I will add this about me...I had to eat "a mean mess of crow" ( poke salad on the side!) when the .204 Ruger came out! I thought it was a 'stupid idea"...then I tried one, oops! It shot as flat as my 22-250 seemed to and recoiled less than the .223! I killed just "some" prairie dogs and other varmints with it. But I never shot a coyote with one, nor a deer or antelope. Some do.