buffhunter/ my point exactly..if one cannot keep shots in a tight kill zone (7 inches) in the field, regardless of the yardage, keep the bullet in the chamber. i love to hear about those 500 yard kills; never hear much bragging about the animals shot in the jaw or the rear hoof; woods have too many gut shot deer to encourage those who lack that rare field skill to make CONSISTANT 400 yd bang flops.