I don't know what to tell you John and Rick..... Me and just about every military sniper I know have the same issues with Leupold. Every military sniping course I know of reports the same issues. I see it in every class. Rifles only reports the same issues. There are posts constantly on this sight alone of Leupold problems.
The same problems as this.......
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Both the Nightforce and SWFA have errors so low as to be totally within the tolerance of the rangefinder (PLRF 15). The brand new Leupold Mark 4 has nearly a 6 % error through 25.25 MOA adjustment. It also has the now famous Leupold canted reticle. On top of that it did not return to zero after the 25 1/4 MOA adjustment. It was .5 MOA off.
Again I like Leupold. They make a good to very good hunting scope. Their fixed power scopes are excellent. But I don't ignore the fact that they have a significantly higher rate of scopes that do not track correctly, adjust correctly, and adjust consistently.
What's being touted here by the Leupoldites is fanboy ism. Plain and simple. I'm not a fanboy of any of them. I'll be the first to say the S&B is having some issues with some of their scopes right now. I wouldn't choose to shoot US Optics either. But there are companies that have a better track record of producing scopes that just work.
The coyotes and the mile group prove nothing. Everyone claims their Leupod works perfectly..... Until we run the exact same test as above.
Oh Boy.
Formidilosus,
I think you are pretty good guy so it will be interesting to see how you handle this situation.
Your test is flawed because you don�t understand the difference between Mils, MOA (Minutes of Angle), and IPHY (Inches Per Hundred Yards).
7 Mils will move your POI 25.2 inches at 100yds, as you say.
25.25 MOA will move the POI 26.43 inches, not 25.2 inches. There is a 5% difference between MOA and IPHY. A lot of guys think they are the same but there is a difference and if you wish to play the LR game it all matters.
If you wish to move the POI 7 Mils with an optic that adjusts in MOA then you need to dial in 24 MOA, not 25.25 MOA.
That MK 4 is working properly.
The coyotes and the mile group prove nothing. Everyone claims their Leupod works perfectly..... Until we run the exact same test as above.
I would be willing to bet every Leupold would fail that test.
If you don't mind me asking, what is your rate of return on the Greybull Precision Leupolds you sell? If I'm using the improper tense in regards to the scope sales, and I should be speaking in past tense, please correct me.
Past tense in regards to Greybull Precision. Present tense in regards to scope sales.
I have had to return 3 scopes because the turret spit the backlash O-ring. That is by far the most common real �failure� with the Leupolds.
The scope on my personal .264 Win Mag was a return from a rather famous riflemaker. I figured now I was going to see firsthand a real tracking issue but alas the optic worked perfectly and it is the one in the 1 Mile picture and I will be hunting with it again this fall.
Really good presentation. NF and Zeiss is all I use after a few Leupold breakdowns.
Interesting.
