next goal - kill a bull in MT in Sept. Time to switch up the training a little bit. That'll start tomorrow...
Yup, good luck. I did a "triathlon" yesterday too. Walked the dog down to the lake, he swam about a half mile, then mowed the grass. Then drank beer. It was grueling, but I'm going back for more today, although only one event.
10 Calories on the rower 20 burpee box overs, 24″ 30 Cals on the rower 40 burpees 50 box step ups, 24″ 20 burpees 30 Cals on the rower 10 burpee box overs, 24″ 10 Cals on the rower
2 mile run this morning - knocked another 20s off my pace. Running farther, walking less. 2 miles with 45# pack tonight climbing some hills. 40min shooting bow.
Been taking it easy, just a couple of two-mile walks with only a light pack. Leg is still sore, but seems fine.
Battue, I got "the stick" and am using it, a baseball, and a softball to roll the calf muscle, piriformis, and TFL because the trainer said those last two were tight. Also doing calf stretches and a "posterior Bretzel" to stretch the hips.
Just checked out this thread for the first time. You guys are beasts! I'm worn out just reading it. J hits it hard enough for the two of us so does that mean I'm covered?
Did a little cardio yesterday to ease back in. 15 on bike, lots of stretching and rolling, then 15 on stepmill. Leg felt good. Was a little sore after walking on the beach at the lake in the soft sand though.
Just checked out this thread for the first time. You guys are beasts! I'm worn out just reading it. J hits it hard enough for the two of us so does that mean I'm covered?
I hope to be in good enough shape by this fall to give you verbal assistance as you drag our deer out!
Today was: Snatches - 1 min rest between sets Deadlifts - 1 min rest between sets (5/3/1 week) Hang Clean/High bar squat/Static ab circuit - 1 min rest between rounds
Standing Milt press, 1 min rest between sets Elevated feet pushups/Pullups circuit, 1 min rest between rounds Shoulder rehab/neck circuit, 1 min rest between rounds
Took it easy the last two days as I was feeling a little fatigued. Did a 2 mile interval run this morning. Finally able to go over a mile continuously - 1.4 mile before first walk. Another milestone hit.
Jogged around 4miles. Hot and humid so took a couple walk breaks to monitor heart rate recovery. Also the high 70s and humid is hard on a 9 year old black Dog, so the walks also ensured he didn't burn up.
It's my left shoulder, and I'm right-handed. Outfield my a**! I could blow three by you without you seeing the ball.
Thanks for asking though, it's sore. Wakes me up sometimes. I'm getting a cortisone shot a week before hunting season, we'll see how long the relief lasts.
Yesterday Max rep pull uos with 30%BW (used 50lbs) got 8. Max rep chin uos with 30%BW (used 50lbs) got 10. Bis and tris supersets. No conditioning that day as I did plenty the other 3 days.
3 mile hike with 40lb pack on Sat. Lots of hills and mostly off trail. Rest of the weekend was hanging drywall and spreading/seeding/strawing a tandem load of topsoil. Both were good workouts.
Below is the rationale behind all the super-hero related movements for this workout:
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Workout: 3 rounds for time 10 Deadlift 225# 20 Chest to Bar pullups (jumping)
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The failure at 405# was due to me letting my form go as I've done heavier in the past. A bit more than a slight twinge in my back. Plan on chewing some ibepfrofen today and seeing what tomorrow feels like.
Cheated: Didn't do pushups to failure and stopped at 25 with each set. And on the lunges didn't use the bar and just used body weight. Right glut still is weak.
This is one of those years where a pack on my back "doing" the hill behind my house and sets(3) of body squats will have to suffice. And if I had to choose between the two, squats would get 'er done...
Harry, from your posts I never would've guessed you were that young, with no gray hair. You must eat a lot of whole grains.
I had to skip the workout yesterday. Been having lower back pain (muscular) so went in for some PT since hunting season is getting close. The lower back pain didn't stop me from getting a workout in, but the cure sure did. Trigger point therapy using dry needling, hips were too tight. Apparently I had a lot of trigger points in my butt and hip, and the therapist was really good, she found 'em all and stuck me pretty good. I was sore as hell, went home, drank a bunch of water, and crashed.
Pointer, I just added these, how do you think they compare to regular back squats?
I like them for high rep or circuit type works outs as they are fast to get into/out of. They definitely work a different part of your core. I'm still a back squat fan. IMO its about the best lift/movement for most anything.
Just hiked the La Luz. Haven't done it for 30 years and now I remember why.
9 miles and about 4000 feet of elevation gain. Took 5 hours.
"The La Luz Trail (Trail 137) is a popular hiking trail located on the west face of the Sandia Mountains near Albuquerque, New Mexico. The trail begins at the La Luz Trailhead and proceeds approximately eight miles to either Sandia Crest or the Sandia Peak Tramway. The hike is strenuous, with 3,775 ft (1,151 m) of elevation gain and a grade of 12%. The trail allows hikers to view the flora and fauna of four climatic zones and the granite cliffs and spires native to the west face of the Sandia Mountains. "
Must immediately start replenishing electrolytes with Makers Mark.
Lower body/core today. Skaters, box jumps, goblet squats, RDLs, glute machine, hanging leg lifts, side planks with cable pull, back and oblique extensions, and some one-legged stuff on a BOSU for balance.
Workout: Complete as many rounds as possible in 28 minutes of: 115-lb. overhead squats, 9 reps 1 legless rope climb, 15-foot rope, beginning from seated 115-lb. bench presses, 12 reps
5 rounds. I subbed in hand-ladder climbs for the rope ascents at a 15:1 ratio.
Partner workout, so I was not responsible for all the reps.
100 Hang Cleans, 135# 90 Front Rack Walking Lunges, 135# 80 American Kettlebell Swings, 2 pood 70 Back Rack Box Step Ups, 135#; 20″ for all 60 Push Press, 135#
40 mins as that was the time cap and I only posted what we got done.
I went to PT in the morning and had a bunch of needles stuck in my butt and hip, trigger-point therapy using dry needling.
Then did my usual lower-body and core workout in the evening. I was moving slow this morning. Hope to get in an upper body workout this afternoon, and a hike with a loaded pack this evening or tomorrow morning.
Battue, I've been down both roads. I had another PT work on the same problem using pressure points. He used the end of a weighted bar, which digs in better than any roller can. IMHO, trigger point therapy using pressure points comes in second place to dry needling.
Whoa... my original post really didn't make sense. I'll throw the "excessive celebration" flag, and see if I can start over.
I've enjoyed the thread - seeing what you guys were working on prompted the very few workouts that I actually did this year. I was concerned about my physical condition, but actually did really well.
So... in hopes of returning some of the inspiration I've taken from the thread:
Workout: 3 rounds for time of: 185-lb. deadlifts, 32 reps 32 hanging hip touches, alternating arms 800-meter running farmer carry, 15-lb. dumbbells
Only got through 2 rounds + 24 deadlifts before hitting the 25 min. time cap. Could of went heavier on the strength portion, but the back scare recently and having to do 100 more made me a bit cautious.
Started the day out right with a cortisone shot to the shoulder, strategically timed for two weeks before the first hunt (elk/muzzleloader). Then did upper body: pull-ups, chest presses at two different angles, seated row machine (weights, not rower), internal/external shoulder rotations with the cable machine, 2 different dumbell flies for shoulders, cauldrons, Russians, curls.
Been following this thread with some interest. Started exercising and eating healthy at the start of June, have gone from 222 lbs to 193 lbs. Been doing weights and sprints or Insanity/T25 videos. Goal weight is 185 lbs.
This week I started a regimen of pushups and pull-ups/chin-ups with continued sprint work. Saw a special on Herschel Walker that inspired me. Will lift legs once a week for lower body. Going to do this for at least four weeks to see how I look and feel. Curious if any of you fellas have tried a pushup/pull-up program with no other weight work, and if so, what results you had?
Check out Kelly Starrett on youtube for proper form instruction wrt pushups and pullups. Good form is important even when less wt./higher reps are involved.
Finally I was able to run over 2 miles this morning - 2.1 of my 2.5 miles. Average pace was 9m33s. Big improvement from 4-5 months ago when 2 miles was my max distance and pace was 11m and change. Have a 90 bike ride planned tomorrow morning then heading to the camp in Potter to hike the hills with a pack and chill with family. 19 days and a wake up until Montana bound.
That's funny, my dog feels the same way. He loves to help when I'm cutting and trimming. He's like a garbage disposal for the trimmings. Never lets a piece hit the floor.
How much exercise is enough? Lard-azz couch potato or "super-fit" endurance athlete? Both may wind up as cardiac cripples as a result of their respective behavior. A decades long study of Scandinavian X-Country skiers first denoted a direct positive correlation between endurance racing and early onset atrial fibrillation. Not only was this prevalant, it was MOST prevalant in the MOST fit, and moreso the LONGER they raced. Here is more research from Medscape. To see the entire article, you'll likely have to register.
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If you like thinking and writing, few topics are better than the excess exercise and heart disease story. Indeed it is a matter for the curious.
Two studies published last week in the British journal Heart addressed the relationship of exercise and heart disease[1,2]. Although these studies garnered mainstream media attention they added little to what is already known. Namely, that moderate exercise is protective and excessive exercise is detrimental. This has been dubbed the J-curve of exercise. You could also call it�obvious.
I've been to this place so many times, I was going to leave it alone this time.
Two things changed my mind.
One was a series of comments on my Is Atrial Fibrillation Necessary post on theheart.org . The post describes the fact that lifestyle factors, not bad luck, play a central role in atrial fibrillation and its treatment. I believe this research, from scientists in Adelaide Australia, is the most important work in all of electrophysiology.
The Australians are exposing our blind spot. Their findings force us to look at AF as a modifiable acquired disease. Modifiable not with drugs, or freezes, or burns, but with simple lifestyle choices. What we eat, how we sleep, how much weight we carry�these are the things that matter to the health of our atria. What makes the Australian work so compelling is that they connect basic science and physiology to real-world clinical outcomes.
It's important to note that the Adelaide brand of lifestyle intervention is aggressive. They enroll overweight patients in a physician-led clinic where multiple areas of health are addressed. These patients get results. Their weight drops, BP falls, sleep improves, blood sugar decreases, alcohol intake plummets. Through these anti-fibrillatory effects something else happens: they feel better. Go figure.
So, yes, the Australians are reversing AF in a population that is over-indulged.
Many of the readers here are endurance athletes. And when viewed from a distance, athletic people do not appear over-indulged, eg, they are not overweight. This sort of thinking came through in a number of the comments on my THO post.
"There are some skinny normal-BP people with AF and no valvular defect. Lifestyle modification will help many, but not all."
And this one:
"Strange thing is though, a remarkably high level of "super fit" people get Afib too�"
Can you see the intuitive (fast) thinking? That skinny and athletic equates to "healthy." Most doctors, those who don't roll with the athlete crowd, think this way.
I, and most of you, know better. Many, if not most, masters-aged athletes are completely and utterly, micro (last few weeks) and macro (last few decades) over-indulged. We've been at the train-like-Lance-ride-like-Lance game for a lifetime. Exercise is our drug. When we don't race fast, we train more, not less. A brisk 10K run isn't enough, we need to run a marathon, then two, and of course, many, like I once did, move to triathlon. Always more inflammation, not less.
Seems to be the current thinking. However, it doesn't take the individual into account in that some just have a bigger engine. I.E. heart and lungs and subsequently are born for the long run.
The example was driven home years ago with Duffy a Springer, could go all day and never had another Dog make him hit quit and a few tried. Developed a cough and I eventually took him to the Vet who did chest x-rays. He is a cool guy and dedicated hunter. They were thrown up on the screen and he said "Look at this!!!!" "What, something wrong?" "No, his heart and lungs are just huge."
Turns out the cough went away, but the question of why he didn't know quit was answered. Hunted hard and slowed down only little into his 12th year.
10 sprints Saturday morning. Legs yesterday morning, 3 sets of squats, lunges and calf raises with dumbbells. Back to pushups and pull-ups this morning.
I've fallen off the wagon on posting my workouts. Current weekly schedule: Lifting on M/T/Th/F, MMA/grappling on Sunday, boxing on Mon/Wed/Thur, cardio on Tues/Fri. ...will try to get back on the posting wagon soon...
I've fallen off the wagon on posting my workouts. Current weekly schedule: Lifting on M/T/Th/F, MMA/grappling on Sunday, boxing on Mon/Wed/Thur, cardio on Tues/Fri. ...will try to get back on the posting wagon soon...
I do "therapeutic doses" of both. In other words, I only carry enough single malt on my back for a nip or two before bed. Anything more and.......I'm just too old for that sh** any more.
During the WOD, a partner must always be holding a handstand in order for the partner to do the barbell lifts. Also, a partner must hold a barbell in order for the partner to complete the handstand push-ups. The barbell must be held in a dead hang post deadlifts, in a front rack post power cleans, and in an overhead position post snatches.
12:35. I did all of the barbell work as I'm too fat to spend that much time inverted.
Damn pointer, from the sounds of it, you should get paid for that.
It's not so bad. Sorta addictive though. As my posting can attest, I've been pretty regular in the gym since the beginning of the year. However, I'm still a fatty. I'm just a faster, stronger, can go a bit longer fatty! If I could only buy some food willpower...
I have 3 western hunts this fall. I'm interested to see how I do in the hills as this is quite a departure from what I've done in the past for similar type hunts.
Thursday Lift 10,000 lbs using 1Squat,1Press,1DL-as many rounds as it takes. I used 265 Squat, 275 DL, and 95 Press (bad shoulder). Took 16 rounds and 28 min.
Yesterday 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1 KB swings with 70lb. Dumb bell 100m run 10:08-I wanted to do this in less than 10min but failed.
Thursday Lift 10,000 lbs using 1Squat,1Press,1DL-as many rounds as it takes. I used 265 Squat, 275 DL, and 95 Press (bad shoulder). Took 16 rounds and 28 min.
Yesterday 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1 KB swings with 70lb. Dumb bell 100m run 10:08-I wanted to do this in less than 10min but failed.
I like that Thursday workout! May have to give that a go.
Tapered up until last weekend. Rested and packed until today. Heading for Montana after work. 35hr endurance drive to get there then the fun begins. Hopefully I'll be able to post an elk workout similar to Smokepole in a week or two.
Did cardio today. Stepped on the scale, and after five days of no exercise (post hunt) and eating like a hog, I'm still down 4-5 lbs from pre-hunt weight. Best conditioning program there is.......
been doing cardio and push ups mainly. watching the kids from the tread mill. mostly fast pace walk with some jogging on and off to get the heart rate up. 45-60 minutes. speed 3 to 4 mph. incline 4-10. really wish we had one of those stair steppers.
Got back from Montana last nite. Will probably take this week off to recover a bit before hitting it hard again.
I'll do a quick write up for the elk forum but short version - small 5x5 bull with my recurve 3 miles from horses and another 1.5 miles from spike camp
I'd say my condition was adequate but for future will definitely add more strength training. Noticed it in stabilizer muscles from side hilling & crawling over blow downs. Packing meat back to the horses was probably the toughest.
Except for the 33 hour drive, I'm ready to do it again.
Got back from Montana last nite. Will probably take this week off to recover a bit before hitting it hard again.
I'll do a quick write up for the elk forum but short version - small 5x5 bull with my recurve 3 miles from horses and another 1.5 miles from spike camp
I'd say my condition was adequate but for future will definitely add more strength training. Noticed it in stabilizer muscles from side hilling & crawling over blow downs. Packing meat back to the horses was probably the toughest.
Except for the 33 hour drive, I'm ready to do it again.
Every minute on the minute execute the following task. After failure, move directly onto the next movement.
ROW FOR CALORIES Men: Start at 20 cals Increase by 1 cal every minute for as long as you can.
Then,
THRUSTERS Men: 185# Start at 1 rep and increase by 1 rep every minute as long as you can.
Then,
BURPEE OVER THE BAR Men/Women: any style of burpee over the bar may be used. Start at 15 reps and increase by 1 rep for every minute as long as possible.
Post rounds and reps. All extra calories rowed, thrusters completed, and burpees executed are additional reps on top of successful rounds.
Yep, that reminds me of a true story. Battue and smokepole were killed in a plane crash and re-incarnated as dogs. Battue was having a hard time as a dog, so smokepole took him under his wing. So to speak. He was showing Battue the ropes one day, they were trotting down a back alley, and smokepole said "watch this," whereupon he knocked over a trash can and steak bones came spilling out. They chowed down, and battue said "how did you know to knock over that one?" Smokepole said "it's a steakhouse, I used to eat there all the time."
They continued down the alley. Smokepole said "follow me" and ducked under a fence. Inside the yard, there was a French Poodle named Fifi, in heat. Smokepole did his thing, and then Battue had seconds. The only thing sloppy was his performance.
They continued down the alley, where smokepole took a detour and arrived at a fire hydrant. He said "do what I do" then lifted his leg and pissed on the hydrant.
They continued down the alley, but Battue was puzzled. Finally he said "I don't get it, I understand the first two stops, but what was that all about??
So smokepole explained to him "you're a dog now." If you can't eat it or **** it, piss on it."
I also heard that Smokepole was eventually taken in by a hunting man and ran with a fine pack. His only shortcoming was he occassionally barked up the wrong tree....
Had a flu shot four days ago and as usual I reacted with some miserable cold symptoms. They say it is a dead virus and it shouldn't happen. Don't be surprised if it does.
Just finished up a light circuit x 5. Rower: 30minutes last night when I started to feel better.
I don't think I'll ever be underweight based on my BMI. I got dunked in a hydrostatic tank to find out what my body fat is. The results were: Body fat - 11.9% Weight - 167 lbs
It turns out that my height has decreased by almost 2" so I'm slightly overweight based on a BMI of 25.
Are you joking or what? You think "Bar bell" is what they ring when happy hour is about to close.....
Seriously though, glucosamine/chondroitin for arthritic knee and ankle, fish oil, niacin, folate, COQ10 for heart, and a mix of whey protein, orange juice, and glutamine for post workout recovery.
Vitamin D, Vitamin C, a Multi, baby aspirin was every day, then I added the fish oil. Then on Sunday I added the stuff in my post.
The Arginine and Ginseng gave me immediate results. The workout I had yesterday was like 25 years ago, but not as heavy. 15 sets of chest and 45 minutes on the stairs plus abs and Hyperextensions...
