Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by derby_dude
Originally Posted by TF49
As,

Your assertions simply do not hold up. There are dozens of scholarly opinions about the historicity of Jesus.

Just look at the wiki, of all places, article below:

Most contemporary scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and most biblical scholars and classical historians see the theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted.[7][9][10][30][31][32] We have no indication that writers in antiquity who opposed Christianity questioned the existence of Jesus.[33][34] There is, however, widespread disagreement among scholars on the details of the life of Jesus mentioned in the gospel narratives, and on the meaning of his teachings.[14] Scholars differ on the historicity of specific episodes described in the Biblical accounts of Jesus,[14] and the only two events subject to "almost universal assent" are that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.[11][12][13]


Which Jesus are you referring to? Which messiah? Jesus was a common name back than and there were tons of messiahs.

Flavius Josephus was one of the more prominent historians of the Roman Jewish ancestry and he only mentions a Jesus once or twice in his many books. Seems if Jesus was that important he would have recorded more than a paragraph or two. He lived at right around the time of Jesus.

Josephus was a prominant 1st century Jewish historian. Born a Jew, he defected to the Romans, in fact was a friend of Titus, Roman Emperor Vespasian's son, who led the Siege of Jerusalem.

In his famous work, Antiquitie of the Jews, Book XVIII, Chapter III, he gives the account of the Lord before Pilate, the politics behind the scene and the condemnation of Christ to the Cross.

Not just a word or two, the whole story...

Read it, interesting stuff.

DF


Yes, I stand corrected, it was the Josephus reference that's considered a 4th century forgery by Eusibius.

As for Tacitus reference to Jesus, Tacitus was born in 56AD, 26 years after the supposed crusifiction, and the referencedpassage was written in 116 AD, 75 years, or 2 full generations later.....



AS, so tell me again. Do you really believe there is no basis for the historicty of Jesus? Really?

You see, blithely willing to throw out the opinion of many many scholars because, let me get this right: Because it does not fit your worldview?

And it seems to me that you are one to "champion" science. But only it if meets your dogmatic criteria.

Anyway, good night to all, I am, as AS puts iot, still laffin.

TF


The tax collector said: “Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner.” Jesus said he went home “justified.”