The way I keep seeing this discussion going is "What bullet should I use to shoot a bear defensively?", when what UncleJesse was asking was more like "I have Bergers in my gun for deer and elk- will they work to stop a bear attack?". So I will ask again: what about Bergers will cause them to fail in such a case? It isn't an agenda-driven question, as it doesn't matter to me what others choose, and I already know what I choose. Certainly who uses a particular product isn't determined by a thorough logical determination, but rather a heuristic and emotional process. That is why marketing works so well, and why propaganda works so well. Humans are far from rational, and in the final analysis, what we have confidence in has far more an effect on the outcome than anything factual.