I started L-Argenine, 25mg DHEA, and Ginseng on Sunday. I can see a difference immediately
Rick,
If you are hitting the weights relatively hard I would consider getting amino acids from a whey protein shake. That have a good mix of all of them and not just argenine. Downside is the powders can cause constipation for many. Drink a lot of water if you would decide to use the protein powders.
DHEA???? I have a Doc who is up on most of this and believes there are benefits to supplementation for serious exercisers. I asked him about DHEA and he said he didn't think it all that beneficial. FWIW. If you continue on the DHEA probably best to have routine blood work ups.
Lower body/core and then a 3 mile walk yesterday. Today, it'll take all my strength to watch Tom Brady absorb punishment from Von Miller and Demarcus Ware.
First day back in the gym in two weeks. My lungs are sorta, kinda clearing up. However, I did have two coughing fits today that about had me puking. Maybe I just need to work harder on blowing them out...
5 rounds for time: 95# Overhead Squat - 5 reps 95# Power Snatch - 5 reps 95# Overhead Walking Lunge- 5 reps 95# Clean and Jerk - 5 reps
That's only because we're OK with not knowing squat about what we're doing. Especially pointer.
Did cardio today. Hope to do some hiking uphill this weekend; next season's right around the corner.
Very true. I know very litte and just do what I'm told on the days I get to the gym on time. Like today, I didn't make it. So, in a way I worked on my snatch today...
I do as I have no room for equipment at my house. It's a CF "box" (starting to hate the lingo/acronyms) so it's the owners programing and sometimes I think he just makes stuff up so as to not do the WOD. But, he does 2-3 workouts a day; the one he has us do, the WOD, and then something else.
Sometimes I think workouts he makes up are just to mess with me. FWIW, I still hate burpees and he knows it.
I don't think I could stand going to an actual CF gym. Just the youtube videos alone are enough to make a guy gain a few douche bag points after viewing.
That's cool you have one near you though. Must be bearable.
I don't think I could stand going to an actual CF gym. Just the youtube videos alone are enough to make a guy gain a few douche bag points after viewing.
That's cool you have one near you though. Must be bearable.
Travis
This area is littered with them and some are WAY, WAY higher than others in douche bag points. The one I go to is way laid back. The main to selling points to me were, the first class is at 5am and it has a shower. Only way I can go given our schedules.
Did some pull ups, push ups, curls, tri extension, ab work yesterday just to wake the muscles up a little. Can feel it today. Not sore just that I did something. Hope to do some snowshoeing tonight.
I know, but Krystal, Tiffany, and Amber stopped by and wouldn't take no for an answer. We're having post-workout beers now, I hope the girls don't get too tipsy.
You guys have it all wrong, I've been off the pain meds since last Wednesday. It's just that the girls get lascivious when they drink and I wasn't up for a foursome. Feeling better today though.
You are relatively young and I'm sure the fog will gradually lift and the mind will clear.
Beside that there is another condition that you should be aware of. The pain meds and anesthesia can often cause temporary constipation, and you are showing some classic symptoms. My advice would be to make sure you have something on hand to remedy that situation. I.E. colace, senna, Miralax to name a couple.
Bring it up with your Doc. You can thank me later when you are up and running....
Did some pull ups, push ups, curls, tri extension, ab work yesterday. 2 rounds of them this time. Will stick with 2 rounds for the next week or so then bump it up to 3. 75 minutes on the bike tonight.
Looking for a used treadmill. You guys have any make/model suggestions or ones to stay away from?
Did some pull ups, push ups, curls, tri extension, ab work yesterday. 2 rounds of them this time. Will stick with 2 rounds for the next week or so then bump it up to 3. 75 minutes on the bike tonight.
Looking for a used treadmill. You guys have any make/model suggestions or ones to stay away from?
Life Fitness or Star Trac.
Good commercial machines. Bigger motors, longer tracks, heavier built, low maintenance, etc.
Keep an eye on Craig's List.
With a full set of dumbbells and ankle weights you can get quite a variety of workouts - including core and upper body - on a treadmill.
Got in a gym session today, took it easy, did 30 minutes on the step mill and a few light cable exercises with the good arm. Saw a guy who looked just like Battue in there, he was in the water aerobics class.
25 min treadmill intervals, increasing BP up to failure, leg presses sets of 350, curl sets up to failure at 50lbs, back extension sets 115, bunch of crunches, 4x25 Push-ups, some stretching and finished off with 25 min on the stepper.
When the arm is better make an appointment with the eye Doc.
Additions: this hot milf was doing squats and leg splits in front of me. Second time she has made herself obvious. Maybe we will jump in the pool one of these days.
Wouldn't be at all dangerous. She was wearing a natural flotation jacket....
That's not what I meant, it was just getting deep in here.
Scott: No correlation, it's my left arm that's injured and I'm right-handed. Of course, if the right arm had been injured, I'd be fine, variety is the spice of life.
90 minutes on bike trainer last night Strength training tonight
First week back at it went pretty good. Docs ok'd me to quit compression sock on leg I had DVT in 2013. Another milestone though there may be more to this one until it's totally resolved. Still feels a little weird when I work it.
Did some pull ups, push ups, curls, tri extension, ab work yesterday. 2 rounds of them this time. Will stick with 2 rounds for the next week or so then bump it up to 3. 75 minutes on the bike tonight.
Looking for a used treadmill. You guys have any make/model suggestions or ones to stay away from?
I'm with you, the Rocky Balboa/Mike Tyson workout. Some body weight exercises here and there always keeps me in decent enough shape.
Consult with the Penguin, and get back to us. I've just been doing lower body/core stuff, and cardio. And walking in the snow trying to keep up with the dog. Pheasants have been yarded up in the thick stuff so he's been all over 'em and hard to keep up with.
Just went back and read the opening posts in this thread and was amused to remember this:
Originally Posted by smokepole
.....right now I�m recovering from some chronic shoulder problems that might require surgery.
I'll be doing re-hab from the shoulder surgery and trying to keep the cario/lower body/core strength where it needs to be for a mountain hunt this fall.
Increase the number of reps for each movement by 2 (10, 12, 14, etc) every 3 minute interval until you can not complete the rounds. Score is total number of reps.
Made it through round 1 and 1/2 way through round 2 for a total of 60 reps.
In this workout you move from each of five stations after a minute.The clock does not reset or stop between exercises. This is a five-minute round from which a one-minute break is allowed before repeating. On call of �rotate�, the athletes must move to next station immediately for best score. One point is given for each rep, except on the rower where each calorie is one point.
Another 1hr 45min on bike trainer tonight. Its low intensity so it isn't too bad. Backside gets a little sore with that much time in the saddle after a 3 month break.
Next week the intensity picks up but the time decreases to 2 days of 1 hrs and 1 day of 1.5 hrs. Plan I follow is for 6wks. I haven't looked at what follows that.
If you are a lifting novice (e.g.not already squatting twice your bodyweight), focused effort to gain strength requires a simple training plan consisting of squats, deadlifts and presses (bench or standing, alternating each workout). Three hard sets of five of each, three times a week. Increase weight incrementally, each workout (like, 5-10 lbs per workout). No other supplemental lifting is required, but some chinups are allowed. When you start lifting heavier weights, there will be some perfunctory warmup sets at lighter weights required, and these don't count toward your standard three sets of five reps.
This will work if you eat way more food than you think you should, and get lots of sleep. If you let it run its course, you will increase your working sets of five to something along the lines of 1.75x to 2x bodyweight in squat, 1.25x to 1.5x bench press, and 2x deadlift. This can be continued until the linear gains (consistent increase each workout) slow down a bunch, and that won't happen until you hit the numbers above. None of your pants will fit.
This will not work if you do not consume (or wear, in the form of lots of excess fat) lots and lots of food, get less than lots of sleep, or force your body to share resources (e.g. recovery from your little exercises) instead of dedicating all of them to recovery from your strength training.
Litany of Excuses for Not Getting Strong:
1. "Oooooh! I'll get too fat!" No schidt, you will gain fat weight. It burns off nearly as easily as it goes on once you change your strength work to maintenance, change your diet, and add back your little cardio exercises.
2. "I don't want to give up my super-duper-primo cardio conditioning." If you want it back, you can train it back, and it will come back a whole lot more quickly than it took to gain the strength. Maybe your neat little long distance run times suffer a little, but you're now twice as strong or more as you were. Strap a load on and see if you notice a change then.
3. "I walked an NFL linebacker into the ground on a hunt so I don't need to get strong; muscle just gets in the way." You are possessed of unfixable stupid.
4. "Squats are bad for you." You are possessed of profound unfixable stupid.
Other things:
Once you get your body to this level of strength, if you lose lots of it due to training suspension, it comes back VERY QUICKLY without the super duper food needs.
There is absolutely no reason that you can't start tomorrow on this program and make at least 75% of the progress described above in the next six months, well in time to change the diet and develop strength endurance necessary for hunting season.
Don't bother with any of this if you cannot give up the little cardio activities which will interfere with strength progress. You can't train strength endurance until you are strong.
5. I have a torqued knee with ACL reconstruction and a torn meniscus that's mildly arthritic and squats with a barbell are painful and therefore not recommended by a few different trainers I've worked with (professionals), even with an elevated heel.
So I'm stuck with a couple squat machines that don't make my knee hurt, and have to lay off even those from time to time.
Vek - I just was asking for some opinions from people that have used it.
I am looking for something to increase strength lost from medical issues in 2013. Most came back in 2014 now I'm looking to push it a further. Cardio probably suffered the most so I won't be giving that up entirely but I understand that I won't make the strength gains I could if I did give it up. Something more full body strength than what I do now with body weight exercises and a curl bar. This looked to fit the bill.
The 5x5 stuff looks quite the same as what I wrote (stolen from Rippetoe) with a bit more volume. No reason it wouldn't work just the same.
I do think that most everyone benefits in many tangible ways from focused strength training, neglecting cardio stuff as needed for the time duration it takes to get strong. Like I mentioned, the cardio is the easiest to get back. Try getting a larger strength base first before altering training to maintain strength and increase work capacity.
Good one!! Here's a question I've been pondering lately though.
I understand and agree with the need for strength training like you and others have outlined. I also think the best way to get in shape for carrying heavy packs in the mtns is to carry heavy packs in the mtns.
But most of us can't do that as much as we'd like, so we're stuck with the gym. So here's my question: shouldn't the workouts in the gym mimic (as closely as possible) the activity we're training for?
When I read about your workouts and Pointers, I know they're good for building and maintaining strength, but it seems that compared to humping loads in the mountains, they are higher intensity but shorter duration. Humping loads many times seems more like a multi-hour slog that's not as intense.
So my question is, are high-intensity, short duration strength training sessions the best way to train for hauling loads? Seems to me that every now and then, you'd want to work in some sessions that were lower intensity, but 2 hours or so long, to build endurance?
Not to get all theraputic on you, but can you deadlift without pain?
Is your squat movement painful even with very little (bare bar) weight?
What are the credentials of your PTs? Do they squat?
Originally Posted by smokepole
5. I have a torqued knee with ACL reconstruction and a torn meniscus that's mildly arthritic and squats with a barbell are painful and therefore not recommended by a few different trainers I've worked with (professionals), even with an elevated heel.
So I'm stuck with a couple squat machines that don't make my knee hurt, and have to lay off even those from time to time.
They're all professional trainers, some DPTs. some MSs, two have power lifted competitively. Yes, they squat, and it was the first thing they asked me to do.
Sometimes the squat movement is painful with zero weight, like when I do BOSU ball squats between sets on the squat machines.
I can do deadlifts.
I can also do a couple machines, as long as I don't go past about 90 degrees.
PS, I won't be doing anything that requires lifting with both arms for a while, recovering from rotator cuff surgery.
You're not wrong about carrying packs in the mountains. That's the coup de grace of my hunting training, but I do it only in a couple of weeks leading up to hunting season - time sufficient to harden my feet and strengthen my lower legs. That time is also sufficient to get my wind back for the long uphill pull. This is more an issue of convenience than anything - the closest hill to where I live is 20 miles and a long drive away, up here at work the brooks range is quite a ways south.
The big strength puts a few things in your favor. You can generally do more of a given movement, if that movement requires less of your overall strength. This is particularly true when loaded heavy. I think this translates gym time into the long slog, where the hard uphill pull doesn't wear you down because it doesn't require a relatively large part of your overall strength. I don't go into a big hunt cold from a cardio standpoint - see the paragraph above.
You might be a big strong SOB - so I don't know if you will relate to this. I am a fair bit stronger than the average guy, and the gym effort required to squat and clean what I'm doing now leaves me a bit queasy when done. I don't do much else than front squats, deads and standing press one day, back squats, cleans and bench press the alternate. There is a lot of hard work happening. There is a lot of time spent standing around with a very elevated heart rate. It is not comfortable.
I'll stretch the volume a bit as the season nears - sets of 15 instead of 8 for squats. That is *really* uncomfortable.
What little upper body work I do (presses, pullups and chins) is augmented by very strong trapezii and lats from cleaning and deadlifting. Heavy packs (80+ lbs) worn for hours aren't uncomfortable to me, even if I've not worn one for a long time.
Bottom line, IMO the average guy will get more bang for his buck in time spent doing weights and intervals than doing long slow things, but the long slow things have their place in polishing up before the main event. The strength and interval work puts you in position to quickly acquire whatever capacity you might be missing.
Regarding mimicing mountain movements - my next planned acquisition is a prowler.
Originally Posted by smokepole
Good one!! Here's a question I've been pondering lately though.
I understand and agree with the need for strength training like you and others have outlined. I also think the best way to get in shape for carrying heavy packs in the mtns is to carry heavy packs in the mtns.
But most of us can't do that as much as we'd like, so we're stuck with the gym. So here's my question: shouldn't the workouts in the gym mimic (as closely as possible) the activity we're training for?
When I read about your workouts and Pointers, I know they're good for building and maintaining strength, but it seems that compared to humping loads in the mountains, they are higher intensity but shorter duration. Humping loads many times seems more like a multi-hour slog that's not as intense.
So my question is, are high-intensity, short duration strength training sessions the best way to train for hauling loads? Seems to me that every now and then, you'd want to work in some sessions that were lower intensity, but 2 hours or so long, to build endurance?
I don't provide the updates indicating that between each lift day I either set the treadmill at 15% and alternate forward uphill for 4 minutes at 3.5 mph and backward uphill (to mimic going downhill...) at 2 mph for 2 minutes, for about a half hour. Or, I'll run 1/4 mile at 11 or 12 mph on the treadmill, starting every three minutes for a mile.
Bottom line, IMO the average guy will get more bang for his buck in time spent doing weights and intervals than doing long slow things, but the long slow things have their place in polishing up before the main event. The strength and interval work puts you in position to quickly acquire whatever capacity you might be missing.
Makes sense, thanks for taking the time to write that up.
Vek and I are in very different leagues when it comes to strength and strength training. That said, the programming I did helped me tremendously this past fall, even if I did have two cake pack outs. The first way it helped, IMO, is what Vek posted. Something that takes less than full strength you can do longer. Secondly, I felt like the high intensity short duration stuff allows me to recover faster. I think these two things translate very well humping a pack...for ME.
That said to get to Vek's suggested numbers I'd have to get to a 550+ squat and a near 600# deadlift. I'm just too fat. That said I do plan on working more this year on pure strength.
Now to today's cluster of a workout: Every minute on the minute for 6 minutes
5 Muscle-ups OR 5 pullups & 5 ring dips
I got ZERO reps. Jumping or banded pullups weren't allowed today, so I worked as hard as I could to get A, yes 1, pullup and failed...
Also been reading some good books. One by an Alaskan sheep guide who seems to know his stuff. He was talking about going into a hunt with a few lbs. of fat reserves, since he will normally lose 5-10 lbs on a week+ hunt. I would tend to agree because I typically lose 5+ pounds on a good hunt too.
Upshot is, a lot of the stuff you read about workouts that pertains to cutting body fat % may not be a good idea for a week+ hunt in the mountains where you don't have the luxury of unlimited food.
Did that on my first ever elk hunt years ago. Good memories. Will be ready for fall this year, got a few things that need chasing after a long absence.
Good luck on the sheep hunt. On the issue of squats, it seems for me that once I work up to squatting around 185 for 3 sets of 10 reps, hiking uphill gets considerably easier. Coming down with a heavy pack gets easier too. I've never even been in the ballpark of VEK though. Once I get a good squat rack and a good partner, I'll probably take a shot at getting up there.
Squat 8 x 135,185,225,275,315,315 Clean 6 x 135,185,225
That emptied the tank; I'm lying here 2 hours later with a resting heart rate of 80 bpm, usually under 60.
I'll back off on the squats to sets of 12 and 15 at lower weight as I'm getting too old to have 300 freaking lbs on my back. Add in lunges and turn attention to deads and cleans. Use the fuel I blew today on squats to up the intensity a bit and lose some weight.
Squat 8 x 135,185,225,275,315,315 Clean 6 x 135,185,225
That emptied the tank; I'm lying here 2 hours later with a resting heart rate of 80 bpm, usually under 60.
I'll back off on the squats to sets of 12 and 15 at lower weight as I'm getting too old to have 300 freaking lbs on my back. Add in lunges and turn attention to deads and cleans. Use the fuel I blew today on squats to up the intensity a bit and lose some weight.
6'3, 240. Need to lose the spare tire and drop down to 220 (or get stronger at this weight).
Going by Rippetoe's barbell strength standards, for a bodyweight of 220lb, a one-rep squat of 409 puts you in his "advanced" category. 315# for reps means you're mostly likely there now. Impressive. If you can knock out several pullups and run a 5K at a decent (25min or less) time, I'd say you just need to keep doing what you are doing and stay flexible by doing a lot of mobility stuff, PNF stretches and the like. The Prowler thing is probably a smart move, and a rower.
Is it OK if I post on the 2015 Pointer workout thread?
JK pointer. Passed a milestone today, 8 weeks post shoulder surgery and finally I'm starting mild strengthening stuff. Was in a sling immobilized for 6 weeks, then 2 weeks of just passive range-of-motion stuff, now a small bit of active work.
Now that I can swing the arm, I did some box jumps, felt good.
I have started focusing on a Push/Pull/Leg +2 "other" days program, and centering my workouts around Bench press, Dead-lift, and Front Squats as Vek described. I'm pretty skinny and I'm trying to gain some weight and mass, but it's proven to be difficult so far... Sort of a fun process though...
