Interesting stuff as always. Good arguements and a whole bunch of crap too. I knew the detractors would show. If any of you experts have or somehow get low enough to aquire a Leupold and it proves to be a piece of $%^&, pm me and I'll take it. I should have outlined that my main bitch was that most guys don't give a rats ass if joe sniper or mr competitor dislike an optic, but that seems to be where things go when a Leupold is mentioned. I've screwed em on my guns and abused the crap out of them. But, then, I'm just a joe hunter. Oh yeah, I hate pre 64 Model 70's. mtmuley
