Originally Posted by duck911
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by ltppowell
Anyone who doesn't know that a shotgun is the most effective, and safest, weapon in close quarters is ignorant or stupid.


Well the US Mil has 2 continuous decades of fighting in houses and the only thing they still use a shotgun for is breaching the door.

Shotguns are OK but the AR rules the real CQB world.


That's not exactly a fair comparison.

1) The shotgun is more of a specialty weapon in combat. Most individuals don't carry BOTH 5.56 and a shotgun regularly
2) Troops carry far more 5.56 ammo for their standard issue weapons, than shotgun ammo, so it stands to reason they'd quickly switch back to that which they are well stocked for
3) A house breech may lead them out a back door within minutes or seconds, where the 5.56 immediately makes more sense to have in hand

Let's turn the tables the other way. For those who have served, if you had the unfortunate situation where you breached a door to find an armed enemy, would you rather see a 5.56 or a 12 gauge in the enemies hand across the room from you?



The breecher is not the first one in. So mute question.. the first guy in will have an M4..

Last edited by 79S; 04/28/20.

Originally Posted by Bricktop
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.

Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.