A couple years ago (I was 50 at the time) I read some stuff by Martin Berkhan and decided to give it a try. I got measured every other week in a hydrostatic tank and consistently added muscle mass and decreased body fat.
Essentially it has to do with reverse pyramid supersets where the first set is the max you can get 3 reps then you immediately drop 10% and do 3 more reps, drop 10% and 3 more reps, with no break in between.
I have started focusing on a Push/Pull/Leg +2 "other" days program, and centering my workouts around Bench press, Dead-lift, and Front Squats as Vek described. I'm pretty skinny and I'm trying to gain some weight and mass, but it's proven to be difficult so far... Sort of a fun process though...
Tanner
Rippetoe's Starting Strength program with NO MODIFICATIONS. That also means you must drink one gallon of milk each day. No running. Front squats are not a mass builder, though they are excellent for core strength.
Rippetoe has been getting average joes retard-strong for a generation. Glenn Pendlay has been training pro athletes nearly as long. You can take whatever they say to the bank.
For building strength Vek's stuff is good. Rippetoe's stuff is good. The 5-3-1 program is good. Lots of good strength/mass building programs out there and they all center on big lifts. Squats, deadlifts, heavy presses. I think it's worthwhile to make sure you put a pull in for every push that you do upper body. If you're serious about getting stronger it helps to get bigger. It's hard to stay anabolic and not gain weight...just accept it and do the GOMAD or whatever you need to do to make sure you're taking in more (good/useful) calories than your body needs.
After you've got a solid foundation, I love the olympic lifts (even if you only do them in power form). They aren't mass builders and aren't a true "strength" builder but, in my experience, they are the dividing line between people who can lift some big weights and bad azzes who can really move things.
Rippetoe's Starting Strength program with NO MODIFICATIONS. That also means you must drink one gallon of milk each day.
Tanner, anyone who tells you there's only one way to get in shape for backpack hunting, there can be NO EXCEPTIONS, and you have to drink a gallon of milk a day is either an idiot, a blowhard, or doesn't do much backpack hunting.
Or in this case all three. But I'm pretty sure you knew that.
After you've got a solid foundation, I love the olympic lifts (even if you only do them in power form). They aren't mass builders and aren't a true "strength" builder but, in my experience, they are the dividing line between people who can lift some big weights and bad azzes who can really move things.
I think there's quite a bit of truth in that last statement...
Nothing wrong with GOMAD, if you aren't allergic. Caloric surplus is mandatory for strength increase (generally speaking), unless you are wearing a substantial caloric surplus.
Also mandatory: a deliberate effort made to rest and recover from the training. This means sufficient sleep, and minimizing or eliminating activity that will rob resources needed for recovery. If you are a house framer or drywaller or timber cruiser, that activity may interfere somewhat with your strength increasing efforts, in spite of you being already adapted to your job. The strength work will still be seen by your body as additional stimulus, however, and with sufficient rest and caloric surplus, you'll get stronger and bigger.
As I've harped on before, though, the big problem with strength gain is perception. Folks believe that you'll get all bound up and worthless for a long haul if you dare to put on 30 lbs of muscle or more. Nothing could be farther from the truth. You can't neglect the toughness of your feet when training for hunting. You can only train foot toughness by hiking uneven terrain in your boots. Heels going uphill, balls and toes going down, ankles on sidehill. By the time you've trained to where your feet are tough enough to recover normally (overnight) from a hard hunting day, your "cardio" training has taken care of itself, and you've shed the 20 lbs of fat that hitchhiked aboard with the 30 lbs of muscle last winter when you made a focused effort to get strong.
Vek, what would consider some good middle ground on the subject? For the guy who doesn't want to spend $600 a month on groceries for himself, have access to squatting facilities worth a hoot, and just wants to go hunting and be able to pack out 120lbs?
Rippetoe's Starting Strength program with NO MODIFICATIONS. That also means you must drink one gallon of milk each day.
Tanner, anyone who tells you there's only one way to get in shape for backpack hunting, there can be NO EXCEPTIONS, and you have to drink a gallon of milk a day is either an idiot, a blowhard.
In case you missed it, Tanner didn't say schidt about "getting in shape for hunting", he opined about gaining muscle mass. If you'd like to go on record to say that Mark Rippetoe is clueless about barbell training, then be my guest.
Vek, what would consider some good middle ground on the subject? For the guy who doesn't want to spend $600 a month on groceries for himself, have access to squatting facilities worth a hoot, and just wants to go hunting and be able to pack out 120lbs?
He's told you several times to get Rip's book, or better yet attend one of his classes, get a good barbell and some bumpers. Rouge and others have decent wall-mounted squat/pullup rigs for $500 plus shipping. YOU have access to unlimited amounts of salmon, so protein shouldn't be an issue.
You've also bragged about making 140K+ every year so I would think $1500 for a barbell/bumpers/squat rack shouldn't be an issue.
In case you missed it, Tanner didn't say schidt about "getting in shape for hunting", he opined about gaining muscle mass. If you'd like to go on record to say that Mark Rippetoe is clueless about barbell training, then be my guest.
I never said Rippetoe was clueless, 'tard. And in case you missed it, this whole 150+ page thread is about getting in shape for backpack hunting. I did say you were an idiot, blowhard, and didn't backpack hunt very much. And I'd be willing to wager that even Rippetoe wouldn't say there's only one way to train with NO EXCEPTIONS!!!!
As an aside, his methods apparently aren't working for you. They haven't made you "retard strong" as you put it, just retard smart.
I never said Rippetoe was clueless And I'd be willing to wager that even Rippetoe wouldn't say there's only one way to train with NO EXCEPTIONS!!!!
As an aside, his methods apparently aren't working for you. They haven't made you "retard strong" as you put it, just retard smart.
As is so often the case, you are FOS. Rip's Starting Strength program is 6-8wks, and he is adamant about saying that if you ain't doin' it EXACTLY as he suggests, then you're not doing his program.
As for my strength, I fall into Rip's "intermediate" level for strength standards on all the listed lifts, in spite of being 55yo with 200 jumps. I can still run for distance and do 8-10 pullups. I'll take that.
Rip's Starting Strength program is 6-8wks, and he is adamant about saying that if you ain't doin' it EXACTLY as he suggests, then you're not doing his program.
And does he also say that his program is the only way to train, with NO EXCEPTIONS!!!!???
That was my point, 'tard. Go back and read it again, if you still don't get it I'll draw you a picture.
Rip's Starting Strength program is 6-8wks, and he is adamant about saying that if you ain't doin' it EXACTLY as he suggests, then you're not doing his program.
And does he also say that his program is the only way to train, with NO EXCEPTIONS!!!!???
Yes, he does, for the duration of the brief 6-8wk program, until your strength gains stall. If you didn't understand that distinction I apologize for not spelling it out.
Tactical Response? That's funny as hell, I know when I'm out hunting, tactical response is always my major concern. Never know when I'm gonna have to kick a door down.
Let me see if I've got this straight though. Rippetoe makes his living off promoting his methods. So he's his own best salesman. And you believe him when he says his product is the only way to go. So let me correct myself, he's not an idiot, just a salesman. You're the idiot.
I do give you credit for not posting a jumping out of airplanes video though.
Despite your best efforts, this thread is still about getting in shape for backpack hunting. The most successful HUNTER on this thread posted his routine a few pages back. I didn't see him cite Rippetoe, his methods, or gallons of milk.
Let me see if I've got this straight though. Rippetoe makes his living off promoting his methods. So he's his own best salesman. And you believe him when he says his product is the only way to go. So let me correct myself, he's not an idiot, just a salesman. You're the idiot.
Maybe, but at least I ain't a worn-out gimp that can't squat.
Rippetoe is dead nuts on about building overall muscle mass and getting strong.
That may, or may not, have anything at all to do with backpack hunting.
The most successful backpack hunter I know - and this guy is freakin' ridiculous (25-40 MILES in to hunt at high altitude for sheep, goat, and bear in BC, all on foot, all backpacking, and all packing back out and he does this several times each year), probably goes 6'3" and maybe 220 soaking wet. He's sinewy. rancher/horseman/carpenter strong but probably wouldn't score well on Rippetoe's charts. He's got the track record to back up his ability to hunt, though.
Jason Hairston, another damn good backpack hunter, would probably fall in line with Rippetoe's philosophies (as he's a former NFL linebacker) and score well in his evaluations. He's got the track record to back up his abilities as well.
The trick is to find a program and a system that WORKS and works for the person/agenda in question, and to STICK WITH IT. Rippetoe's system and program works. On that, there's not doubt. There are other systems that work as well, depending upon what you want to do. Picking one, and the right one, and sticking with it is what makes the difference.
The trick is to find a program and a system that WORKS and works for the person/agenda in question, and to STICK WITH IT. Rippetoe's system and program works. On that, there's not doubt. There are other systems that work as well, depending upon what you want to do. Picking one, and the right one, and sticking with it is what makes the difference.
Tanner posted about his attempt to gain muscle, hence my response. I stand by it. Tanner will be a sucessful backpack hunter with or without Rip or anyone else's barbell program. Though he'll be a stronger man with it. He can already do something here that probably no one here can do, including myself, a bar muscle-up.
I doubt EdT ever touches a barbell, and he's hauled out more elk than any poster here.
The fact still remains that a good/smart barbell program will markedly increase functional strength and prevent injury.
I understand that, and don't disagree with any of it.
EdT has probably hauled out more elk than most will ever see.
I just don't get the other associated BS.
I know smokepole to be a damn fine hunter and one worth his salt. He's put a helluva lot of game on the ground and carried it all out. He ain't not gimp, and he ain't no fool. He's an opinionated SOB, but there's a bunch of those.
I don't doubt what you're saying about Rippetoe a whit. Neither, too, do I doubt that there's more than one way to do something.
I know I'm an obstinate bastard at times and won't see through the bravado (my own) on certain issues, but GD this spat is just dumb, and neither party in it is that themselves.
Maybe, but at least I ain't a worn-out gimp that can't squat.
Hilarious. You have it exactly backward. Squats are a means to an end. In this case, backpack hunting in the mountains. I do that every year, and successfully. Meaning I pack out meat.
The fact that arthritis in my knee prevents me from squatting with a barbell just means I have to work out a little differently and deal with it. I did lower body and some core today, three sets each on two different squat machines, hamstring curls, glute machine, straight-leg and bent-leg calf raises, body weight squats on a bosu ball, ankle rotations on the bosu ball, two-legged box jumps, and one-legged box jumps. Back extensions and obliques.
The fact that you place more importance on the means than the end just confirms that you don't do much backpack hunting.
In other words, the fact that you do squats doesn't mean jack.
Maybe, but at least I ain't a worn-out gimp that can't squat.
In other words, the fact that you do squats doesn't mean jack.
Yes, it does. It means I have a functional capacity that you lack, a capacity that is the hallmark of health and fitness. Healthy people can squat, period.
You've stated that several trainers you've hired have advised you to squat. Any advised you to get your damn knee scoped and fixed? I'm curious as to what caused your knee issues in the first place.
When I want advice on "X", I generally know who to listen to here as a subject matter expert. J is one I take seriously on the matter of fitness....others, not so much.
Now, now fellas... Everybody play nice... At least we aren't doing Crossfit... Oh schit, sorry pointer, buddy...grin
Tanner
Tanner, I'm surprised you're out of jail so soon?? I heard a young man from the Vail Valley fitting your description was apprehended after hijacking a milk truck. But that was only after he'd kidnapped a local woman with large mammaries.....
You've stated that several trainers you've hired have advised you to squat. Any advised you to get your damn knee scoped and fixed? I'm curious as to what caused your knee issues in the first place.
Wow, you can not only determine the ONLY workout for someone sight unseen, now you've determined that I'm not healthy and need to see a doctor about my knee. I'm not sure how I made it all these years without your sage advice.
But what makes you think I haven't seen a doctor about my knee? And what makes you think it hasn't been scoped? And why would I rely on the advice of a trainer for a medical issue when my orthopedic surgeon is one of the best in the country?
I tell you what though, I'm really pissed at my doctor right now. He not only told me I'm in excellent health, he completely missed the fact that I need to have my knee fixed. Can you send me your cell #, he's no doubt gonna want to consult with you.
Just wait until I get hold of him. And just wait until the Denver Broncos Football Club gets wind of his ineptitude. He's their team physician, they'll no doubt fire him.
You've stated that several trainers you've hired have advised you to squat. Any advised you to get your damn knee scoped and fixed? I'm curious as to what caused your knee issues in the first place.
But what makes you think I haven't seen a doctor about my knee? And what makes you think it hasn't been scoped? And why would I rely on the advice of a trainer for a medical issue when my orthopedic surgeon is one of the best in the country?
I tell you what though, I'm really pissed at my doctor right now. He not only told me I'm in excellent health, he completely missed the fact that I need to have my knee fixed.
That's because your MD/ortho guy is a "lifeguard". He probably can't squat either. You need a "swim-coach".
I also inquired about your knee, I offered no diagnosis, beyond the fact that if you are unable to squat BECAUSE of your knee, then something is WRONG with said knee.
Since you are an old gray-headed [bleep] now, they will "miss" a lot of health issues in the future, especially when you are too ignorant to realize their importance. Its called geezerville.
Do you also go by "Sherlock?" As in, no s-h-i-t Sherlock?
You have no clue about my doctor, and no clue about me. You don't even know the doctor's name, yet you deride him and call him a "lifeguard" when his job is to get NFL players back on the field as soon as possible, and purport to know what I need.
If you were half as smart as you think you are, you'd be twice as smart as you are.
You have no clue on the conversations I've had with my doctor regarding what I want to be able to do, and what he and his staff have done to help me achieve those goals.
You're a f---ing idiot.
I believe I've said the knee is slightly arthritic; the meniscus was torn as the result of taking a fall on skis and having the binding on one fail to release. Parts of the meniscus had to be removed. My ACL was ruptured and every other major ligament was partially torn; the doctor said the knee was almost dislocated. In fact, he couldn't use the patella tendon as the ACL graft like he normally does because it was "like spaghetti." He had to grab a tendon from the other knee.
I'm probably lucky to still be doing what I'm doing, and good medical care with good training and advice is a huge part of that. I can't do squats with a barbell because that causes pain, but I can do all the stuff I listed earlier, with more weight than most guys half my age. I can do goblet squats with a good amount of weight. I can do box jumps higher than most guys half my age. Given that, only a moron would dwell on the fact that I don't squat with a barbell. Congratulations.
I'm going on a sheep hunt in Alaska this fall, arthritic knee on one side and arthritic ankle on the other. WTF will you be doing?
I'll tell you what you'll be doing. You'll be posting videos of bad-ass tactical dudes with shaved heads and tatoos, and dispensing medical advice over the internet to people you've never seen.
You're f---ing awesome.
But pardon me, I need to go reload some .260 rounds, that's what I'll be shooting on my hunt.
Nothing more pathetic than a grown man (glocktard) running around acting like a fool on this forum. Take A Knee, did you get booted off and that's why are you back as glocktard?
Do you also go by "Sherlock?" As in, no s-h-i-t Sherlock?
You have no clue about my doctor, and no clue about me. You don't even know the doctor's name, yet you deride him and call him a "lifeguard" when his job is to get NFL players back on the field as soon as possible, and purport to know what I need.
If you were half as smart as you think you are, you'd be twice as smart as you are.
You have no clue on the conversations I've had with my doctor regarding what I want to be able to do, and what he and his staff have done to help me achieve those goals.
You're a f---ing idiot.
I believe I've said the knee is slightly arthritic; the meniscus was torn as the result of taking a fall on skis and having the binding on one fail to release. Parts of the meniscus had to be removed. My ACL was ruptured and every other major ligament was partially torn; the doctor said the knee was almost dislocated. In fact, he couldn't use the patella tendon as the ACL graft like he normally does because it was "like spaghetti." He had to grab a tendon from the other knee.
I'm probably lucky to still be doing what I'm doing, and good medical care with good training and advice is a huge part of that. I can't do squats with a barbell because that causes pain, but I can do all the stuff I listed earlier, with more weight than most guys half my age. I can do goblet squats with a good amount of weight. I can do box jumps higher than most guys half my age. Given that, only a moron would dwell on the fact that I don't squat with a barbell. Congratulations.
I'm going on a sheep hunt in Alaska this fall, arthritic knee on one side and arthritic ankle on the other. WTF will you be doing?
I'll tell you what you'll be doing. You'll be posting videos of bad-ass tactical dudes with shaved heads and tatoos, and dispensing medical advice over the internet to people you've never seen.
You're f---ing awesome.
But pardon me, I need to go reload some .260 rounds, that's what I'll be shooting on my hunt.
What will you be shooting? Besides your mouth?
I think I hit his knee nerve. TFF. Good luck on your hunt Smoke. Seriously.
It's tough to replace squats, or work around them. Without knowing what your garage, yard, driveway, lawn, street, basement, shed, barn or greenhouse looks like, or if you have any physical limitations, I'd start with something like this:
Timing: 3 months or more before your charter season starts.
Diet: as much as you can eat for reasonable cost, as often through the day as you can stand. 6 decent meals or so. No particular foods - you'll get enough of what you need for growth (calories, protein, nutrients) so long as you eat relatively normal food. Living where you live and doing what you do, I'd be eating an awful lot of king salmon and mashed potatoes.
Equipment: Barbell and iron weights. Barbell should have raw (non-chromed) finish, light knurling, and ends which are bushed and turn freely with load on them. Weights can be plain iron or fancy rubberized bumpers - doesn't matter. You will eventually need over 300 lbs.
List of no-squat-rack lifts that are worthwhile: 1. Deadlifts 2. Power Cleans 3. Standing Press (clean it up to your shoulders) 4. Front Squat (clean it up to your shoulders) 5. Back squat (up to the weight that you can clean to your shoulders and then herft up over your head, and reverse the process to set down, if you hurt yourself in the process you're using too much weight...) 6. Lunges (see disclaimer for #5 above) 7. Chins (palms toward you)
Start with two alternating routines, and lift three times a week.
