Originally Posted by Marley7x57
That is not rational. If it exists it is subject to time as he created it.

No no, you missed the point. What is time? It is a human construct, the way we order events in the physical world. A progression, like egg then chicken then dinner. A creator of the physical universe must exist outside the physical world (or he'd have to create himself which is nonsense). Since time exists only in the physical universe by definition a creator cannot be subject to time, time does not exist for him, he exists apart from the physical universe. So it is not irrational to say the creator always existed.


The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh

Which explains a lot.