I'm in Ray's generation and grew up using irons. I wouldn't have a serious hunting rifle without irons. A deer rifle maybe but not any rifle for game that bits. I can't use them any longer due to macular degeneration but I can still see enough to hit something at 50-60 yards.with 2MOA accuracy. As an aside, a buddy went to Texas hunting elk last year. One of his rifles had a good set of irons. He said he amazed the young guys shooting "minute of small rock" at 300 yds with irons. They do work if you use 'em.