Routine 1: Squat 3x5: Start with something you can do easy (45, 65, 95 or 135 lbs) and increase by 5-10 lbs next workout. Deadlift 3x5: Start with something easy (95, 105 or 135 lbs) and increase by 5-10 lbs per workout. Standing press, 3x5: start with something easy and increase 5lb per workout Chins 3x5, add reps as allowed by your strength
Routine 2: Front squat 3x5: (because you'll need to know how to do these once your back squat gets too heavy to lift into position) Deadlift 3x5 Standing press 3x5
In a few weeks or months' time, you will stall out on squats becuase you'll be heavy enough to need a rack. If you don't want to make one or buy one, change routine #1 as follows:
Front squat 3x5 Power Clean 3x5 (start with something easy, increase weight 5 lb per workout) Lunge 3x5 (step forward with weight, and push yourself back to your rear foot, ten reps total per set; five reps per forward leg, alternate forward legs) Standing press 3x5 Chins 3x5
Don't do any other exercise, and get lots of rest. You'll probably have to shift mindset to maintenance once your fishing season starts. Workouts the same, but don't expect any weight increases.
You won't get strong nearly as fast when you remove back squats from the equation. Cleans are started earlier than rippetoe recommends because you need to know how to do them to get your barbell in position for front squats, presses and lunges.
Originally Posted by Calvin
Vek, what would consider some good middle ground on the subject? For the guy who doesn't want to spend $600 a month on groceries for himself, have access to squatting facilities worth a hoot, and just wants to go hunting and be able to pack out 120lbs?
You might find a cheap chi-com barbell with collars that spin well enough to live with. It might break in a month or it might last for many years IF you keep the allen bolts snug in the ends of the collars. The power clean is the only major (non-oly) lift that you need a bar to be able to spin. If the bar doesn't try to spin in your hand when you do a power clean then it'll do. You'll know if it won't post haste.
Iron only can be a problem for a new lifter as only 45lb plates are regulation height (bar aprox nine in off the floor). This creates a dilemma that needlessly places strain on your back bending lower to lift the bar. All bumper plates are the same height regardless of weight
The best value in bumpers are those made by Hi-Temp in Tuscumbia AL from recycled rubber. Damn near indestructable. Even the 10# hold up they say. Last I checked they were $1.80/# plus shipping. Their only downside is they are thicker for a given weight, as such you can run out of room on the bar when and if you reach farm animal status like Vek. You can always mix iron and bumpers for deads as the drop force isn't too severe. I'm using a cheap chinese set of bumpers from Wright but my 10lb er's are about shot.
A happily-spinning bar is pretty necessary for a guy with no squat rack or stands. Every lift that involves taking the bar from the floor to the shoulders or back involves a clean.
The good Lord created lumber scraps for the sole purpose of making small platforms for floor-based lifts using non-regulation-height weights. Or you could just do the lifts with odd-height iron 10s and 25s and not worry about it. I highly doubt a grown man will suffer injury lifting less than 135 lbs from a deeper deadlift position.
I do my cleaning these days with bumper plates because they are available to me, but they are absolutely unnecessary unless you are finding a 1-rep clean or snatch max and are at risk of dropping lots of weight in a place where noise is not welcome. The bulk of my clean and snatch work the last 20 years has been with iron plates. The noise of a couple of 45s on either end freaks people out at the gym, and they stay safely far away by the dumbbells and benches, leaving the squat rack and all the floor space behind it to me. I've not missed and dropped a clean in 16 or so years - at a time where low-rep sets near max weight was needed for training.
I think Crossfit invented bar-dropping from the clean and snatch catch positions at sub-maximal weights, hence the recent interest in such. You used to only see bumper plates at a college athletics gym.
I highly doubt a grown man will suffer injury lifting less than 135 lbs from a deeper deadlift position.
In most cases you are probably right but I'd strongly urge caution. What bar(s) do you prefer? I've had a Pendlay bushing bar for several years that I like. I've seen Yorks in military gyms that were ancient and still spun nicely.
Been working and lurking but not posting. Not really following any established program but mixing it up with the weights and cardio. Kinda what works for me and my schedule and its better than just watching the tube with a pack of oreos. IMO, reasonable shape, mental toughness, and good attitude can make up for some lack of fitness.
For the past 8 months I've been cycling between two weeks of decent diet and hard exercise while away at work, and two weeks of lousy diet and minimal exercise while at home. I'm a bit lazy that way. It's been interesting to see how I recover strength at the beginning of my work hitches. I'll add my full two weeks' workout this time around.
Friday: front squats sets of 10 at 185,185 Dead lifts sets of 8 at 225,225 Standing press sets of 8 at 115,115,115
Saturday: treadmill cycles: 15% 3.5 mph uphill 4 minutes, same backward walking 2 mph 2 minutes, flat run 1/4 mile at 10mph, flat walk rest at 3.5 mph. Did 3 rounds.
Today: squats sets of 12 with 225,225 Cleans set of 8 with 185,185 Bench sets of 8 with 185,185
Lots less than two weeks ago. Lots of room for more but I'd be too sore to work out for three days if I squatted full bore. That will change in a weeks time and the weights will go way back up.
Regarding Calvin's request, his current strength level should be considered. I'd always had access to athletic weight rooms but reached a point where I was so busy I wanted to start picking up pieces and putting together my own home gym.
First item was weights and a bar. I bought a couple of "cheap" metal olympic sets so I could have up to 600lbs. First day doing cleans and the bar bends. I take it back to the store and they replace it. Second time I do cleans it happens again. Most any bar will work for squatting, benching, deadlifting, but not olympic lifts...get a good bar.
Second item was a squat rack. I build mine but you can purchase serviceable ones for fairly low cost.
Third were bumper plates and a good olympic bar. If I was doing it all again, these would have been the first thing I got. For someone who isn't big on the O-lifts maybe it isn't as important.
Here's a pretty good setup with free shipping that would cover a lot of bases:
Here's yesterdays workout - probably too much: 2 mile treadmill run @10min pace elevated pushups - 40 banded pull ups - 20 (time to drop the band or at least go smaller) dips - 18 ez curls - 10 x 75lb tri curls - 10 x75lb hammer curls - 10 x 35lb dumbbell shrugs - 12 x 35lb trap rows - 10 x 75lb standing shoulder press - 12 x 75lb bent rows - 10 x 75lb dumbbell lunges - 12 x 35lb dumbbell squats - 12 x 65lb situps - 50 hanging leg lifts - 20
With my work schedule I tend to get a late start so only get thru the routine once. There are days I can get thru it twice but not often. In another month or so I'll probably drop the arm work and add more shoulder & leg stuff. Once the weather breaks the strength stuff will decrease to 5-6 exercises.
Plan to build a step box this weekend - thinking 24" high.
Scott- I'm sure you can find plans online, but the boxes we use have 3 different heights. Two 20" sides, two 24" sides, and two 30" sides. Might be a good way to have 3 boxes in 1. Just a suggestion.
Did lower body and abs today. Warm-up on a bike, then hack squat machine, one-legged box jumps, glute machine, hamstring curls, one-legged dumbell flies on a bosu ball, ankle rotations on the bosu ball, leg raises on the floor, crunches, different squat machine with body weight squats on the bosu ball super-setted.
Yesterday: run mile on treadmill @ 8 mph, walk 1/4 mile to rest, then tried another mile but only made it 3/4 mile. Treadmills suck.
Today: squats 8 x 185,225; 12 x 275,275 Cleans 8 x 185,185 Bench 8 x 185, 185, 185 (3 year anniversary of partly torn pec - no heavy benching ever again) Chins 3 sets of 8
Was up in the mtns yesterday near Edwards CO and did a hike with the dog. Trails were icy so trail spikes were a must. Climbed up to around 10K in about a mile and a half. Here is the hike going in, we went up the ridge in the center to the main ridge at the top, and then along that for a bit. The hillsides are covered with mature aspen stands on the eastern (left-hand) sides, for scale:
Here are a few from up above, with a storm rolling in:
Yesterday tried to do three interval half miles on the treadmill but only made it 0.4 miles on the first half at 10 mph. Bagged that idea and ran another full mile at 8 mph.
Today front squats 8 x 185,205,225 then 6 x 225 Pull ups 3 x 6 Dead lift 8 x 275,275
My workouts have been looking similar to that one in an effort to try to build muscle and get a bit "bigger".... It'll be slow, but I'm definitely getting a little bit stronger.
Today I did a few more workouts and focused on one area a bit more than I've been doing the last 2 weeks; most days have consisted of bench, pullups, backsquats, and deadlifts with some auxilary stuff throw in.
I try to start a set every three minutes. That stretches out to 3:30 or four when things get heavy.
Lose the cable stuff, and the only curl worth doing is strict form with a straight bar. JMO. Do some dips, and add weight to them when you can. Do standing press as well.
You are young enough to handle a great deal of volume, and could squat three days a week. There are no upper and lower body days - lift three days a week and do it all.
My workouts have been looking similar to that one in an effort to try to build muscle and get a bit "bigger".... Tanner
Tuner,
When I was your age, I was in an Academy that was encouraging me to do the same thing.
In fact, they insisted on it.
I got "bigger" but struggled to keep my cardio fitness with the extra bulk. The strength made me better at groundfighting and kicking in doors, but at a significant cost to my cardiovascular endurance.
Everyone is different physically, and has different physiology and limiters. But if you're doing this just to be better in the mountains, you might at least keep a focus on long runs, or hikes with a weighted pack. They won't help you with your "meat sculpting" but if you're anything like me, you'll be very glad you did them when the season rolls around.
I very much agree, and if this spring/summer is anything like the last, I'll log 10-15 miles a week with a pack on.. During late May-August it was closer to 40.... But I want to have a good "base" for packing heavy loads and going for long trips on a caloric deficit.
I've not had an issue hiking a long ways with weight, or packing really heavy loads, but I figured trying to get "better" won't hurt.
Sounds like you're doing it right. And you're still pretty young, which helps.
As you get older, the strength gains will be harder to come by and you'll find yourself becoming a slave to your body just to maintain the gym performance routine. Then you might have to make a decision.
Did an hour of cardio this morning, the first thirty minutes I did intervals that kept my heart rate between 165 and 180, and the second 30 minutes (after a 5-minute cool-down on the treadmill) I di intervals that kept it between 150-165.
Grip out wide, and remember the bar has to be a bit behind you when you drop. Easier to get it back with a wide grip. Not my favorite (or anyone's, for that matter). Pretty rough on the wrists.
"Snatch" grip for overhead squats, preferably "hooking" the thumb under your index finger. As for width, grip wide enough to place the bar in the crease of your hip as you bend forward with the bar dangling from "active" (pulled rearward) shoulders, IE arms straight.
Yesterday treadmill 15% sloped, alternating uphill 3.5 mph forward for 4 minutes, then 2mph backward for two minutes for five rounds, a half hour total.
Today squats sets of six at 275, 315, 335, 345. Form started to break down on the heavy sets but not too bad. Cleans sets of five at 225, 225. Chins 3 sets of 8, dead hang.
Deadlift 10 sets of 2 225-245-265-285-315-315-335-355-375(f)-315
Got one rep at 375 and the second off the ground, but form was bad on second so dropped it. Tweeked my back a bit over a year ago after some deads so I don't push it too far if things start going wonky.
I took Vek's advice and gave the 'All 3' a try in a day, and I'm thinking I like the system and will probably start doing it Monday Wednesday Friday and do some core work on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
Last night:
Back squat: 3 sets of 5 at 255, 255, 265
Deadlift: 3 sets of 5 at 295
Benchpress: 3 sets of 3 at 205
Pullups: 3 sets of 6 from a deadhang
I would like to be able to do 1,000lbs for the 3 lifts combined by the end of the year, so that's my goal as of now.
Once your dead sets are more than 3 plates per side, consider alternating deads with power cleans and get them up to working sets over 200 lbs. I doubt that will interfere with deadlift gains too much.
I'll need to work on my power clean form quite a bit. I've never been able to convince my body to drop below a bar in motion like that but I ought to be able to get it down a little better with some lighter weight.
Did a hike with the dog last evening in 6-7 inches of heavy new snow. In about 2 1/2 miles we flushed 21 chickens. They were out feeding and showed up really well against the snow.
Monday- Back Squats: 265x5 for 3 sets Bench Press- 195x5 for 3 sets Deadlift-300x5 for 3 sets 6-6-6-6 pullups
Wednesday- Back Squats: 275x5 for 2 sets, 275x4 for the last Bench Press: 185x6 for 3 sets (definitely wasn't recovered from Monday yet Power Cleans: 165x5 for 2 sets, 185x4 for 2 sets. Form still needs a lot of work.
Last night I did bicep curls and calf exercises in addition to some "Mountain Climbers" (One leg step ups on a knee-height box) 135x6 for warm up 155x5 165x4, 165x4
Tanner - if you can't bench 3 times a week and recover, substitute standing press on Wednesdays. The weekend will give you enough time to recover between the big Friday and big Monday workouts.
Presuming you're getting enough depth on your squats - you don't have far to go.
I think I may have an issue with squats "too" deep rather than not deep enough sometimes, I know I've had that problem in the past. It would be awesome to get to 1,000lbs by the end of 2015, but I know that's a lot to gain.
Tonight- Front Squats-135x8 warmup, 225x4, 205x5 for 4 sets Deadlifts-135x10 warmup, 225x8 warmup, 315x5 for 2 sets, and only got 4 reps on the 3rd set. Benchpress-135x8 warmup, 185x6 warmup, 205x3 for 3 sets. Pullups-8x3sets. Definitely gassed and need the weekend to recover.
They are definitely not bad for my body weight. Would still like to be able to do 2x my BW on squats and BW+100lbs on bench.
Around this time last year I was doing a lot of bike intervals and weighted "hikes" on the stair-stepper for 20-40 minutes, so I think I'll be sucking wind on my first few long hikes this spring, but I do think it'll be worth it when it comes to packing heavy loads.
Good goals! I'd have to be NFL strong to squat 2XBW. MT in May for bears should be a good test if I stay the course of the last 15mos or change something. I have a good elk tag again this year so I've got that to get ready for. 'Course the unit is more akin to pronghorns than typical elk country.
I'm thinking you might be right, but I bet your wind will come much faster than you think. I also bet your definition of 'heavy load' changes.
Did an hour of cardio intervals and the daily shoulder re-hab routine.
I'm at 12 weeks post-surgery, and have restored 95+% of full range of motion.
I would say it's been a pain in the ass, but since the shoulder is right next to my head, I don't wanna give Battue any openings.
He's as-tute like that.
Sounds like the rehab is coming along perfect. I'm sure there was some pain involved, but I always figured you were the disciplined type...
Congrats on the progress!!!!!
Anyway😃
Still at it, but into a new routine of squats, deadlifts, standing press, bench press and rows. Weight is around 80 percent max. Sets are 10x10 with 1 minute rest between sets. Usually do three different exercises one day and the other two the next.
Should have been doing this much more. Have gained 5 pounds, but waist has stayed the same.
Throw in some extra-moderate-cardio specific items, but I'm huffing pretty good during the workout itself.
Thinking about a mountain bike for the summer program.
Do you ever see those new douche-promoting Reebok commercials in the evening? And then as you begin the WOD the next morning, have a sudden urge to kick your own ass?
Same one(s) as during the Super Bowl? I haven't seen any new ones. I generally have the urge to kick my ass most mornings anyway, so I really shouldn't look for another excuse. But, now I will to be like you.
The narration should go something like this "Do your co-workers start to roll their eyes the moment you mention your workout? Do you take yourself very seriously? Have you been shirtless for the past two years of your recreational life?"
Yeah that SB commercial sorta pegged the douche-meter. The next step is using the acronyms as verbs. Or working there verbage into everyday conversation.
"Hey, want to WOD today?"
"I like to not wear underwear when I WOD."
"I butterfly kip when I screw."
"C'mon, don't bro-rep that TPS report."
You do the burpees and I'll do the overhead squats. Please...
"Do your co-workers start to roll their eyes the moment you mention your workout? Do you take yourself very seriously? Have you been shirtless for the past two years of your recreational life?"
Well, it should at least ask the question: "Are you a middle-aged man who wears wife-beaters to show off your tattoos, and a backward ball cap to the gym?
By no means am I a business guru BUT if I was in the business of selling sports clothes, my commercials would have the athletes wearing as much o dat stuff as possible.
The fitness mags that cater to the hardcore weightlifters are filled with guys wearing this stuff. It's a style and I guess they think it makes them look real.
Yeah that SB commercial sorta pegged the douche-meter. The next step is using the acronyms as verbs. Or working there verbage into everyday conversation.
"Hey, want to WOD today?"
"I like to not wear underwear when I WOD."
"I butterfly kip when I screw."
"C'mon, don't bro-rep that TPS report."
You do the burpees and I'll do the overhead squats. Please...
TFF.
I know that one morning I'm going to wake up and find the WOD is nothing more than "Suck your own dick as many times as possible in 20 minutes. Post rounds to comments."
Yeah that SB commercial sorta pegged the douche-meter. The next step is using the acronyms as verbs. Or working there verbage into everyday conversation.
"Hey, want to WOD today?"
"I like to not wear underwear when I WOD."
"I butterfly kip when I screw."
"C'mon, don't bro-rep that TPS report."
You do the burpees and I'll do the overhead squats. Please...
TFF.
I know that one morning I'm going to wake up and find the WOD is nothing more than "Suck your own dick as many times as possible in 20 minutes. Post rounds to comments."
Travis
And folks will do it and debate on how to get more reps!
Backsquat: 275x5 for 3 sets, 225x8 for 5 sets after Bench Press: 205x4 for 3 sets, 185x6, 175x6 Power Cleans: Haven't tried to do much weight on power cleans in a while so my form is pretty awful but it felt pretty good to try them again. I did a few sets of 5 at 185, and 205x2. They are a pretty damn good workout.
Good gym in Lihue, kauai. One of the best i've seen anywhere for doing useful things. Four squat racks, a platform and a lot of other floor space plus a ton of bumper plates, etc.
Did squats sets of 12 with 275, 275 Cleans sets of five with 225, 225 Bench three sets of 8 with 185
I carried a load in my new pack through miles of 6-12 inch deep snow with breakable hard crust. What a PITA. I forgot to bring water, got dehydrated. I think I started hallucinating, I was seeing shapely young women in spandex everywhere. Right when it was getting good though, I saw pointer doing squat thrusts. Bummer.
Squat thrusts??? That's a reminder of my grade school days. Indoor PE classes, two lines doing calisthenics. Squat thrusts were always the last one we did. Darn that Sister Joyce Marie.
Did an hour of cardio intervals. I think I may have to cancel my gym membership though. Everywhere I looked, I had this image of pointer doing squat thrusts while an ugly old nun pulled on his ear. The place is ruined for me now.
