Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by Tarquin
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by Tarquin
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by keith
Not LDS here, but I have the utmost respect for every one of them I have got to know. I was broke down up in the Utah mountains, they towed my truck 37 miles with a chain to someone that would open their repair shop and fix my vehicle, stayed with me till the job was done. They would not take one penny.

I knew a lot of LDS when I lived in Az, rode horses and hunted with a lot of them.

They deserve better than to be made fun of.


I agree.
They don't need to be made fun if, but they need those who actually care enough about them to tell them about the real God of the Bible and how to be with him someday


And who says you are a spokesman for the real God? You are competing with 1500 other Christian faiths for that title who are as insistent you're wrong as you are they're wrong.

I don't see it as a competition.
What I'm sharing is a gift ...."The gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.". Romans 6:23

That's One faith, regardless of what denomination may say on some other issues.
The other "faith" either adds to faith in Jesus, or takes away from Him. Those are basically the two faiths.
Grace is the kindness that God extends to us all through His Son Who purchased that gift by His own body on the cross.
When I was raised, I knew something about this, but never had anybody who took the time or knew how to show me from God's Word what He says about that.
Have you ever had that personal offer?


But others believe in the same Bible you do and see the salvific truth very differently. There is also the issue of baptism. It is an essential ordinance, but who has the authority? You see, you can't avoid the problem of "says who"?

I think that was already answered.
Jesus the Christ Himself explained to a master of Israel the ONLY requirement for salvation. He devoted half of a chapter to help you understand that.

You are born into this world so you, like everyone else, are condemned and in need of a savior.
You are incapable of saving yourself through baptism or any other good work. Baptism is a ritual much like circumcision was in the O.T. They were physical rituals established in order to demonstrate a spiritual reality. There were many of these, none of which could save.
"Believe" is mentioned exactly 100 times in that one gospel alone. It is emphasized to prove what God requires of you for salvation... No works of man, just that acceptable perfect sacrifice of His only begotten Son. That work was completely acceptable.
Do you believe that?
It was summarized in verse 18.


"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."



One scripture out of thousands and taken to out of context. Again, "says who"? 1500 Christian churches can't all be right!

Tarquin