Originally Posted by DocRocket
You apparently scoff at this, calling it "slightly higher" pressure. But there's nothing "slight" about a pressure difference of nearly 12,000 PSI, and that difference is going to translate into substantially sharper recoil and amplified blast experienced by the shooter, and markedly accelerated wear and tear on the gun.

Not from my experience. It would be interesting to hear what guns/loads were compared to come to that conclusion. I have my theories about how folks come up with that.


Originally Posted by DocRocket
Now, you can probably get away with the wear and tear on the gun if you want to.

I'd love to see someone prove that there is actually a long term difference between the two. Those angels are dancing again.


Originally Posted by DocRocket
Your assertion that "advances in bullet design" have made the .44 Magnum the equal of larger bore revolvers is utter nonsense. The fastest loads are still generated with powders in the same class, such as H110/WW296,and VV N110 (funny how VV named their heavy handgun powder with that number!) and they all still generate the same kinds of pressures (both maximum and pressure curve). If it were otherwise, we'd be seeing lower pressure numbers in the data, but we don't.

Read the table I posted.


Originally Posted by DocRocket
Your statement that "... the .44 does with slightly higher pressure, the .45 does with more powder" makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. In the first place, as I've stated already, it ain't "slightly higher" pressure. In the second place, you cannot, by any twist of fallacious reasoning or semantics equate this very much higher pressure to the use of a few more grains of powder in the bigger .45 case. The comparison is so ludicrous, it ain't even apples to oranges... it's like comparing apples to the Dow Jones price of United Fruit stocks.

I don't know how you figure that. I thought it was pretty obvious. When both cartridges propel bullets of the same weight to the same velocity, the .44 is doing it with less powder and more pressure, while the .45 is doing it with more powder and less pressure. I don't see how this can even be argued.


Originally Posted by DocRocket
Again: I don't give a rat's ass if you personally blow yourself up with overpressure .44 loads. You wouldn't be the first nimrod I've taken care of who's blown his hand up with hot loads (I've treated 2 of them, if you must know... and the second guy now goes by the nickname "Lefty"). And I don't give a rat's ass whether I "win" an argument with you here on the 24HCF.

Nonsense. I have never used, condoned or promoted the use of over pressure loads.


Originally Posted by DocRocket
But I do care, and care a lot, about the guy who's reading this thread and doesn't know the difference between someone who's truly done a lot of heavy handgun shooting and hunting and successful & safe load development, like jwp475, or Whitworth, or myself, and someone who doesn't know he's playing fast and loose with explosives, like you have declared yourself to be.

I care too. Which is why I have to refute misinformation when I see it. Do you really think you're talking to a moron here?