Saw a small-may have made 150lbs-young Asian kid at the gym tonight doing back squats. Sets of 5 at 345lbs and all the way down. Didn't seem to break a sweat.
Then he started doing deadlifts with a pile of weight which I was too ashamed to add up.
Last night, little burnt from the week: Front Squats-185x8 warmup, 225x5 for 3 sets, 185x8 for 2 sets after Overhead press-130x5 for 2 sets, shoulders didn't like it so I quit. Deadlift-285x5, 315x5.
Need some recovery time, for sure. Legs are feeling really good and I'm slowly gaining some weight. Would like to get to 180 by the end of May.
Need suggestions please. I hit cardio on a regular basis, 4 to 5 mornings a week, 140 AHR for 30 minutes (42 years old). Haven't lifted a weigh in 20 years. Have intentions of starting a 30 minute weight workout at lunch on Mon - Fri (will still do the morning cardio). I can extend it to 45 minutes if need be, but would prefer to keep it closer to 30 minutes.
I have to do a couple of sets with nothing at all, couple with the bar, couple with 135, couple with 225, then I can start throwing the weights on. After squats or full cleans/snatches nothing else needs a real warmup, but I gotta ease into it on those.
Jay, my post was misleading, I should include that before 225 I do one set with just the bar, and then one set of 10 at 135, but I never include those because I always think of it as more of a stretching warmup than anything else. I don't think jumping right to 225 would fare well for me...grin
I do the same with bench and deadlifts-one stretch/muscle waker-upper at 135 and then jump into the "warm-up" sets.
Worked thru my routine once last night. After the lunges both my hamstrings tightened up big time. No way I was riding the bike this morning. Will try to stretch it out tonight and hopefully hit the bike tomorrow morning.
I really need to get my Y membership renewed and hit the squat rack. Curious as to what I can do though I know its no where close to some of you guys.
I've been following this thread from the beginning. Finally decided to sign up and chime in. I try to work out 4-5 days a week. I do a variety of exercises for upper body, lower body, and core. I try to pick any 6-8 per workout. I try to mix it up as much as possible. Some of them include
squats-front and back 1 legged squats power cleans dead lifts thrusters burpees burpee/squat jumps w/ D.B. step ups w/weight hamstring curls side plank w/leg lift single leg balance w/D.B. clean and press Plank w/D.B. row snatch squat T-push ups V-sit ups Stiff leg deadlifts D.B. high pull kettle bell swings
I also run bleachers and flip tires in the summer. I run with and without a weighted pack.
Due to the lack of snow this winter and warm weather for the past week I was able to get out and run the bleachers today. Felt great. Much better than a treadmill.
I carried a load in my new pack through miles of 6-12 inch deep snow
I remember reading you purchased a Paradox pack. Is that the new pack you are talking about, or did you buy another one recently? I'm looking to buy a new pack. The Paradox is definitely on my list.
I had a suggestion all typed out but didn't hit submit. I'm fat and in not that great of shape so it seems a bit wrong for me to hand out workout advice. That said here goes...
If you haven't lifted for 20yrs I'd suggest you start with bodyweight exercises, especially pushup, pullups, squats, situps, and lunges.
Next I would start on barbell work. Do you have access to "free weights"? I'm not a fan of strength machines. It probably would not be a bad idea to get with a trainer/coach to help you with form on the more typical barbell and olympic lifts. Squats, deadlifts, cleans, presses, etc should be the foundation. Mechanics first, Consistency second, and Intensity third. Though I haven't read it, others here of often suggested the Starting Strength books by Mark Rippetoe. He now also has a website: http://startingstrength.com/index.php/site#.VQBKheE9l_A
I was still pretty sore from Monday but still got a decent workout tonight.
Back squats: Warmup-225x8, 265x8 for 3 sets, 245x8 for 2 sets after. Legs fried. Benchpress-175x8 for 3 sets Did a couple sets of power cleans with 185 after working on my form a little bit but my wrist started giving me some schit so I called it good. Still can't convince myself to drop under the weight so it needs quite a bit of work.
Did a few miles with the new pack loaded up and new boots. Feels better every time out. The snow's gone for the most part and some of the grasses are already greening up.
Is that the new pack you are talking about, or did you buy another one recently?
Pilgs, the pack is the new version of the Kifaru Timberline 1 on a Duplex frame. I like it so far but I've only had 50 lbs in it. It seems very stout, and I like the addition of pockets vs the Longhunter pack.
Thanks. Right now I'm looking at the Paradox, Stone Glacier, and Kifaru. It's a tough decision, especially when they cost what they do. I'm hoping I'll be able to order a few different packs and try them all on with a little weight to help make the decision.
Friday squats 2 sets of 15 with 225, 2 sets of 8 cleans with 185
Saturday ran a mile at 7.5 mph, rested 5min, and ran another
Today snatched three sets of 5 with 135, front squats 2 sets of 12 with 185, standing press 3 sets of 6 with 135, then a chin/dip pyramid starting at 8 chins and 3 dips and ending with 3 chins and 8 dips.
Need suggestions please. I hit cardio on a regular basis, 4 to 5 mornings a week, 140 AHR for 30 minutes (42 years old). Haven't lifted a weigh in 20 years. Have intentions of starting a 30 minute weight workout at lunch on Mon - Fri (will still do the morning cardio). I can extend it to 45 minutes if need be, but would prefer to keep it closer to 30 minutes.
Any suggestions on routine/program for such?
Might want to look into the WWE Power Series:Triple H DVD, just picked it up this week. Pretty well done DVD lifts are well explained and the workouts are short and to the point. Just requires a couple sets of dumbbells. I was kind of skeptical but I figured for $8 from Amazon, what the hell...I've been pleasantly surprised so far.
Standing press 10 at 65lb, then peddle on bike for one minute fast. Rest one minute and repeat 10 times.
Wednesday:
3.2mile with 40lb pack
Some machine where you sit and pull weight 10x100lbs get it done as fast as you can.
Chinups: 40 total. Max was 11 at one time, then a bunch of between 6-8. Catch you breath and pull again.
Box step ups.
Today:
Squats with progressing weight up to 185 x 10, then BP with progression up to 145lbs x 10. Rest 1 minute, repeat times 10.
Max chinups then cycle fast for 1 minute. Catch breath and repeat x 5.
Hip is still funky, but they are finally getting serious about what is going on. Going in for some nerve tests on Monday. 400mg Motrin makes things alright for now.
My first workout after spring break came fairly close to ending my life early... And it weren't hard.
Back squats- 135x8 warmup, 225x8 for 5 sets. Bench Press-135x8 warmup, 185x7 for 2 sets, only pushed 4 on the last. Deadlift-135x8 warmup, 225x8 warmup, 295x5, 335x2
Ouch.... Alcohol consumption is where gains go to die...
As stated above, I'm trying to get back in the groove after a 20 year layoff. The upper body aint no thing, feeling good.
The legs....SQUATS ARE KILLING ME....feel like I'm going to puke during the workout. Very weak, can't lift much weight. Legs completely dead for a day or two. No more soreness but nearly have to lift my leg with the hands when walking up stairs. Good gosh I HATE them. But I recon this is the reason I started back. I knew they were going the wrong direction, now I've confirmed it.
I am eating nothing particular before a workout. Eat breakfast at 8am, two kashi bars, workout at noon, lunch immediately afterwords, usually at grilled chicken caesar salad. Trying to loose about 20 lbs of fat. Its a delicate balance.
Well, I don't know if it'll help, but I worked with a trainer who was a power lifter and also competed in body-building comps.
He recommended a recovery drink as soon after a hard workout as possible. Key ingredients were things muscles need to repair after a hard workout--something sugary and 40 grams of whey protein. I buy the stuff at the store an mix my own using orange juice for the sugar and any kind of whey protein that doesn't have flavoring.
He recommended a recovery drink as soon after a hard workout as possible. Key ingredients were things muscles need to repair after a hard workout--something sugary and 40 grams of whey protein. I buy the stuff at the store an mix my own using orange juice for the sugar and any kind of whey protein that doesn't have flavoring.
Ran bleachers today....5 sets of 7.
What do you guys eat/drink after workouts? I try to get a protein smoothie as soon as I can. I usually blend up a banana, frozen strawberries, silk, and whey protein. Sometimes I just mix chocolate milk with chocolate whey protein. Just curious to know what some other options would be.
I try to get 20-40 grams of protein after a good workout. I've been using GNC AMP Power on lifting days and Pure Protein whey on run/bike days. Typically I never have time to make a smoothie. The vanilla whey in OJ may be pretty good - Orange Julius? Along the same line, do any of you track protein/carbs/fat/calories? I aim for 150g protein/200g carbs/??g fat/2000ish cal per day.
Taking the week off for kids Spring Break. 'Course I did a lot of stairs at the waterpark, if that counts. Want to see something funny, wedge a fat, hairy guy (me) in an innertube, push me down a slide, then watch me try to get out in 18" of water. On the plus side, I didn't push us over any weight limits for any of the slides...
Well, I don't know if it'll help, but I worked with a trainer who was a power lifter and also competed in body-building comps.
He recommended a recovery drink as soon after a hard workout as possible. Key ingredients were things muscles need to repair after a hard workout--something sugary and 40 grams of whey protein. I buy the stuff at the store an mix my own using orange juice for the sugar and any kind of whey protein that doesn't have flavoring.
The only supplement I use is creatine after my work outs. I do feel it helped recover and improved gains.
I ALWAYS take whey protein after training. Whey protein is quickly digested so it works really well to provide building blocks to the muscle asap after training. What I mix it with depends on my goals (weight gain, recovery, cutting weight, etc). I use creatine if I'm wanting to gain weight/build muscle...the stuff works, it always amazes me how much difference it makes. If I'm cutting weight or need to stay at the same weight I avoid it, I usually gain around 10 lbs the first two weeks of taking it but a lot of that is water. A slow digesting protein right before bed is good to avoid muscle be catabolized over night.
If I'm not having to cut/maintain weight, the only time I'm picky about what I eat is right after training. I make sure I eat/drink for recovery. The rest of the time I eat everything I can get my hands on.
Today straight leg dead lifts hamstring curls snatch squats plank roll out w/stability ball DB high pulls Russian twists w/med ball leg raises reverse crunches
One of the guys I workout with proposed a 10,000 burpee challenge, 100 burpees daily for 100 days. If you miss a day you can catch up or you can do extra, the goal is simply to get 10,000 in 100 days or less.
I think I'll knock out my first 25 before I walk the dogs this AM.
One of the guys I workout with proposed a 10,000 burpee challenge, 100 burpees daily for 100 days. If you miss a day you can catch up or you can do extra, the goal is simply to get 10,000 in 100 days or less.
I think I'll knock out my first 25 before I walk the dogs this AM.
It starts today, no foolin'
I would hate that guy! I really hate burpees. That said, I bet you have better lungs for the effort.
I started three weeks ago with getting my soft old backside back into shape. I drew a goat tag this year and after getting promoted to a desk 10 years ago, I'm not where I need to be.
Three weeks ago I started the treadmill, initially just doing 30 minutes flat (0%) at 3.5 mph. I'm up to 25 minutes at 10% at 3.2 mph with a five minute warm up and cool down at 0% on each end. I'll add my pack and some weight next hitch. I go home for my three week R&R today and will hike the roads around my home area with a pack and 50 pounds.
I also started the seven week push up and sit up (crunches) challenge this week. That was humbling but it will be worth it. In seven weeks following the protocol for my age and test results, I should be able to do 100 push ups and 200 crunches. We'll see how it goes.
I've never been one for working out. Until 10 years ago, between my job and my off time I was pretty active and always stayed in good shape. This is the first time I've felt the need to really work at getting back in shape.
One of the guys I workout with proposed a 10,000 burpee challenge, 100 burpees daily for 100 days. If you miss a day you can catch up or you can do extra, the goal is simply to get 10,000 in 100 days or less.
I think I'll knock out my first 25 before I walk the dogs this AM.
It starts today, no foolin'
I would hate that guy! I really hate burpees. That said, I bet you have better lungs for the effort.
My lungs are good but my quads will be getting lit up daily for about 99 more days.
One of the guys I workout with proposed a 10,000 burpee challenge, 100 burpees daily for 100 days. If you miss a day you can catch up or you can do extra, the goal is simply to get 10,000 in 100 days or less.
I think I'll knock out my first 25 before I walk the dogs this AM.
It starts today, no foolin'
I would hate that guy! I really hate burpees. That said, I bet you have better lungs for the effort.
My lungs are good but my quads will be getting lit up daily for about 99 more days.
10 Deadlifts 10 Squat cleans 10 Push Press 50 ft of Walking Lunges with barbell on back. Walk back to start point. Round 3, 7, & 9 – 7 Turkish Get Up 1.5 Pood
The WOD represents 14 stations of the Cross with the three time Jesus fell to the ground.
I made it through 6 rounds before I ran out of time and had to get to work.
This has been my third week back in the gym. I hit it mon-fri at noon for a hard 45 minutes. I am having major problems sleeping. I am taking no supplements of any kind. No drinks, etc., nothing. Caffeine intake has decreased since i started. Diet has changed very little. I probably have less stress than ever in my adult life. In other words, the workout itself is causing the lack of sleep. I got up this morning at 5am after maybe 5 hours of sleep at best. Went to bed at 10:30 tonight and laying here now at 1am without even a yawn and feel all hyped up. Luckily the lack of sleep seems to have no effect on me throughout the day. I never feel lethargic. But i know its not good in the long run. Sleep has never been a problem for me.
You on the computer or iPad before going to bed? If so quit and see what happens. The light messes with your eyes which somehow causes a disruption of your sleep patterns.
Read up on preparing for sleep. I doubt that a hard workout is the cause.
For sure the workout is the cause. Maybe its adrenaline. I lay here feeling invigorated. Heart rate is up. Feels more chemical than physical. The only medication I ever take is ibuprofen but ive been doing that for years.
Made it to sleep after 2am. Here it is 5:30 and I'm ready to rock and roll. Almost like somebody is spiking my water with caffeine.
I know my body and sleep patterns wayyyyyyy better than you do. Whatever it is, it is workout induced. Guarantee you i will sleep like a baby saturday and Sunday night (workout mon-fri).
If your heart rate hasn't returned to normal within an hour or so after exercise then it's time to see a Doc, because something abnormal is going on. If that is the case then exercise induced long term elevated HR may may be a signal to have one check you out. Good luck.
One of the proven tenets of better sleep is more exercise.
If I train within a couple hours of bed I have trouble sleeping. I will have trouble sleeping if I'm overtraining as well, but can really tell when that's the case....don't feel good at all.
As long as you're feeling good during the day I'd keep training. It may take a while for your body to get used to the changes (?). If it starts catching up with you take a break or change it to two days lifting per week to see if it makes a difference (?). Try eating a big bowl of fruit and cottage cheese or a turkey sandwich before bed. You could use the protein overnight for rebuilding muscle and some of the protiens help you sleep.
No matter what, I'd use it as an excuse to wake the wife....
As long as you're feeling good during the day I'd keep training. It may take a while for your body to get used to the changes (?). If it starts catching up with you take a break or change it to two days lifting per week to see if it makes a difference (?). Try eating a big bowl of fruit and cottage cheese or a turkey sandwich before bed. You could use the protein overnight for rebuilding muscle and some of the protiens help you sleep.
Good advice. Thanks Jay.
Originally Posted by JCMCUBIC
No matter what, I'd use it as an excuse to wake the wife....
Just got back into the gym yesterday after a few days off, poked myself in the eye with a spruce branch on Tuesday, got an abrasion on my cornea. It's healing well but what a miserable injury.
Did upper body. Since shoulder surgery I've been doing most exercises one-armed, and increased the strength in my good arm by 10-20%. The recovering shoulder is up to around 50% of the weight I used to lift pre-surgery. The goal is to be able to do 10-12 pullups.
I also have trouble sleeping if I work out late. It's not adrenalin, but it's something. Maybe endorphins? I'd say, if you feel good during the day what's the issue? Maybe you're one of those lucky people who doesn't need much sleep, and it just takes a good amount of exercise to bring that out. If not, it'll catch up and you'll find yourself napping during the weekend.
battue, the ONLY change in my routine for the last 10 years is lifting weights hard. I hear you on the computer screen, but it has never effected me. None. I cannot believe that it is just coincidence that I changed nothing about my daily life, other than lifting weights at lunch, and all the sudden I have trouble sleeping.
It was Saturday so no workout. Hit the bed at 10:30pm last night, asleep within three minutes, woke up at 6:30am in the same position as when I went to sleep. 8 solid hours, slept like a rock.
Front squats with standing press 60 lbs x 10, then 10 Kettle bell swings 45lbs x 10. Repeat x 10.
Seated barbel curls 25lbs x 10, then BP 135lbs x 10. Repeat x10.
Throw in some lunges, box step-up, fast air squats.
Tried not to watch this nymph just burn up a hard core leg/butt workout. Mostly failed in doing so, but I did compliment her and got a big smile and a thanks.
Tried not to watch this nymph just burn up a hard core leg/butt workout. Mostly failed in doing so, but I did compliment her and got a big smile and a thanks.
That's the best reason to go to the gym right there....
6 mile "easy" run....kept it to about a 7:45 average.
Followed with chest day: Pushups: 2 sets of 50 Bench: 3 sets (12-15) Incline Bench: as above Reverse Grip Incline: Dito Fly: see a trend? Incline fly: still 12-15 Finished with pushups to failure.
Walking stairs or steep hills? Any advantage of one over the other with regard to joint stress. I've developed prepatellar bursitis on my right knee. No pain, loss of strength or range of motion. Can't really pinpoint the cause. Had it drained once and it came back. I'm ready to start exercising again.
Did a bike fitness test this morning. Power is close to pre-cancer levels. Took my oldest son trap shooting then hit the creeks trout fishing. Good day all around.
Yesterday - took the pooch for a walk with a 45lb pack looking for turkeys and sheds. Followed that with 4 hours cutting down trees for deer cover improvement.
First run outside this morning. 2 miles at a 9:30 pace. Weights tonight after trap practice.
I was forced inside yesterday due to weather.....so:
Weighted incline workout on the treadmill for 3 miles at variable elevation in excess of 8%. 5 sets: 10 pull ups 20 burpees 30 flutter kicks 40 squats Core work to round it out
Full disclosure......I skipped my 6 miles today to get caught up on a bunch of yard work. I will repent with 14 tomorrow.
