Now for the Loony types who have kept up w/my thread here on the Opportunity for Winchester to go head to head against Remington's 7mm-08.
We can crunch numbers all day long w/bullet weights but let's stick to common weights deer hunters use in the 270 - the 130, and 7/08 users run - the 140.
I ran some numbers w/various bullets per someone's proposal on ammo choices that I agreed with on loads to intro a new round in 270-08.
130 ~ 2950 mv
110 ~ 3200 mv
85 ~ 3400-3500
Granted Speed sells and if one wanted to use the lighter two bullets to impress in Muzzle Velocity, it may be great for marketing, here is how I see pitting a 270-08 against the 7/08 Real World comparison.
A 270 is a known killer on deer, and in a package wrapped up Short like the famous 308 Winchester, yet w/o Magnum recoil. Hence the 270-08.
We can call it any of the below, OR whatever the marketing guru's decide:
270 WPE Winchester Pony Express (yeah, just use your rider on a horse logo)
270 SS Pony Express (Super Special " ")
270-08 Winchester Express
Yada Yada Yada
Now you Loony types here, let's assume how I see Real World Use.
Guy grabs a 7mm-08 for deer hunting, plans to run factory ammo, and says to his self, "140 grain is THE bullet weight - perfect on deer, and the Corelokt is proven - THE way to go."
Ok, let's also consider the 270/130 is THE standard load that made the 270 Winchester popular.
Let's Compare what a NEW round like a 270 Pony Express would look like, directly against a 7mm-08 Remington 140 Corelokt load. Assume both 24" test barrels.
270-08 with 130 gr. Nosler Accbond at 2950 fps. This is Speed/Energy/Drop w/200 yds Zero. Ballistic Coefficient is .435 and Sectional Density .242 for load.
270/130 Accbond/ 2950fps: (Winchester 270-08 130 gr. Ballistic Silvertip!)
Muzzle 2950 2512
100 1.6 -6 2736 2161
200 0.0 0 2533 1852
300 -7.0 9 2339 1579
400 -20.4 19 2154 1340
500 -41.3 32 1977 1129
Now take the 7mm-08 Rem w/140 Corelokt at Factory Specs. B.C. is right from Remington catalog online - .390 and S.D. is .248. Published specs are:
Velocity (ft/sec)
Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
Remington� Express� 140 2860 2625 2402 2189 1988 1798
Energy (ft-lbs)
Cartridge_Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
Remington� Express� 140 2542 2142 1793 1490 1228 1005
Long-Range Trajectory
Cartridge Type Bullet 100 150 200 250 300 400 500
Remington� Express� 1.8 1.6 zero -3.1 -7.8 -22.9 -46.8
Ballistic Calculator used for first example above shows the 7/08:
7mm/140 Corelokt/2860 fps
Muzzle 2860 2543
100 1.8 -7 2627 2145
200 0.0 0 2407 1800
300 -7.8 10 2198 1501
400 -22.8 22 1999 1242
500 -46.6 36 1811 1019
So what I see is a round that offers BETTER ballistics than Rem's 7-08 baby w/hallmark 140 Corelokt ammo, with LIGHTER recoil. One might give up 100 fps in the 'Pony Express' 270-08 vs. a 270 Winchester, both in 130gr loads, BUT gains a handier short action rifle
In addition, a 110 Accubond and/or Barnes can run around 3200 mv to impress speed freaks, AND flatten deer, with less recoil yet.
AND you can go one step further for lighter recoil and use an 85 TSX Barnes at 3400-3500 (max) or less, and kill deer all day long to a good 300 yds or so, which MOST beginners likely won't shoot 1/2 or 1/3 that far as their mentor's will set them up on closer shots often times starting out.
Lastly, a Sierra 90 gr. HP can be factory loaded to Devastate varmints like coyotes at 3400-3500 fps.
SO gang, HERE you have it.
A round that from inception will DELIVER the goods unlike the 260 that was spec'd at 2750 w/140 and upon introduction, ran about 2550 mv w/first ammo production, getting the 260 off to a horrible launch, besides which USA hunters/buying public as a whole never has been much interested in the 6.5mm/264s though it's slowly turning.
There is NO arguing the fact that the 270 is known as a great flat light recoiling deer round. Many view the 243 as a flat varmint and crossover dual purpose deer round, and IT IS, and a great one on deer WITH proper bullets. Yet History shows the reputation for MANY, or Perception of the 243 on deer is lackluster.
The 308 Winchester - it stands on it's own for killing, yet it has MORE recoil than a 243/100gr load, 260/130-140 load, 7-08/140 load as it typically drives 150-168gr bullets for loads commonly chosen by deer hunters, and it even kicks more than a 270 Winchester 130 grain if not mistaken.
YET, if Winchester were So inclined to come out with a PRACTICAL SENSIBLE NON MAGNUM light recoiling flat shooting deer killing cartridge, I honestly believe a 270-08 makes ALOT of sense compared to the above rounds.
Recall Remington long ago comparing the 7/08 to the 280? Or how about the 260 to the 270 Winchester?
Well I think a campaign to compare the 270 in a short action 308 case sized platform is long overdue.
What say you Winchester? Wanna play to win?
OR do you want to see Rem spin off the 6.8 SPC and do a NEW round like their 6.5 and 7mm version on YOUR 308 Winchester baby?
Remington would likely go with the name 6.8mm -08 to keep the 6.8 name in the limelight pushing the SPC round for AR/M-16 platform, while positioning a 6.8mm -08 in bolts/levers, single shots, and Non-AR semi-auto's.
From one Loony, I can say I won't buy or use a 6.8mm ANYTHING (just don't like the name personally), but if a 270-08 WINCHESTER hits the market, then I will be using. In fact, I am sure Winchester will send my the first prototype/production along w/ammo for a thorough testing, and send me off to some exotic hunts to prove it's worth!
The future will be interesting to see if Winchester OR Remington will do a 270-08!
Now here comes my 'Shellacking' LOL
BTW, if Winchester Management wants to hire me to run Marketing, send me a PM. Seriously! Otherwise, I will send you a bill for my INNOVATION in Profitable Product Design complete with full Marketing Campaign
Contact me and we will hammer out the final details of my employment contract and my current and future marketing ideas.
