You ask for "reasonable and logical discussion" after starting this thread with references to Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union? Why didn't ya throw Nanjing in there while you were at it?
You're clueless. If you want a decent discussion find a stand-in first or get a handle on your runaway sense of perspective.
Mistakes can amount to a tragedy, but mistakes we will have regardless. Your elitest ("It is impossible to have a logical discussion with someone.") drivel makes no points with me. Calling people stupid because they don't agree with your utopian slop is something must of us quit in junior high.