1 full round and 150m into second row. I made it a bit farther last year with this workout, but then I only did 155# on the split jerks. So, I am stronger, but not sure about faster.
Followed it with an arm workout. Not overly impressed with the weights, but I struggled through. Full disclosure, even if a bit embarrassing compared to normal.
Close grip bench: 3x10 (105,115,125) with two "rest pause" sets to failure. Seated Dumbell Overhead Tri Extension: 3x10 (45,50,50) with two drop sets to failure. Tri Pulldowns: 3x10 (60,70,70) with two drop sets to failure Barbell Curl: 3x10 (65,70,75) with two rest pause to failure. Incline dumbbell curl: 3x10 (30,35,35) with two drop sets Preacher Curl: 3x10 (50,60,60) with two drops the failure.
Workout: Hang Squat Clean 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 155-175-185-205(f)-205(f)-195(f)-195-205(f)-205-185
Did lots of failing today, but did get a new max of 205. That said, I was humbled by the lady next to me that hit 235#! She just about had 245#. Perfect form and lots of power in those legs and hips. It was impressive.
.... the lady next to me that hit 235#! She just about had 245#. Perfect form and lots of power in those legs and hips. It was impressive.
That is VERY impressive for a lady. I was on the powerlifting team at Ball State and there were some gals on it that were impressive to watch.
I'd be happy to hit that... ...weight myself! Didn't realize you were a fellow Hoosier.
lol... I was a limited-time-only Hoosier. Went to Ball State, got hitched, and worked in IN for a couple of years until I moved back home. Still up there several times a year to visit my wife's family.
Did lots of failing today, but did get a new max of 205. That said, I was humbled by the lady next to me that hit 235#! She just about had 245#. Perfect form and lots of power in those legs and hips. It was impressive.
Congrats on the pr Pointer, but those are some impressive numbers for a girl! Does she train to lift competitively?
warmup: -3 min. jumprope -3 min. "Fedore" (jumping while "punching" out a bar.....hard to explain) -Light jog -12 rounds of calisthenics (mountain climbers, Russian kicks, etc.)
Followed that with an about an hour of pad work.
Then I ran my prescribed 10k for the day. My time was......."off" from normal. May have been the knee/kick ladders prior.
Did lots of failing today, but did get a new max of 205. That said, I was humbled by the lady next to me that hit 235#! She just about had 245#. Perfect form and lots of power in those legs and hips. It was impressive.
Congrats on the pr Pointer, but those are some impressive numbers for a girl! Does she train to lift competitively?
Thanks and I think so. She was a guest and not a regular member. There's a big fire fighter convention in town and she was here for it. She finished 230ish in the CF open this year for her region. Said the gymnastic movements were her downfall. She said she's really into the Oly lifts, but didn't say and I didn't ask if she competed in that as a specific discipline.
Trail ran this am (I didn't suck as bad as I thought I would) .First time I've spent on a trail in a while, as most my hiking recently has been off trail exploring new routes or new areas.
I'll give it a try, although I may be older and a bit more arthritic. I have had three knee scopes on my left knee since my ACL recon in 1999. I live and work in Jackson MS, but "play" out in the Western/NW mountains, hiking with my wife, or flyfishing with my son & other buddies, or chasing elk/mulies/antelope over the years. In 2009 I started sheep hunting, drawing the only non-resident RM Bighorn tag in Oregon in Hell's Canyon. I've had the good fortune to take mature Dall's and mature Fannin's in the Yukon 2012 & 2013, and a good Stone's in 2014 in Northern BC. The hunts were all backpack, use of Argos sparingly on two, horses (which I hate) on one.The four rams were taken on day 6, day 7, day 7, and day 11, respectively. Since the last hunt, my left knee is wearing down more, and I will probably need a total knee replacement sometime late Fall. I've got another ram hunt this August in the Yukon. I've got a pretty decent workout routine, working up to the 50lb backpack/stairmaster/elliptical at the local YMCA (getting interesting stares..here Down South) the last two months before the hunt, but have some questions. I am 58 years old, 5'10", 180lbs. What routine do y'all suggest, if at all, with the kettle bells? I can't really run, substituting the elliptical or stair master due to the left knee DJD, so would swimming add anything to it? I have tried several knee braces, and the DonJoy OA Everyday works well for me with a neoprene sleeve. Any suggestions on others? I do the sit-ups, back extensions, bench press, military press, biceps curls, planks, low/mid/high rows, "fly" and lat pull-downs, triceps work, leg press, hamstring curls...alternating upper body days vs. lower body days in between cardio. If any mid 50's-60's guys are out there, I would love to see what your exercise routine is to keep y'all in "mountain shape". I'm not smart enough to get an "avatar" or photo attached to my post, as the "pixels" apparently were too large. Any advice on a routine would be most appreciated. Gordon
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The second post on the thread has mine. I've changed it some. Had my left ACL done in 2001, arthritic ankle on the right side. IMHO, the best way to get in shape for carrying a pack in the hills is to carry a pack in the hills.
Did 3 miles with the pack yesterday, cardio today, then two days off, traveling.
Smokepole, Can't agree more with the carrying a pack in the hills. With less hills here in the SE USA, I have to get creative. The YMCA machines work well, but can never mimic the trekking...where one trekking pole is bent, your left foot is everted/toes down and the right foot is inverted/toes up...and the left knee is 60 degrees flexed and the right knee just slid five feet on a scree field...No mountains here, but lots of thick grassy hillsides with enough incline to "go up and down" repeatedly, close to the house. It gets a bit boring, but some "live" Drive By Truckers, Lynrd Skynrd "Live from SteelTown", or "40 Licks" by the Stones helps keep the pace. I'm doing an hour three times per week with my Eberlestock filled with doubled trash bags with 50lbs wheat seed, then mix it up with upper & lower body weights. Any and all additional advice is welcome. Thanks!
I'll add one of my fav quotes: "Anyone who isn't confused doesn't really understand the situation"- Edward R. Murrow OR..."You can't always get what you want, but if you try, sometimes, you'll get what you need"- Mick Jagger
What routine do y'all suggest, if at all, with the kettle bells? I can't really run, substituting the elliptical or stair master due to the left knee DJD, so would swimming add anything to it?
If you go to onnit.com and look in the "academy" section, you can click on exercises or training and find different individual exercises with kettle bells and different workouts with kettle bells. That's where I found the one I tried a few days ago. Some of the exercises they show don't require you to bend down as far as a squat/power clean/dead lift with a barbell would. That may be easier with your knee situation.
I've started doing one arm bench with a DB and DB bench alternating arms. I really like it. I lift my legs up on the bench as well. It really keeps your core engaged the entire time.
I don't have the luxury of walking in the hills with a pack either. I will walk and/or run up and down bleachers with a pack on. I also walk on a treadmill with the incline anywhere from 12-15% while wearing a pack. I find it more helpful than just loading up a pack and walking a flat dirt road.
Swimming is an awesome full-body workout. It may be very beneficial because it doesn't put the same stress on your body as lifting does, but still gives you a pretty darn good exercise.
Pilgs, Now that sounds like some practical advice I can use. I will print off those kettle-bell exercises this a.m. that don't require such a degree of knee flexion, and try them tomorrow a.m. as this a.m. is "elliptical day" and yesterday was "weight day" at the local YMCA. I'll also try the one-arm benches, as I do the "both arm" DB bench presses, sitting military presses, biceps curls, triceps extensions, rows while kneeling on the bench. We have an abundance of flat dirt roads here in the nearby Natn'l Forest with flat hiking "strolling trails", so the stair master, elliptical, and 10-15% grade on the treadmill-with pack on the back-has to do for now. I will have to force myself to get up extra early, which I may have to pass on, to do the swimming as the Y pool is always crowded with either the Uber swimmers or the blue-haired ladies doing water aerobics or synchronized swimming. Thank you so much for your advice! I am sorry I don't have pics but the site tells me my "pixels" are too many to post. My printer here at home will be humming as soon as I send this thank-you reply! Kettle-bells are being added to the redneck Southern routine. The first two weeks of August will be here before we can blink twice!
Hmm, I was a plant guy before I became an IT guy. Were you College of Ag and how the hell did you end up in Indiana?
Born and raised in IN. Went to USU for graduate school and came away with an MS in Range Ecology (College of Natural Resources). Worked in that field in UT for 8 years before my wife convinced me to move back to IN. Been trying to convince her of a reverse move every since. Got to see a lot of cool parts of No. Utah for work and school.
Your 'handle' gave you away as having some plant guy in your background. Makes me chuckle.
Squat 3x8 with 275 Dead lift 2x5 with 315 Standing press 3x5 with 145 Reverse alternating pyramid of chins and dips, start with 8 chins then 2 dips work down to 2 chins and 8 dips.
Last couple days the 10x10 routine of deadlifts, squats, bent over rows, etc. Throw in some chin-ups, dips, box step-ups. 3 mile pack hike with 50 a couple days ago.
Ran this AM for the time in ages. 3 miles, walked some hills when the HR started bouncing around 170-180. Knees are letting me know they are there.
I doubt if the jealously will kill you, but you are carrying around this unnecessary burden of negativity. I know, I know, what with you being younger it is hard to understand. Take comfort in the fact you are not alone and know that if I can ever help I'll stop and wait up.
Addition: This afternoon shot off 350 12 gauge. Been a great day!!!!
Addition 2: For all who think we are serious about any of this. I'm rooting for Smoke to hit a home run on his upcoming Sheep hunt. No chit.
I haven't posted in a little while but I'm still at it. Doing about 7.5 hours a week between running/biking/lifting. Threw a 30lb bag of sand in new pack along with my turkey calls, decoys, and such. That's been a good workout chasing turks plus it'll test out the new pack for fall.
Battue - you shooting trap, skeet, sporting? My son is shooting for the school trap league this year. Been thinking about both of us joining the summer trap league at the local range and mixing in some sporting clays as we have time.
Today: 45 minutes on the elliptical; level 16 and ~77rpm; burned over 650 Calories (1002 according to the elliptical's optimistic estimate).
Finished the burpee challenge with 10,030 on Friday, glad to be done. Now I need to see if the soreness in my wrists, elbows and shoulders will ease a bit.
This Flatlander is starting month 3 of Jim Wiedlers 5-3-1 Simple Strength Program. Made some good gains. It's almost time to hit the trail and turn up the HIIT cardio. Hoping to draw a CO MZ tag this year, been carrying the bow the last few.
Solid work guys, I will try and chime in more instead of just lurking and reading what you guys are doing to prepare. Whatever it is we do, it's never enough.
Battue - you shooting trap, skeet, sporting? My son is shooting for the school trap league this year. Been thinking about both of us joining the summer trap league at the local range and mixing in some sporting clays as we have time.
Scott,
Just saw your post. Sporting for the most part.
Closest club to you that I'm shooting at would be Lawrence County Sportsmens outside of New Castle. They have an electronic system and you pay to have targets placed on your card and can shoot whenever it is convenient. Would be a drive for you, but if you and your Son would like to shoot sporting there some day or evening, send me a PM and we can arrange make it happen. If I'm not working would be more than willing to do so.
Workout: 3 rounds for time 10 reps 155# benchpress 20 cal row 10 dips (on boxes)
7:58
Pretty disappointed in my bench numbers. Definitely have done lots more in the past. Then again, I think this is the second time I've benched in the past year. Not a part of our regular program.
Had a good workout today, crammed two days worth into one long session, upper body, lower body, and core. Had a stomach bug the last few days and couldn't do anything so made up for lost time. Plus, going back east (VA) tomorrow for a few days for a momentous occasion.
How many of you guys have seen your youngest graduate from college? Except Harry of course, he's got grandchildren who graduated ten years ago.
Besides the pride of accomplishment, there's also the impending relief on the wallet. It's no coincidence that I'm finally going hunting in AK this year.
Had a good workout today, crammed two days worth into one long session, upper body, lower body, and core. Had a stomach bug the last few days and couldn't do anything so made up for lost time. Plus, going back east (VA) tomorrow for a few days for a momentous occasion.
How many of you guys have seen your youngest graduate from college? Except Harry of course, he's got grandchildren who graduated ten years ago.
Besides the pride of accomplishment, there's also the impending relief on the wallet. It's no coincidence that I'm finally going hunting in AK this year.
Had a good workout today, crammed two days worth into one long session, upper body, lower body, and core. Had a stomach bug the last few days and couldn't do anything so made up for lost time. Plus, going back east (VA) tomorrow for a few days for a momentous occasion.
How many of you guys have seen your youngest graduate from college? Except Harry of course, he's got grandchildren who graduated ten years ago.
Besides the pride of accomplishment, there's also the impending relief on the wallet. It's no coincidence that I'm finally going hunting in AK this year.
Well you are a little wrong on the years, but we are getting used to that fault. Anyway, like Granddad they are flexible and desirable.
Have fun, seeing them graduate is a big event. Congratulations!!!! Try not to fall asleep, then again he or she is probably used to it.
Standing press and pull downs with 10x10 routine. Weighted box step-ups, couple sets of dips, 30 minutes on rower and 10 easy cool down on the bike machine.
Today power cleans bench press plank w/DB row leg raises reverse crunches burpees landmine 180
Pilgs: thanks for posting this. I was not familiar with landmine exercises. After a little research I found you can get an entire strength workout with that propped barbell. Good stuff.
I don't run and didn't train for it except one test 2.5 miler on Wednesday. I accidentally ended up first for my age group which just shows that you can win if you outlive your competition and stick to very small ponds.
Today power cleans bench press plank w/DB row leg raises reverse crunches burpees landmine 180
Pilgs: thanks for posting this. I was not familiar with landmine exercises. After a little research I found you can get an entire strength workout with that propped barbell. Good stuff.
Milestone today, first pull-ups post shoulder surgery. Only did one set of eight, but felt good, no soreness. Also did cauldrons with a weighted barbell for the first time.
I've been working up slowly, some muscle groups come back faster than others. Chest is about 80% and overhead press is behind that.
Been doing everything one-handed since the strength is unbalanced and I've had to use different levels of resistance for each hand. Funny thing is, I gained a good percentage with the good hand/arm over what I'd been doing before, as well as working up with the re-hab side. Seems like there's something to doing resistance with each hand/arm working independently.
Milestone today, first pull-ups post shoulder surgery. Only did one set of eight, but felt good, no soreness. Also did cauldrons with a weighted barbell for the first time.
I was using the same, 40 grams whey protein with L-Glutamine, post workout. Mixed with OJ to provide some sugar to help recovery.
With the arthritic ankle though, I've been reading up on the anti-inflammatory diet, and foods that cause inflammation. Casein apparently causes inflammation and is a component of whey protein, so starting a week ago I've laid off for a while, and just eat some protein post workout like a can of sardines or a few boiled eggs.
Not sure if it's helping yet.
PS, it's sunny here so I'll be taking a hike with the pack, first day it hasn't rained in a while.
Don't know if they help any, but Whey Protein and L-Glutamine pretty much daily here.
I'm taking whey, but I feel the BCAs that I take make a HUGE difference in helping sore muscles. Plus after cutting out sodas they help my taste buds get over the boredom of drinking water all day.
I'm taking whey, but I feel the BCAs that I take make a HUGE difference in helping sore muscles. Plus after cutting out sodas they help my taste buds get over the boredom of drinking water all day.
Then there is working some, shooting tournaments, a planned Grouse hunting trip, perhaps another to NM for Deer and Antelope, looking for a new Pup, Grandkids.
However, time is catching up to me fast, and faster with each day. If we could ever put it together, I would be happy to just tag along and watch. Along with hopefully helping to bring yours back down.
Did a short training hike today, carried 50# up some steep grassy slopes, about 1K vertical. Did some good side-hilling too, to get the ankles in shape. View from the top:
The best part of the hike was, the whole time I was up there these were in the smoker:
And this (elk shanks with finger potatoes and portabellos) was in the crock pot:
Sunday I tried "The Murph" Run 1 mile. 100 push ups, 200 pull ups, 300 air squats, then run 1 mile. I got through 15 sets of pull ups and had to start using the pull down machine due to my hands being too sore. I felt it all the next day.
Where is pointer? Not cyber-stalking but I've missed his posts lately.....
You appear to miss me more than my wife. I was out of state hunting last week, didn't get back until Sunday. Took a flyer on this week and plan to be back at it 5am Monday.
I probably have as many posts as anyone on this thread and am probably the most out of shape and and even more certainly the heaviest. Can't decide it that's funny or sad...
Just do a few Murphs and get back to us. I looked up "The Murph" on-line, here's what I found:
"Murph"
For time: 1 mile Run 100 Pull-ups 200 Push-ups 300 Squats 1 mile Run
In memory of Navy Lieutenant Michael Murphy, 29, of Patchogue, N.Y., who was killed in Afghanistan June 28th, 2005.
This workout was one of Mike's favorites and he'd named it "Body Armor". From here on it will be referred to as "Murph" in honor of the focused warrior and great American who wanted nothing more in life than to serve this great country and the beautiful people who make it what it is.
Partition the pull-ups, push-ups, and squats as needed. Start and finish with a mile run. If you've got a twenty pound vest or body armor, wear it.
The upshot is, you guys need to be wearing a 20-lb. vest.
The last one I did was in 41 minutes (I posted it on this thread a while back), and I felt very close to death afterwards. IIRC, my first mile was just under 6 minutes, and the second one was around 9... Brutal.
Took the pup for a few miles up and down some hills this morning with a 50 lb. pack. The grass was wet and slick, with just enough loose rock underneath to make it interesting, thought it would be good practice.
The Murph is a mile run followed by 100 pull-ups, 200 push ups, and 300 squats, then another mile run.... Not 200 pull ups.
Tanner
Yep, my bad. It makes my day to find out I don't have to attempt 200 pull-ups ever again. Not sure how I misread that when I was looking at the workout. Oh well. As I was doing it I was wondering how the heck anyone could that many in one session. Ha
Decided to just stretch every morning last week for about 30-45 minutes. Noticed some improvement by end of week.
Saturday I helped a friend plant 300 seedlings and salt and trace minerals. Decided to see how the Kelty Hauler worked with heavy weight off trail. First load was 50lbs and not bad. Second load was 100lbs and tougher. Distance was only maybe 1/2 mile with a decent ravine I had to go down and up. Leg held up well with minimal swelling.
2 bars may be used during the WOD. Partner 1 must hold weight over head while partner 2 is executing the snatch for reps to count and vice versa. During the Burpee-over-box, partner 1 must hold an air squat while partner 2 is executing the Burpee-over-box reps.
