Originally Posted by nighthawk
oldtrapper,
In that we cannot have full knowledge of the creator because he would necessary be a transcendent being, outside our experience, I would agree. But I think it is entirely reasonable that we can gain knowledge of the creator within the limits of our physical existence.

I like the modern refinement of the Thomistic proofs. More modern "proofs" from the expansion of the universe (and reversing that - big bang) are interesting. (Proof in quotes as there are underlying assumptions that I don't understand well enough) And while I don't consider "fine tuning" of physical constants to be a proof, they are a mighty big hint.



Perhaps where we diverge is that I believe we are not only constrained by our physical existence, but also our reasoning. Kind of like understanding classical physics but never quantum physics.
For me, constrained does not mean unable, but limited. The God of the Old Testament has, IMO as much as told us so.


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