Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by MOGC
Fat redneck in the blue shirt that pulled the knife and screamed, "I'll cut your F'ing throat" while advancing on the biker crowd should count his lucky stars one of those young guys wasn't packing a CCW and didn't poke several 9mm holes through that blue tee shirt. Same might be said for the shotgun guy when he exits the truck with his gauge. It looked like a fist fight until the hardware gets displayed. There's so much stupid on both sides it's hard to sort out who is actually the most right and wrong.

He may be lucky he didn't get shot, but those college boys are lucky they didn't shoot.

You cannot claim justifiable deadly force if you are part of the agreesion before it went deadly.

These boys were the "agreesors" , when things got ugly and weapons and death threats emerged, the use of deadly force would not have justified, they would have been arested and convicted.

You cannot pick a fight, then claim self defense.

Well, that falls into the legal category of "imperfect self-defense." It doesn't get you off, like perfect self-defense, but will reduce a murder charge to voluntary manslaughter in many circumstances.

An example would be, you walk up to someone and push them hard, trying to pick a fight. He then draws a knife and charges towards you. You respond by drawing handgun and shooting him dead. A crime, because you initiated low level violence, but not murder, either, because the other guy "raised the ante" to lethal force without adequate justification.



imperfect self-defense as a qualified defense that may mitigate second-degree murder to voluntary manslaughter.[5] However, the doctrine can only be used where the defendant would have had a right to self-defense but for the fact that the defendant was the initial aggressor.[6]

Which these boys on bikes were indeed the aggressor.

Last edited by steve4102; 09/19/17.
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