Boom, I appreciate your sarcasism. But for me and I'm assuming others, it is great to see what others are doing and getting. Not having all day to mess around with loads and being relatively new to reloading (and not having a huge stockpile of powders lying around) it helps a lot see what powders are constantly popping up and what powders are being used without alotta published load data from manufact. And, maybe not for this thread, I like seeing how actual loads perform on actual game. Manufacturers website can blow all the smoke they want, but there is no substitute for first hand results, or in this case second hand accounts from those who did the tests. I heard all the BS about Barnes bullets performing at vel as low as 1600fps, but I have tested Barnes Org with an impact vel of about 2000 fps and got a bullet that simply went around corners, no mushroom. An ethical hunter should know his/her personal and gears limitations, and threads like this help in doing that.