The failing of the church is selling conversions as a shield of God against worldly suffering, earthly rewards for faith.
Man had it wrong so Jesus came to set the correct example, he didn't come cause man was doing it right... and then man almost immediately started down the path of doing it wrong again.
Jesus came to show how unimportant worldly suffering, hardship, persecution, torture, physical death are, compared to faith and spiritual resurrection. What God can give us here is the will to endure and the strength of fearlessness, spiritual peace/relief regardless of pain/suffering/persecution.
Jesus' church is lead through the Holy Spirit, not a pulpit, not some man's words, not confined in a book.
God left man here on earth with free will, individual man and man as a whole, the chit that happens to us here isn't on God nor will he save you, it's on man and self inflicted.
I’m always glad when you participate in these discussions. Your insight and knowledge and contributions are refreshing.
+1, to both of you.
+2, antlers and krp are both solid guys who can share their faith reasonably without the accusatory hate filled rhetoric HC and his ilk resort to.
Faith? Faith in what?
Gal 1:8 "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed."
