Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by jackmountain

It’s not taking “God” out of everything.... it’s taking common sense, decency, civility and reality out of everything. God has nothing to do with it.


From what objective source are “common sense” (which I believe you and I would agree is NOT common), decency, civility, and reality derived?

Evolution and chance can explain where things came from but they can’t explain how things ought to be. From what source do we derive the deep and abiding sense of what is right, good, and beautiful?

These are questions I asked myself as I came to faith. Material science was insufficient to the task.

Again just my .02...


Multiple other religions teach the same basic tenets that non believers like me simply call civility and decency. It’s not exclusive to Christianity. Some of these religions predate Christianity by a millennium. Way too many contradictions within the teachings of Christ for me to go all in for blind faith.