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Partner and I timed out. Made it through the snatches and partially through the burpees. Tough day for the first workout in two weeks.
Where is pointer? Not cyber-stalking but I've missed his posts lately.....
You appear to miss me more than my wife. I was out of state hunting last week, didn't get back until Sunday. Took a flyer on this week and plan to be back at it 5am Monday.
I probably have as many posts as anyone on this thread and am probably the most out of shape and and even more certainly the heaviest. Can't decide it that's funny or sad...
Hope the hunting trip went well and glad you're training again. You're doing some great workouts and I enjoy the updates. I need to do a better job posting but I'm just to lazy...
Monday morning: 10 round thai heavy bag
Monday lunch: Cleans Squats Circuit of: Hang Snatches Abs HyperExt
Monday evening was spent getting beat up by a horse. I guess the walk back to the barn (twice!) counts as cardio.
Finally started the StrongLift 5x5 program last night- squats, bench press, barbell rows, dips and hanging leg lifts. Feeling it today. 45min bike ride this morning and plan to swim after work.
I know its a total body thing, but given my schedule, I'll keep doing the jog & run split when I get home from work, and weekends I'll hump the perimeter, increasing load and length until I drop.
Just so long as we don't have to carry your ass out of the mountains, just do what you can. I've had that schedule before (and it's what put me this far out of shape).
No such thing as "to be acceptable" for this thread. Keep posting your progress. I know if really helps keep me on task.
Strength: Front Squat 3-3-1-1 135-225-245-275
Workout: Each partner will have 7 rounds of 20 seconds of work time to establish a 1 rep max. Partner 1 will lift first and partner 2 will rest and vice versa for the next 20 seconds.
14 rounds 20 seconds to find a 1 rep max Front Squat 20 seconds rest
Post total pounds lifted as a team.
Pard and I hit 2965#. 20 secs on 20secs off seems like a plenty of time, but it was shorter than I thought considering we had to switch plates every round. I got up to 255# on the workout. My wrists were killing me. Chitty front rack.
Treadmill 30min intervals. Upped it and topped out at 8mph this time.
Box jumps, box step-up, weighted and body squats, diamond push-ups, triple tricep pull-downs with decreasing weight x 4 sets each. Lunges and dips x 2 sets.
Got back into the gym today, yesterday was an off day. Did upper body. Shoulder is somewhere in the 80-90% range for most stuff. Did just a few pull-ups, it's not quite ready for multiple sets yet.
Yup, I never really knew about it until this year, I don't live over that way. It has an outstanding trail system but the thing I like is the steep grass-covered slopes. They're good training for a backpack hunt. Gets the heart-rate up!
3.5 mile run with the cross country team, of which 1.6 was a steady climb. Got the attention of my quads! Those kids kicked my a$%! Oh to be young again!
Had to pick up a couple new backpacks today at Cabela's. Along with a new cap rifle, new sleeping bags and a stuffed Dolphin and Alligator to keep the night spooks under the bed.
Obligatory pic with all the critters around the mountain.
Then it was off to Quaker State Oil and Lube for wings, fries and a Philly Cheese Steak. Topped of with ice cream down the road. Monster cal day!!!!
They have one of them also, but only get to play when I'm around.
Best part was when we arrived home and he drew a circle on a piece of paper and was practicing across the deck. When it was his sisters turn he said, "You must aim right here" and pointed to the center of the circle. Sister took aim, popped a cap and walked over to look at the paper. On seeing nothing she said, "I'm horrible at this."
This was a BD present the little guy picked out on his own and he debated over the one much the same as we often do.
I'll break tradition and post more than 1 day this week.
Before breakfast: 10 rounds thai
Before lunch: Snatches Circuit 1 (1 min rest between rounds/4 rounds): Hang Cleans Front Squats Incline DB Lats Circuit 2 (no rest between rounds/4 rounds): Pullups Dips HyperExtensions Static Abs
Thanks. However smoke and mirrors for the most part. At 71, shell of days past and I'm coming in for a hard landing. Girls at the gym are doing things that amaze me.
That being said, old Buds are crashing at an alarming rate. I'm just trying to stay up as long as I can.
Addition:You young Bucks are my inspiration to keep pushing to stay out there. So thanks again. Along with that old fart. AKA Smokepole.
Shows you how colors can be deceiving. Light blue makes me look so much younger and dark blue makes the "Dude"-what we call Grandpa-look even worse than he is.
Thanks. However smoke and mirrors for the most part. At 71, shell of days past and I'm coming in for a hard landing. Girls at the gym are doing things that amaze me.
Girls at the gym do things that amaze me too, and I'm not even old.
Great minds think alike, did 3-4 miles with the dog today. Had to re-route three times around "obstacles." Twice it was whitetails near a road. Didn't want to chase them across the road. The other time, it was 3 coyotes guarding a den with pups. They get pretty particular this time of year with any strange canines near their dens.
Did cardio today, great workout after an "off " day yesterday.
Recovery is underrated, especially as you get older. I tried to do the same cardio workout last week after a couple days of hard workouts, couldn't come close in duration or intensity.
Doesn't apply to your post, but a heads up from two days ago.
I use "My fitness pal" to roughly monitor my daily calorie intake. They also tell you fat, carbo, protein and potassium intake for the day. Upon looking I could see my potassium intake is about a third of the recommended daily requirement. Knew it, but thought I felt fine. A little off lately, but attributed it to age and working out more than normal. Need to up the vegetables and fruits.
I have had three episodes where my potassium level dropped and I became really weak. First time I drove myself to the ER. Docs gave my a D5W .9NSS + 20meq/L Potassium Chloride IV and the heart slowed down and the skips went away immediately. HR was hitting 200. And while my K (Potassium) level was on the low side of normal they attributed it to low K.
Happened a second time a couple years later while Grouse hunting. Felt weak and kept going, got weaker and finally had to stop and lie down. Again pushing 200. I couldn't go or get a good breath. It reversed and I went on my way, but paid attention.
Just happened the other day again. Not as bad, but I recognized it before I crashed. I had talked about this with a Doc previously and he wrote me a script for prescription strength KCl and he told me to keep it close at all times. Only to be used if the symptoms occurred. Anyway went home and took one. Within 30 minutes my HR was back to 62 and I felt great.
There is also an interplay between Sodium and Magnesium with Potassium. Most get enough Sodium, but the majority of the population is Magnesium deficient.
Diet is a bigger factor than we realize as we get some years on us and if you are not eating right this high intensity stuff can get things a little skewed.
All of us should see the GP regularly and have a blood panel done. Talk to him/her about the numbers and what they mean. Read and acquire a working mans knowledge so when they give you answers they make sense.
Addition: Had to squeeze it in before gym closed.
Hex deadlifts: 10x10 185lbs
Standing barbell press: 10x10 alternating between 70 80lbs
Two of the episodes occurred on very hot days and the one while Grouse hunting a warmer fall day. Supposed to drink a lot of water and I was. Problem was my K was probably at its border line low normal. Sweating dropped it a little lower. If there are any Docs in the house here is where I would like them to join in.
I'm thinking drinking a lot of water may have also been a contributing factor in that I diluted out my blood volume and caused the concentration of available K to the cells to be decreased. A cell can only hold so much volume. K needs to be inside the cell to be effective.
No doubt drinking fluids is important when it is hot and one is working hard. However, when your minerals are on the edge of normal, diluting them out can have an effect we would not normally desire.
Again, not sure if I'm entirely correct on this, so if a Doc can add some insight it would be appreciated.
Thing is low normal and high intensity workouts may not be the best place to be and the only way you can know is by having relatively frequent blood panels done.
We all hear about vitamins, however having the right amount of minerals may be even more important.
Two of these events gave me a scare. So it was EKGs, Thallium scans and echocardiograms. Docs say don't stop what you are doing.
Also stress test. Last one was a joke in that I could have hopped on the treadmill for 10minutes and stressed myself more. Hardly breathed hard and in fact I didn't. Said to the Doc that's it. His reply, "For your age that's it."
Waste of time, if stress had anything to do with it.
Two of the episodes occurred on very hot days and the one while Grouse hunting a warmer fall day. Supposed to drink a lot of water and I was. Problem was my K was probably at its border line low normal. Sweating dropped it a little lower. If there are any Docs in the house here is where I would like them to join in.
I'm thinking drinking a lot of water may have also been a contributing factor in that I diluted out my blood volume and caused the concentration of available K to the cells to be decreased. A cell can only hold so much volume. K needs to be inside the cell to be effective.
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Two of these events gave me a scare. So it was EKGs, Thallium scans and echocardiograms. Docs say don't stop what you are doing.
Also stress test. Last one was a joke in that I could have hopped on the treadmill for 10minutes and stressed myself more. Hardly breathed hard and in fact I didn't. Said to the Doc that's it. His reply, "For your age that's it."
Waste of time, if stress had anything to do with it.
Well, what I experienced last week wasn't that extreme, and it wasn't potassium. I just couldn't work as hard and it was apparent when I started the workout. Muscles were still sore too.
I have had a similar thing happen, as far as an "episode." Thought I was maybe having a heart attack and my Dr. had me do a stress EKG. He never did figure it out, but an old battle-axe nurse I saw about a year later pegged it as a blood sugar crash.
I used to go to the gym first thing in the AM. I'd get out of bed, eat a piece of fruit, and choke down a powerbar before the workout. On the morning of the "episode," I was out of powerbars so didn't have one, just the fruit. Post workout, I felt dizzy, flushed, and so nauseous that I had to sit down with my head in my hands. It passed after about 10 minutes.
My Dr. just ran the tests and told me I was fine. The nurse asked me what I'd eaten, and told me my symptoms were classic for a blood sugar crash, which made sense. Powerbars have complex carbs that stay in your system more than an hour; a piece of fruit has simple sugars that you burn through is a half hour and if you're working hard your blood sugar crashes.
I haven't got into doing farmers walk and lunges yet. Although I have a friend who is on me to do them. I did do squats, deadlifts, and powercleans today so that is good enough. I hope anyway!
Did a fathers day 5k today. Won my age group 65-69 of 21 guys with a time of 23:59. I ran this same course exactly one year ago in 23:16. So I guess this is just the inevitable decline that comes with aging.
It was supposed to be 3 rounds, but I timed out. If it's a good hangover, have a bucket handy...
Vomit and Sunday go hand-in-hand.
Stop being a pussy.
Travis
Ha! The owner has called me that a few times. I'm pretty good unless its a bodyweight exercise day. I have a lot of bodyweight. I'm pretty sure I stole the "Athletic fat guy" title from Adair...
Did a fathers day 5k today. Won my age group 65-69 of 21 guys with a time of 23:59. I ran this same course exactly one year ago in 23:16. So I guess this is just the inevitable decline that comes with aging.
Good time Ross. Congrats on the win.
Treadmill: 30min incline intervals. 12.5% for 1 min-13-13.5-14-14.5-15. Then back down in .5's to 12.5, then back up and down till over.
Plank: 3minutes. Walking lunges with 40 pounds for 40 yards.
Legs and back evolution.
Time for a nap.
Addition: Wrestled with a chain saw for an hour. I'll call it cardio.
Cleans, 1 min rest between sets Circuit, 1 min rest between rounds: . Hang Snatches . Box Squats . DB Bench . DB Rows Circuit, 30 sec rest between rounds: . Pullups . Dips . Hyperextensions . Abs . Neck
Yes to not liking the lunges either. On your 5K row, you averaged about 2 min/500m and is about where I usually am for longer rows. I'd say that's decent but far from good. Get that pace down around 1:45/500m for that long and you're getting into impressive.
I agree that rowing is boring, but I like doing it just not for near that long. Try doing a couple of 500m intervals but get that pace down in the 1:30s. You'd probably like this one: 3 rounds for distance
Row a 1:25 pace as long as possible Run 200m Rest 1 minute
Post total distance and time.
That sucked my lungs right out of my chest.
PS- TAK liked to row and give advice on it. hint. PPS- He never believed the times I posted.
Yes to not liking the lunges either. On your 5K row, you averaged about 2 min/500m and is about where I usually am for longer rows. I'd say that's decent but far from good. Get that pace down around 1:45/500m for that long and you're getting into impressive.
I agree that rowing is boring, but I like doing it just not for near that long. Try doing a couple of 500m intervals but get that pace down in the 1:30s. You'd probably like this one: 3 rounds for distance
Row a 1:25 pace as long as possible Run 200m Rest 1 minute
Post total distance and time.
That sucked my lungs right out of my chest.
PS- TAK liked to row and give advice on it. hint. PPS- He never believed the times I posted.
Flat bench, dumbbell bench, incline bench My wife and I did a 45 minute spin class tonight which was a great workout and it was fun to do together. My wife and I normally don't workout together because of work schedules and such, but this is something that we are going to make a habit out of.
Bent over rows x4, chinups x2, overhead press x1, toe push on a press machine x4, planks 4min and 2.5min and a couple sets of those man-makers with 22.5.
Rower: 30minutes moderate while watching the Pirates.
A bit too heavy for that many reps. Back/hamstrings are already feeling it. Had a weird cramp/pain in left bicep on first round, but it went away. The posted workout was for bar muscle ups with the same number scheme as the deads. Can't do those so did 3X the reps in jumping pullups and situps.
Yesterday: 30 easy minutes on the treadmill and leg/back with weights.
Today: 2.5 hours of trimming trees with the chain saw and a 45 minute jog/walk with Toby.
At dentists office this AM read an interesting article in the July issue of Outside magazine re overtraining syndrome or OTS that is becoming more prevalent with the popularity of ultra marathons. Some of these individuals just completely crash and many never completely recover. Even after long periods of laying off.
Happened to Alberto Salazar who at one time was a world class marathon runner. Ended up not being able to run more than 30 minutes.
Steve Rinalla aka The Meat Eater on the Outdoor channel also had an article re bugs and microbes that have given him problems. Lymes for one, which resulted in four months of IV antibiotics and trichanosis from eating partially cooked Black Bear meat.
Not necessarily overtraining, but in 2001 I decided to run the Portland marathon about 2 months before the day of the event. I hadn't run seriously in probably 5 years, and was working a desk job. So, my training was compressed and basically meant that I did one long run on the weekend, was crippled until about Tuesday, and then tried to get in another 20-30 or so miles before next weekend, with a little interval stuff mixed in.
Anyway, about half way through the marathon, my foot started hurting somewhere in the arch. I (of course) kept grinding away and finished. I think it was a stress fracture, but never got it checked out. It would bother me every time I did a big hiking trip up to 2 years ago. That is 10 plus years of pain based on wanting to get that sweet t-shirt. Stupid. It kinda broke me of wanting to run.
My sister is turning 40 this year, and is signed up for an Ironman (her first). I hope she fares better in that than I did in my attempt at the last third.
Body Pump 1hr new program Body Attack 1hr 1.5 pallet Bermuda
I am now stronger ( aerobic and anaerobic) than I have been at any time the past 25 years. If I do not get hurt and get some time under the pack, I will be ready.
This is a Partner WOD – Partner #1 will perform the work listed above. Partner #2 will run 400m with a 45# plate. Once Partner #2 returns from the run, Partner #1 will grab the plate and begin their 400m, while Partner #2 continues work wherever #1 left off.
Run 400m 135# Back Squats - 50 reps 135# Bench Press - 50 Reps Run 400m 135# Back Squats - 35 reps 135# Bench Press - 35 Reps Run 400m 135# Back Squats - 20 reps 135# Bench Press - 20 Reps Run 400m 3 ring dips 3 jumping ring pullups
42:49
That sounds awful.
It was and I only did 1/2 the distance of the runs due to time constraints and being lazy. 'Twas supposed to be 800m each time.
Yesterday: 120 Jumping towel pullups 225# Squat - 20 reps 60 handstand pushups from a box Row 40 cals
14:40
I did the jumping towel pullups as I can't do the rope climbs. The HSPU from a box are a modification as I can't do regular HSPUs. Dudes weighing nearly 300#, like me, aren't meant to be inverted safely...
I would not do squats and bench press on the same day. Squats are for leg day. Leg day fits in right between Chest/Back day and Biceps/ shoulders day. If you focus on certain muscle groups and drink a protein shake within 45 minutes after the workout your body knows exactly where to build muscle and you always have fresh muscles to work.
Did some hikes this weekend in the mtns, 4 miles yesterday and 8 miles with the pack on Friday. Lightened the load a little since we topped out at around 11,500. Even the four-legger had to take a break on the way up:
40 y.o., 6', 190, should be 180. I am training to run my 2nd full marathon in September. I had a bad case of plantar fasciitis over the last 8 weeks (hence the 190), but it finally subsided enough to allow for some short runs. Marathon is in 11 weeks, so hopefully i can get my mileage up. Ran 3 on monday and today. Will run 3 tomorrow, 4 friday and 7-9 on sunday (maybe).
This week so far, 80 squats from 125#-265#. 60 deadlifts from 125#-305#. 100 bench press reps from 125#-290#. Also bent over rows, planks, chest flyes, rear delt flyes, lat pulldowns, triceps press, ab crunches daily, bicep curls, leg press, calf extensions, and treadmill.
Just read an article re why our athletic abilities decrease with age. They never mentioned a towel, therfore I will give little thought to your question.
Being the fine individual I am, I know a great surgeon who specializes in hernia repair. Please don't hesitate to PM me for a referral and remember to swing the hips on the lift.
I might squat here in a little bit. My legs are ready but my shoulders are fatigued from training this week so I don't know yet if they're ready to support a barbell.
My legs are sore from working out lower body yesterday. But I'm still gonna squat in a few minutes. Got the sports page ready, drinking a strong cup of java, it's inevitable.
I managed 60 squats. 20 shy of last week but I did 265 15X and finished up 305x5. I like to work my way back down in weight but I had nothing left after that.
We had to get back to change water but we did swing by Casper's, makers of the world famous FatBoy ice cream sandwich. I enjoyed two scoops of Brownie's on the Moon on a sugar cone.
For anyone wanting to stop by Casper's, drive north from Logan on US 91 until you pass Pepperidge Farm, turn left when you smell cow crap and when you see the cows you're there.
Never did hit Caspers. I had to drive from Logan to Woodruff nearly daily for good periods of time spring and fall during graduate school. When open, I'd always hit one of the ice cream shops on Bear Lake. Made the drive...
