John, sure they made rifles and ammo w/Remington's headstamp.

Something alot of readers missed here, inc. Steelhead.

Above I said we would all be using 223s w/Barnes if all that mattered was using something that killed. I never said headstamp killed better.

What I have been talking about is WINCHESTER mfg. a new round, in a bore size that will be successful, in a non magnum platform housed in a short action.

Deertracker - the Redding is a 270-08 AI, that's different.

No Knees- personally I like a Howa more, build quality and action design, safer trigger and a one piece bolt/handle assembly.

Keith, what in the field can your 7/08AI DO on game, that cannot be done by a 260, 270-08, or a 7/08 using suitable bullets?

I find it ironic Ruger for a VERY long time was not making the 7/08. It sure seemed they did not want to acknowledge the round and lose sales in their rifles in other chamberings. No doubt, now Ruger is ALL but dropping the 260 Rem, while pushing the joint collaboration of Hornady's ballistic twin, a newbie on the block - the 6.5 Creedmoor.

MM - sure put some #s up and show me where the 130 corelokt 270 is vastly inferior, or that a 140 AB in 7mm is vastly superior. They all work. Never heard of a deer lost b/c it was hit w/a corelokt or Accubond hit thru vitals.

YET, again, MM, as I said, Why would Winchester load ammo for a new round THEY introduce, by using Rem Corelokts - a competitor? They would NOT. Regardless, BC in any of the 130-140s in 6.5, .277, or 7mm are all close enough for use on the bulk of deer shots/ranges. They all work fine, and kill fine, when put thru vitals, period.

Kevin, the Gack is just that, but it's simply the fact that of all the rounds that have come out and failed, I see the 270 done on a 308 as a very USEFUL practical round for the average deer hunter allowing shooters of any size to handle the recoil and housed in handy carbines. The gack is not to SELL the round, but to show it's not going to fail for lack of ballistic performance on deer sized game at most common sane ranges.

Con - good post. The 338F was/is a great concept, yet I think deer hunters THINK 270, 7mms, and 30 Cal's for 90% of the time save for youth, where they typically use 243s, but sometimes would really go for a larger round, yet larger w/tolerable recoil. Some youngsters really would do better w/less than 7mm-08 recoil. No doubt it does not take more than a good bullet from 223 to 243 if shot well, but the 338F was a practical idea yet not a big seller.

Keith you talk about 26-29" bbls in rounds that will do a deer in at half a mile. Not what I am talking about accomplishing here. Not many youth/kids will tote let alone shoot a 257 Mag or 6.5RM AI - again Factory ammo, easy recoil/blast, handy rifle.

Jim62, sure a 140 in a good bullet will do as well as a 270 or 6.5 of same, ALL work, never said they would not. If one wants to get Apples to Apples, let's RUN the 270/08 against a 7/08 BOTH with 140 Accubonds.........not much difference to spit.

MY point of a 140 Corelokt- that's what the 7/08 built it's reputation on, b/c it WORKED. The 130 AB in a 270-08 will do the same and then some, giving up nothing, so there is Nothing it's giving up to the 7/08 corelokt, and in reality EITHER with ANY deer bullet WILL kill fine all day long, when used properly.

Not running a horse race or pissing contest on ballistics here.

It seems ONE responder read my entire posts as he complained of a headache - sorry it was over the top for you. Yet other's must have skipped reading it as they somehow in error believe my premise of a 270-08 lies in some 'Magic Mystery Round' w/Pixie Dust killing far superior b/c of it's ballistic advantage.

NOT, re-read this and other posts of mine, inc. all other threads in my past. Headstamp does not kill as Steelhead says, as if I said that - NEVER implied.

The headstamp on the ammo, and rifle DOES however sell products.

That is what I am talking about. And seeing Winchester produce s sibling to it's 308 Pet, smack dab in the middle more or less, of it and the 243. Hmmm, add 243 + 308 = .551/2 = .2755. WOW, cannot think of ANYTHING more right IN the middle of the highly popular 243 and 308, one side seen more a varmint supreme by many hunters while the other more a sniper/military/tactical round, both crossing over on deer.

What OTHER caliber is closer to the .2755 number? Anyone? Anything closer than .0015?

The .277 - yes, that is THE closest to being DIRECTLY in between the 243 and 308.

But I digress, again...The headstamp on the ammo, and rifle DOES not kill, BUT it will sell products.

Do I need to repeat myself? LOL.

IF rifles are produced w/quality and affordability, as well as ammo, I think it will do fine. Even Hornady is smart enough to price their new 6.5 at a price that won't scare those considering on testing the waters.

Personally I'd rather use a 270-08 than nearly all of what's come out in last decade. Same proven bore size as the 85 yr old original, at about 95% the speed, all wrapped up in a short action package. With as many 243 and 308 fans, it seems that being directly in the middle, cannot be a bad place to be, a balanced round w/Pro's of each.

You ALL may disagree, but I think purely from a sales and marketing standpoint, for deer hunters who use factory ammo/rifles, this round has more potential than ALOT/MOST of what's been introduced in the past few years. Fact is, 95% of potential market is not made up of Loony's like us here.

Guys use what you want, I am sure ANY, EVERY, and ALL future new rounds many of you will say boring, as you have already picked your favorites and that's fine. I have no stake in this, but it WILL be interested if a mfg. does bring this round out how it fares.

I realize alot of folks here are not open to new ideas (even if PO Ackley had it DECADES ago), and it's ok if you see things differently.