having read this whole thread, i find it intresting that some people cant get along with a leupold scope, i dont claim to be a great long range shot, but have made some long shots over the years of hunting,i am sure i hunt more than 99% of the people on this thread as i hunt 8 months of the year every year,and my scoped guns get more travel time in rough condtions than most guns ever see, i have never had a leupold scope fail me. i have always been suprised that i dont get the break downs other people talk about, but they just dont happen, and my rifles get the hell beat out of them, on horse back, in and out of jeeps & trucks,covered with mud and dirt, i just take a soft paint brush and clean them off and keep useing them,if i told you how many game animals i take a year you would call me a liar, but its over 1000 animals a year. use what works for you but i will keep my leupolds. rio7