Originally Posted by OldHat
Originally Posted by DBT

Science does not claim the Universe "popped out of nothing"....and logic demands a sound foundation evidence, upon which to build a case.

Of course it doesn't. Uneducated atheists who believe internet non-sense do.

We got 3 choices
1) Universe popped into existence out of nothing ... like magic.
2) Universe popped into existence out of nothing based on a supernatural and sentient first cause, AKA God.
3) We live by blind faith and say we don't know how the science works.

There are no other choices. That's why you just avoid the topic.

Science requires empirical evidence to become science. The only empirical evidence which exists supports the beginning of space, time and matter at a single point projected into the past using mathematics. There is EMPIRICAL evidence which supports this. There is no EMPIRICAL evidence which supports any other fantasy.

This allows only the 3 choices above as the set of belief systems for a first cause using logical exclusion.




I was surprised by your option 2 - I thought it was going to be aliens, maybe that can be option 4?


Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by Raspy
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

Well?