Originally Posted by kingston
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by jackmountain

It’s not taking “God” out of everything.... it’s taking common sense, decency, civility and reality out of everything. God has nothing to do with it.


From what objective source are “common sense” (which I believe you and I would agree is NOT common), decency, civility, and reality derived?

Evolution and chance can explain where things came from but they can’t explain how things ought to be. From what source do we derive the deep and abiding sense of what is right, good, and beautiful?

These are questions I asked myself as I came to faith. Material science was insufficient to the task.

Again just my .02...


efw,

Why do these values need a source? Would it not be enough that they are shared?


The values exist outside of faith, and there's bucketloads of examples where faith has often contravinened them - it's called history. If anybody thinks all non-believers lack morals because they don't share theit belief system, the need to right royally fugg themselves with a pineapple.


Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by Raspy
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

Well?