VLDs have never failed (not counting the 22 cal 80gr, it won't get through) to punch through elk shoulders for me, both near and far. Elk are heavier boned than grizzly.

I have no qualms with VLDs in grizzly county. The 180gr VLD sure put the smash on this grizzly. grin

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This one literally went feet up when the 180gr VLD punched both shoulders.

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John Burns

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