Originally Posted by nighthawk
Oh yeah, almost forgot.
Originally Posted by Marley7x57
...and that he did not just "poof" exist.

That assume that the creator is subject to the constraints of time. Time as we understand it is a physical fact of the universe as we see it. Since the creator created the universe and hence the idea of time he cannot be constrained by time. So always existed is rational.


That is not rational. If it exists it is subject to time as he created it.

He created man and women in his image. They had reproductive organs as he did. So, he was created but instead of saying we do not know a whole new line of bullshit is offered up and church attendance goes down. For good reason, of course.