Originally Posted by Beaver10
I fell down the rabbit hole watching YouTube videos where armed homeowners were shooting up their home interiors trying to hit intruders.

From what I saw, it was evident that a handgun wasn’t getting the job done, unless scaring the living shît out of the burglar was the only intention.

1-5 bad guys ranging in color from black to black (not stereotyping) just what was on the cameras...The variety of invaders all had one thing in common, besides skin color...They all could move like a panther lit on fire with incredible agility and quickness as rounds from homeowners handguns were tearing holes in sheetrock, doors, paneling, and furnishings.

It’s apparent a lot of people have a difficult time hitting a burglar within their home, even at close range...

Why? Besides coming apart mentally that someone is in their home, the spaces are small, and there is a lot of obstacles in the way of a clear shot.

Door jambs, walls, staircase, kitchen counters, furniture, etc, make for a very brief shoot window on a quick and nimble bad guy.

Getting off anything more than a snap shot before the burglar disappears behind a wall, or through a doorway, or down a hall juking and sliding trying to get out of the house was the norm from what I watched.

Made me think the average homeowner might do better with a gauge as their choice for home protection.

Caveat. Some may consider scaring the bad guys away with missed shots is a win. YMMV.


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It's a training problem and a shotgun isn't going to help that.

The real problem is, most people don't believe they have a training problem. They've never done low-light, they've never been in a shoothouse. They've never done force-on-force or been put under stress of a clock with an instructor yelling at them. Most are incapable of manipulating their weapons and the controls without looking at them. Under stress they are going to fumble with whatever is in their hands.


Originally Posted by simonkenton7
Hard to hit 'em with a pistol. Also hard to hit 'em with a shotgun.
We are not talking about 40 yards, where your buckshot might spread out over 4 feet.
We are talking about inside-the-house range. Ten feet, maybe fifteen. Before you change your defense arms over to shotguns, take your shotgun out and see what kind of pattern you get at 15 feet. I have tried it with a 20 gauge shotgun and the pattern was 1.5 inches. Hardly different from a pistol.


Yep. In tests we conducted with Federal Flite-Control, we're talking many yards beyond the old A, B and C Zones of buckshot before you get any appreciable spread beyond fist-sized patterns.


Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
You guys have a strange outlook on things.

I don't want to kill anybody.


Perhaps you have a better understanding of the aftermath than most here?


I didn't lose much sleep over shooting this guy. This was really a him or me situation that that played itself out in less than a minute. My advice is that if you decide that you need to confront a home invader, you need to be locked, loaded, and mentally prepared to use your firearm before he uses his.



Mindset is the most important part of the equation here. Without it none of the others things work.

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