Man, all of this "us vs: them"crap. Why is it that "management" is only concerned with raping the employees and taking big bonuses as a result? Believe it or not, there is room for advancement without having someone else negotiating it for you. I have not ever had a union job, and after having seen friends nearly starve because some "line" separated them from their income, I really have to wonder who's the winner. It's amazing how many union employees think it's the union who pays their pension when they retire, as well as their benefits when they are working. Look at the fine print and read both letters before you make a decision based on someone else's "information". I have to go with Pumpgun and Stick too. Seen too much grief initiated by proxy to feel that my livelihood would be best served by someone else's ideas.