Originally Posted by prairie_goat
You've shot one frigging bear, and come on here like you have some sort of a clue. How dare you question Phil.


Originally Posted by Sitka deer
This is really funny, knowing where you are getting your info... Over-moderation is a long way from an open forum. They only let you say your ridiculous stuff and strut because they make sure everybody gets to do the same without any questioning...

It is only when forced to defend statements that everyone gets to see how ridiculous they might be. Many will fail to recognize just how stupid a comment is until the right questions are asked of the poster.

That is actually a free forum... not some glee club for only those that want to hold hands and play nice.

Otherwise you end up with protected clueless idiots claiming to be ballistic gurus with no concept of spin dynamics. Or physicists claiming some unknown force goes into their gunsafe to move dry salt around.

Yeah, that is a great way to gain knowledge, for sure...


Originally Posted by prairie_goat
A quick Google search for Brown Bear hunting cartridges shows that you have posted up about your hunt on nearly every forum available. And that's about all you've posted about. We can forgive you for this, as maybe that's all you're interested in posting about.


You Googled me!? LOL. Pathetic. You didn�t� catch my 1987 deer hunt in NE Kansas? My 2002 pig hunt in New Mexico? My 1988 Kansas deer hunt? My 2004 Colorado hunt? My 2003 Colorado hunt? My 2009 Maryland hunt? My 2013 Virginia deer hunt? My 2012 combo hunt? The others? Shocking. It also doesn�t reflect my military experience with small, medium, and large ordinance taking out various objects with varying levels of success.

I spent a lot of time researching for my last AK hunt on the AK Outdoor forum (and found my guide on there) because I was researching an exceptional (for me) hunt. So I posted my results on that hunt. I�m not a bear-experienced guide, but my guide (involved on over 40 BB kills) thinks (wrong or right) that a decent caliber beginning with a �3� is the minimum for what he wants his clients to bring. He�s neither right, nor wrong, but that is his opinion and very many people agree (right or wrong).

The point isn�t about moderation or not. It�s about civility. It�s not an insane opinion that something starting with .30 cal. is a lower reasonable limit for a brown bear hunt. It�s about civility. Even if considered by some as too high, it�s not crazy. It�s even probably a majority opinion of guides and others. But, for some to disagree with that is fair game and they can make their case that it is a better view. But, the response is �how dare you� have an opinion. It�s a forum, not a singular opinion-killing publication where one view (even if a favorite) is the only view. Right? And anyone who has even a slightly different view is chastised by followers. A forum?

On other forums, I don�t get the level of incivility there is on here, where you are chastised, not because you are not civil, but because you with civility raise a view or question.

I can�t believe, unless you PG are a serial killer hermit, that you confront people in that same way in normal life. �You think the Spurs might beat the Heat? What! You jerk, Jackson already said that Heat are better. How dare you!?� Silly. People in normal talk don�t do that. It�s just geeky internet talk. You�re not that way in real life, right? You just do that on the internet?

As I said before, picking a minimum BB caliber is difficult and subjective because there is no caliber that will never kill a BB and there is no caliber that will always do so. So, it�s pretty subjective. But for one to take a reasonable mainstream view and then, of all things, PG Googles the source and trying to find a personal basis to attack a mainstream view is pretty silly.

I have two young boys, who occupy a lot of my time, as I take them shooting, go to baseball games, etc � I also spend 50-60 hours a week at work (the only reason I can hunt in AK) and provide for my family. Unlike many, whom I envy, I do dozens of hunts per hear in AK. One category of time I don�t have is to Google the experiences (obviously incomplete) of an internet poster with whom I disagree, to gain a geeky internet attack advantage. Trust me, I will never try to Google your life experiences PG to see if I can "get you" you publicly and to discount your mainstream views on caliber choice for a particular game. That would be silly and take away from real life. You took time out of your life to Google me? Pathetic. I have a view. You have a view (is it based on any experience?). It is what it is, but I�m not insane enough to Google you to try to �defeat� you on an internet forum. Writing this took way too much time, but I certainly would not Google you to try to gain a forum-attack to show whether something above or below a .30 cal. was a subjective reasonable BB minimum hunting caliber.

Phil has an opinion that is as good as any around, and I don�t think I even disagreed with him. But there are many exceptional guides who have minor disagreements about things, like subjective minimums. But no one �dare� discuss that here. On a "forum."