Originally Posted by hatari
Originally Posted by gregintenn
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You get the same bunch who voted for it when Obama was President to vote for it again. Between you and our representatives, I'm starting to think I'm one of a very few men left here who still has a pair.



You and your giant pair have missed the fact that once people got pre existing conditions covered and their premiums subsidized, they aren't giving them up.

Let me explain how your way works out now in 2017. Remember, this is not 2010, or even 2012 before the ACA took full effect.

The GOP sends repeal to Trump, Trump signs it, everyone with big balls celebrates.

The Democrats also celebrate, because they now will start busting those big GOP balls in Congress with an endless attack on how "millions lost coverage from the GOP" People who had pre existing conditions covered now don't. They now are Democrats for life. All those who got a break on their premiums now don't. They are all Democrats for life.

The GOP loses the Senate in 2018, and the margin in the House gets razor slim. The Dems keep up the relentless campaign shows old people and kids that are dying from uncovered pre existing conditions or inability to buy insurance. They beat that drum incessantly. They get a Bill Clinton type moderate sounding Dems to run in 2020, saying he'll restore that lost coverage, and work with everybody, and the world will love us again and we will sing Kum Ba Ya and the Democrats will sweep in to the WH, take the House and have 60 votes in the Senate. Then, Buster, we are truly screwed.

The GOP knows this, and they won't go for it.

Sorry.


There were winner and losers with Obamacare. The winners were mostly poor and the losers were mostly middle class. If a repeal/replace law is passed by the GOP there will also be winners and losers. The real question is whether there will be more winners than losers.

Yes, the Democrats will run lots of sob stories about the losers, but if there are substantially more winners, it may not matter because most of them will support what the GOP did. And most of those who benefited greatly from Obamacare already vote Democratic. What happens with the electorate ultimately depends on the results of the law. If premiums stop going up or the increases slow down significantly then it will probably be judged a success even if the number of people with insurance goes down somewhat.

Since the Democrats in the Senate have far more seats up for reelection than the Republicans in 2018, it's unlikely they can retake the Senate. They probably have a better chance of retaking the House since all representatives are up for reelection every two years.

There are a number of moderate Republicans who won't vote for anything without some subsidies and also protection for people with preexisting conditions. Because of that, any law that gets passed will include some provisions for those items. We'll have to see what they can pass. I don't agree that all is lost, but there's no doubt that Obamacare changed the terms of the debate: more and more people now view health care as a right and there is no way we can go back to the way it was in 2009.