Dropped 13lbs in last 8-9 weeks, down to 187. Getting weaker on some lifts, but building endurance everyday
Yesterday 7 sets of Squats Ended w 345x3 then 255x13 for 1Set Last. 7 Pullups between sets Bar Lunges 135-185lb 4x10, 7 Pullups between sets Superset Heavy Calves/ 25lb Back Extensions 30lb Dumb Walking Lunges 5x20 w 45sec rest CORE: Leg Raises/Ab Wheel/Leg Raises/Planks 30min Incline walk carrying 15lb dumbs
Today. 15-20min HIIT Cardio. Probably do incline sprints and row machine followed by hour steady cardio
Upper body today. Hard to get a good workout in with all the women crowding around. The 20-something's are the worst, no manners.
Yesterday I was doing overhead presses on the smith machine and this 20 something woman stands right in front of me , blocks my view of the mirror, and starts working with dumbbells. That aggravated me because I use the mirror to watch my form. But these young people always have both earbuds in so you can't say anything to them.
With me, they crowd around to watch and feel my biceps. I like the fact that everyone wears ear buds or phones though. That way, I can rip one and no one knows where it came from.
Bench press day. Incline, decline, flat bench with the barbell and incline benched dumbbells up to 75 lbs. Trying to break a plateau right now so I left everything I had at the gym. My arms feel like falling off.
No thanks. I've gotten hurt before by squatting deep. I like to have the bench so I know I won't go down too far. If I only did squats for my legs going deep would be more crucial. But I use the leg press and do deadlifts (regular and Romanian) , and do calf extensions.
No thanks. I've gotten hurt before by squatting deep. I like to have the bench so I know I won't go down too far. If I only did squats for my legs going deep would be more crucial. But I use the leg press and do deadlifts (regular and Romanian) , and do calf extensions.
What did you hurt, and what do you consider "deep"?
Is that a squat rack, or one of those fancy bar slider doo-dads?
Why is the bar so high on your neck, and your hips so far forward? looks painful.
No thanks. I've gotten hurt before by squatting deep. I like to have the bench so I know I won't go down too far. If I only did squats for my legs going deep would be more crucial. But I use the leg press and do deadlifts (regular and Romanian) , and do calf extensions.
What did you hurt, and what do you consider "deep"?
Is that a squat rack, or one of those fancy bar slider doo-dads?
Why is the bar so high on your neck, and your hips so far forward? looks painful.
Those are Smith machine squats. They're not painful at all. They just require different form . I hurt my knee going "ass to grass".
Upper body today, post-surgery best with the repaired shoulder on three exercises--it's now back to 100 % on those. Still lagging on overhead press and a few others.
Shot a lot, tried to wear the new Pup out-failed-then ate ice cream, Chambersburg peaches and white nectarines. Chambersburg peaches and white nectarines are some of the best.
been trying to sprint interval over 1.5 miles this summer 2x per week. have failed miserably looking back over my charts I'm averaging 1x per week, that don't hardly cut it.
been trying to lift 4 days a week and am averaging 2x
working 65 or more hours a week doesn't seem very conducive to my workout schedule.
so in summary, since I'm doing about half of my goal, I guess you could say I'm going about it half azzed.
and I'm at the point now I need to change up and start hauling weight on my back. Moose quarters don't seem to be getting any lighter as I age.
Cortisone shot in the ankle yesterday, lower body/core today, felt good. And based on Moose Mike's recommendation from the other thread, I ditched my usual post-workout pint of vodka and had a protein shake instead.
Cortisone shot in the ankle yesterday, lower body/core today, felt good. And based on Moose Mike's recommendation from the other thread, I ditched my usual post-workout pint of vodka and had a protein shake instead.
I feel like a new man. Depart next Thursday.
Glad to hear it. Today was deadlift day for me. With the way my shoulder feels right now I was tempted to ditch my protein shake for a pint of Vodka. But I stayed true.
Seven and a half month's post rotator cuff surgery here. Shoulder feels great now, it's close to 100%, but I'm pretty sure I exacerbated the problem lifting weights before the surgery.
Things are moving along nicely and the new Pup is walking at heel side by side with Toby.
Have a couple fun cell phone videos with his first swimming lesson along with running thru the fields, but don't know how to transfer video from cell phone to here.
I had put out signs with no response for 4 days. A neighbor of the owner finally called us and notified the owner (lives about 3 miles away) Owner was still not aware the dog was even missing.
My wife is a little pissed. We had become attached to him but I guess he needs to go home.
I'm really surprised how much bench pressing has helped my recoil tolerance. Last summer I'd wince at the thought of shooting my .30-06 with 220 grain bullets . This summer, after bench pressing twice a week for six months I have a lot of chest and shoulder muscle and shooting my open sighted, metal buttplate, 760 Gamemaster with 220's doesn't even bother me. I had quit bench pressing for twenty years and now I realize what I was missing. I sold my .338 last year because I couldn't handle the recoil. Now I wish I had it.
Screwed around with the weights, but got in a total of 40 chin ups rather quickly. So, will call it an arms day.
1 hour plus walk/jog with the pup. The plus was letting him chase a few Rabbits that were out. One was a fairly good race across an open area and the chaser was gaining ground until the chased made it to the wood line.
Set up another trail cam yesterday but forgot my USB cable so I had to go back today to check some other cams. A couple miles each way and a couple thousand vert feet. I think the new Asolo Fugitive GTX boots are going to be keepers.
Past six weeks: 140 miles hiked with 40 pounds on my back.....elk beware.....grin! Staying right on my target body weight of 175 pounds. The diet part is always the biggest challenge for me.
Past six weeks: 140 miles hiked with 40 pounds on my back.....elk beware.....grin! Staying right on my target body weight of 175 pounds. The diet part is always the biggest challenge for me.
+1 to that. Not only do I like to eat, my wife is a hell of a cook and likes to cook. I'm down 28lbs since January and will drop 4-6 more before I leave for CO then WY.
Yesterday 58 minutes hiking with 38lb pack on the biggest of the small hills we have around here. Have been doing about that alternating with running 1.5-2 mi for a few months now. I won't be ready, but I'll be a hell of a lot closer than I was last season.
Past six weeks: 140 miles hiked with 40 pounds on my back.....elk beware.....grin! Staying right on my target body weight of 175 pounds. The diet part is always the biggest challenge for me.
Life is too short to deprive yourself of the "little" things (diet). ;-)
Luckily I'm blessed with an extremely high metabolism!
Luckily I'm blessed with an extremely high metabolism!
And you are what age?
39. Yeah I know, it's slowed a smidge.
Your not even close to slow.
At 39 I could eat just about anything and not gain weight. If you are normal slow is still waiting for you. Thing is you can beat it, but it may require a little dedication.
Then again, you may never have a problem, but most do.
Last night 3mi with 38lb ruck, picking the hilliest spot I have nearby and looping up and down that. Average pace was high 16-minute mile. Not EIB standard, but not bad given the hills and my knees....
Tonight 2-mile interval run with 6-8 mins walking before and after followed by copious stretching.
I can read a cook book and gain weight, btw. I can watch the food network and gain weight. If I look at one of the recipes my wife finds on Pinterest, I'll gain weight. Don't even have to eat it, just look at it! I'm 40 this spring and it is already harder than it used to be to slim down and tone up.
I've seen the pics, but don't want to steal his moment. I will tell you it is a damn nice Dall and will be worth the wait to see them and hear the story.
Yep. I wear straps for the hang versions done in circuits. Folks hate on straps, but I'm training explosiveness and endurance in the circuit and don't want grip to limit it.
When done from the floor and not in a circuit I use a regular hook grip. Scott mentioned above about loosing his grip on the deadlifts...hook grip can help there but is a pain (literally) for a while.
I have straps but reluctant to use them. Gonna try alternating grip next time. If that doesn't work then I'll dig out the straps.
I've never used straps for deadlifts. Alternating grip will help a lot. It stops the bar's tendency to roll out of your grip. If you like a normal overhand grip (or you can even do it with an alternating grip), use the hook grip...but it does hurt until you do it for a while.
I hear you on having your grip limit your workout. That's one aid the "coaches" don't allow at the gym I work out in. Been more than a few times it would have been a big help to me. The hook grip works great! I just have a real hard time doing it with my left hand. I broke my left thumb on the growth plate when I was 12. It's a bit shorter than the other...
Seen it so many times. Someone reaches the pinnacle of their chosen sport and then let it slip away. All that hard work gone. Gone for blueberry pancakes, pizza, beer, biscuits and gravy....
Very sad....
One hour cardio and leg/triceps evolution.
2 scrambled eggs, bacon and a Belgium waffle (butter and syrup)
Squats 265lb failed on 4th set but got the 5th. Get to try it again tomorrow at same weight. Bench 180lb - no problem - start of a deloaded cycle Barbell row - 150lb - failed on last 3 sets, form sucked. Probably due for a deload on this next. Weighted dips w/45lb plate - worked but got'em. Skullcrushers - failed on last set at 85lb Ab work sucks
If it's too easy, then add weight. I find an occasional body pump class really helps my endurance with heavy weight. I notice the difference when on hills and trying to maintain max speed for a distance when road biking and noticed it helped when I packed my last elk out. I usually do around 100 pounds on the squat set and also heavy on the lunge sets.
I walked with fully loaded pack (45ish lbs) and shot the 3D course I've got set up in the woods behind my house. Two laps is a little over 2 miles depending on how many shots/retrievals I do per target. Wow! I was tired and the first 3 or 4 shots were not well executed as I was thinking "pack" rather than shooting form.
I don't know why I haven't done this sooner. I've always "trained" with my pack or "practiced" with my bow but not both at the same time. I think the remainder of my bow practice before I leave for the elk woods will be with pack on.
Bikes and treadmills and weights are nice but this was the real nuts and bolts of the hunt.
If it's too easy, then add weight. I find an occasional body pump class really helps my endurance with heavy weight. I notice the difference when on hills and trying to maintain max speed for a distance when road biking and noticed it helped when I packed my last elk out. I usually do around 100 pounds on the squat set and also heavy on the lunge sets.
I meant it was easier to get up at 430 on a work day and go to the gym than I thought. The work out hurt as usual. I am near max for completion on all segments except shoulder. I have a partial RTC tear on the left.
I run the trail at work for 1 1/2 mile. I have a rock stashed there that weighs maybe 50 pounds or a bit more. I squat down and pick it up, press it overhead, then throw it forward. I throw it 5 or 10 minutes one way. The I turn around and throw it back to where I started. Then I stash my rock and run back to the office.
I can't even come close to getting him. All he has to do is parade the Dall and I'm playing catch-up.
Leg/arms yesterday. Bud's sons wedding last night. Women? Oh my!!!! It was a pageant.
Kitannning area my collapse under the acorn crop. Cousin is out of town and filled up his feeder. There must have been 500 acorns on his deck. Last BP hike around here they were everywhere.
Pump and attack yesterday.......I am feeling really good. Amazing how I continue to gain plyometrically, static and dynamic balance, and control of my body in space. Was in a real hole and didn't even know it
I have a competitive bone and have thought about it, but doubt if I will do so. Have a lot of other addictions to feed, so post all you want. I will enjoy seeing it every time and will send a silent mind congrats your way at the same time.
10 mile hike with 25 pound pack with the girls around the backcountry north of Nederland, some place called Caribou ranch and Mudd Lake. Got poured on, thank God for Gore-Tex stayed high and dry at least from the waist up! Big props to my 7 year old who handled it like a pro. Mamma has raised her and her older sister to be BMW's Burley Mountain Women!
Just took the dog for a few miles walk. He's nine, and his glaucoma finally caught up with him. He's blind in one eye and the vet says the pressure has gotten to the point where it's painful so we'll be taking him in to get the eye removed next week, poor guy.
Been doing my regular routine of lifting and running the bleachers. I've started mixing in some sprints of 100m, 200m, and 300m. Just trying to improve the cardio. Once my pack arrives I will start hiking with some weight.
5:36. Box dips with feet behind me. Last time (2/2/15) was 4:57, but bench dips with feet in front of me. I couldn't do the box versions unbroken and I know I could on the bench. Probably why I was slower. Did get 16 reps unbroken on the cleans.
Fighting a sinus infection over the past week so finally back at it today. Deloaded 10% on squats and overhead presses, kept deadlifts on track. Squats - 5x5 245lbs OHP - 5x5 105lbs Deadlifts - 1x5 285lbs Decided not to do chins and curls. Didn't want to wear out too quickly on my recovery. Swim tomorrow.
Last night was a couple hours of non-stop stacking of square bales in a loft. We did have a conveyor that would bring it from the back of the trailer to the loft opening so that was nice.
Yea. One hour for each of the four games the Pirates just slapped the Colorado Rockies silly. Looked like there were more Pirate fans in the stadium than the home team.
They could use your help. Time to come out of retirement? Sure as hell couldn't hurt their bullpen.
Hell, I can get cranked up on a can of soda when things are right. Something extra special happens I'll have a rye or two if available. Other than that, don't need it.
One more week of the Stronglifts 5x5 routine then switching back to run/bike/swim because I do those in the morning leaving evenings for archery hunting PA and NY. Plan to switch to Starting Strength program thru winter (less volume than 5x5)and continue limited S/B/R. It'll make it easier to be ready for next fall's elk hunt.
I'm pretty sure our course was a bit shorter than 100m. The goal was to stay consistent and run hard. I was at 13sec except for two where I dipped to 14 sec. If you've not done sprints in a lot of years give it a try. I'm amazed at how sore I am already...
Just about done ...maybe a class on Monday. I wish I had more miles under the pack but it is what it is at this point. Friday I will go from West TN to 11500' in the San Juan. Hope I'm the only one up there. HD
7 minutes of: 225-lb. deadlifts hand release push-ups Rest 5 minutes Then, following the pattern of 2-4-6-8, etc. reps, complete as many reps as possible in 7 minutes of: 155-lb. power cleans Air squats
I got in the round of 12s for the first couplet and 8s + 2 for the second.
Took the last two weeks off to drive 1/2 across the country to shoot and elk, then drive back. Got back early and was just lazy. Tried to change that this morning.
Complete 32 intervals of 20 seconds of work followed by ten seconds of rest where: • the first 8 intervals are inverted rows, • the second 8 are push-ups, • the third 8 intervals are sit-ups, and finally, • the last 8 intervals are squats.
Lowest rep count for each exercise is totaled for the score. I scored 28.
3 or so years ago we were corresponding about lifting and you gave me estimates for your max lifts. These numbers have you putting 250 lbs on your "score" in that time. I'd say that's some nice improvement!
Carl- Thanks! I was also being a bit 'generous' in those estimates as I didn't want to look like a wimp. The lift I'm most disappointed in the bench press. It's WAY lower than what I did in high school. That said, we only do that lift a few times a year, with the programing I'm on. Guess I need to start spending a few nights a week doing some pushups.
I was hoping for 1200, but didn't think I'd quite get there. The deadlift put me over the top. Happy day.
Now I really need to work on the gas tank and waistline...
Monday: Cleans Circuit 1, 1 min rest between rounds: Hang Snatches Box Squats DB Milt Press Lat pulldown Circuit 2, 1 min rest between rounds: Lunges Dips Shrugs Abs
Tuesday: Footwork drills and sprints
Wednesday: Snatches Circuit 1, 1 min rest between rounds: Hang Cleans High bar squats DB Bench DB Rows Circuit 2, 1 min rest between rounds: DB Incline Pullups Hyperextensions Abs Neck
lol... No noodles or eggrolls, but I could sure put a hurtin' on some of those right now.
That's the thing about circuits and most any short rest training....if you do it hard enough, you'll end up in a puddle of sweat...and sometimes puke...no matter how good your conditioning.
Took most of last week off as I tweaked something in my right calf. Seems better now, but am now dealing with chest congestion/asthma. Went to the gym this morning anyway...
"Grace" 135# Clean and Jerk - 30 Reps 4:17
Rest 5 min
"Isabelle" 135# Snatch - 30 reps 5:55
I was about 30 secs slower than PR on Grace, but that was mostly me pacing as I knew the second 1/2 would be harder. Not my best performance, but not unhappy with it either.
I think the farmer walk is highly underrated. I like to grab a couple of 30's, get on the treadmill and knock out a mile without putting them down. You can go as fast or slow as you want, it's humbling.
I think the farmer walk is highly underrated. I like to grab a couple of 30's, get on the treadmill and knock out a mile without putting them down. You can go as fast or slow as you want, it's humbling.
It is. The one's I did were awkward because of the length and balance. I plan on doing more of them, just lighter weight and longer distances.
Can't remember where I read it, heck maybe on this thread, but I read where a sheep hunter got in shape pushing a loaded wheelbarrow.
Sorry Pointer, couldn't resist. Had wrist surgery 8 weeks ago, been in a cast ever since. Getting it off on Tuesday, looking forward to being two-handed again.
Side note, I had general anesthesia and was under for 3 hours. That stuff does a number on your lung capacity for a few weeks post-surgery.
Well its sure not 2014 (or 2015) anymore but hunting season is over and I did just enough during hunting season to maintain my strength numbers on the bench press and deadlift. I'm afraid I let my squats suffer as its very hard to hunt with sore quads. But now I can go back to full training and increase my power numbersn
I've been hitting the BeachBody DVDs. Getting ready to start P90x3 when it shows up. Also running. I'll start some barbell work a bit closer to hunting season.
Still going at it also, but figured most got tired of reading repeats.
Yep, especially when you talk about women ogling you. We all know that's bullsh**!!
In true campfire fashion, someone tries to act like they know something when they have never been there. You been in a gym when I was there? No, obviously. Is so when? Places you've been, things you've seen. No where did I hear that? Oh well, it is the so often way of this place and I've grown used to it.
However, sometimes I wish it would stop at ogling....
Still going at it also, but figured most got tired of reading repeats.
Yep, especially when you talk about women ogling you. We all know that's bullsh**!!
In true campfire fashion, someone tries to act like they know something when they have never been there. You been in a gym when I was there? No, obviously. Is so when? Places you've been, things you've seen. No where did I hear that? Oh well, it is the so often way of this place and I've grown used to it.
However, sometimes I wish it would stop at ogling....
Based on the tone of this...along with the mention of ogling....this should be moved to the optics forum.
I don't post anymore, I just follow this thread because of Pointer....
I don't post anymore, I just follow this thread because of Pointer....
He is a true inspiration for us all. Not since Take_a_knee jumped out of an airplane, or Battue won the 80 and over powerlifting competition have I been so inspired.