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'3rd,

Most have ZERO fhuqking inkling as to that which is both possible and reliably repeatable,as per whim. I often gun 900yd steel with a goodly smattering of different rifles,running the gamut in both bore size and case capacities,but can shoot CBS cleans upon same with better than a dozen rifles atta whack,as per my whim,in decent conditions(bolts,lever,selfshuckers). Matters not to me,if I dope an erector or slip a reticle to arrange that POA/POI correlation. Why folks fixate headstamps so much,at the total disregard for twist/throat/COAL harmony in relation to that which matters MOST and dat's simply boolits,is one of Life's MANY constants. With today's 60+ mph gusts,there's a hurdle or two tossed in the fray...but how "difficult" is it to walk away from a 900yd opportunity when it's blowin' 60mph+?!? Easy for me,though I cain't speak for others.

There's ALOTTA folks slummin' schit Riggin',that are rollin' dice on farrrrrrrrrrrrr lower percentage odds at 100yds,due tackle and "intellect". Than a good guy with good riggin' in good conditions at the 500+ yard line. Hell...I've very often seen me shoot Chickum Eggs and Claybirds at distances greater than that. Hint.

Never been tough to cypher who shoots and who don't,which is prolly a handy "tidbit" to factor in extrapolation.(grin)

I never have,nor would I ever encourage someone to shoot past their abilities,understanding or Riggin'. Have seen me be a proponent however,of obscene round count and giving rifles,boolits,mounting systems and glass more than a casual thunk. Spent primers remain THE Supreme Tutorial,but a quickaloo check for honest folks,is to simply go hasty MPAJ on an empty chamber and break the trigger at the distance of enthrallment. With good dope,good riggin' and a fhuqking clue...live rounds will go to the same place. If you can't hold it on an empty chamber,you sure as fhuqk won't be able to with a live round either. Pass the attempt and get set up better BFD. Hint.

Elk die easier than lotsa thangs and happen to have big vitals. Dealin' death,is hardly "daunting" there.

If folks ACTUALLY shot as "much" as they "think" they do and "knew" as much as they "think" they do...this mind numbing STUPIDITY wouldn't arise with such alarming regularity.

It ain't the Indian,as much as the arrow...but beware the BEST Indian with the BEST arrows. Seen it.

Hint...................(grin)















Dre',

I reckon 600yds is a fixture due to some formal Target Disciplines that share a like engagement distance,as well as BDC/CDS Bullschit,amonst other Myths,Wivestales and outright Delusions.

With 7 seconds of Instruction and assumin' a gent with a clue,it's impossible to miss a milk jug at the 600yd line,in anything nearin' "fair" atmospheric conditions. Have handed off my wares 100's of times,to arrange similar and the only one who weren't "surprised",was me. There's method to the madness. hint.(grin)

The ONLY way to get good in less than ideal conditions,is to purposely chase same...just TO shoot in it. That glaring obvious escapes all. Hint.

Stupid Fhuqkers,reliably do STUPID schit and you can count upon the sanctity of that hilarity bein' a CONSTANT. Note how often BOOBS cite a headstamp,but never a particular boolit and when they do attempt projectile selection,just how badly it's fhuqking BOTCHED. Reread this very Thread from the start and note the HILARITY. Not so "surprisingly",you'll note how deep you hadta' dig,before a specific projectile was even cited. That poignant profundity is more than a "little" telling and DUMB Fhuqks can only talk in veddy veddy broad generalizations. Hint.

Not all chamberings are "equal" in all rifles. Hint.

Why?!? Twist/throat/COAL run the gamut in Make to Make. A rifle can be no better than the BEST boolit it will align and them differences are welllllllll beyond STARK. Hint.

Few have an understanding of BC and it's inherent virtue(s),though everyone "thinks" they do...which is funnier than fhuqk! Take the above DUMB Fhuqk who's stumped with plainly cited Facts and Physics. The itty-bitty Creed and 143ELD stomps the 300Winny 180NPT at the 600yd line. She couldn't handle the notion of the .697BC 147ELD at 2700fps chambered same.(grin)



Let alone a S/A 260AI squirtin' same at 2900fps ala binderless DBM and a 6x MQ. The Creed' will just "happen" to arrange an inordinate amount of Greatness,due nothing less than well executed mechanical design,where Theory pales to Application. It sounds good,but is quite a bit better than it sounds. Nice place to be as well,in that the projectiles that grant same,were constructed to have the mettle requisite to harness them impacts. Win/win/win.

Coming full circle,you've VERY obviously have not tasted in the firsthand,what a GOOD rifle will do ala Hasty MPAJ. I simply do it daily. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..................















Sharpsman,

The only thing you "shoot" is your mouth and Imagination. Congratulations.

Now as Factory Creed' Fodder goes and talkin' a Milford atmosphere in current conditions with a 250yd zero,the 147ELD 2700fps Factory Wrap do thusly at the 600yd line:

Drops 65"(3 Mils),drifts 20.4" in 10mph full value(.9 Mil),impacts at 1964fps and has 1260ft lbs of "energy".

As compared to say a 300Wby and 150NPT at 3400fps,zero'd same in like atmosphere and identical scope height(1.75").

The "mighty" 300Roy drops a bit less at 50.5"(2.3 Mils),drifts much more at 30"(1.4 Mils),happens to arrive the scene at IDENTICAL impact velocity of 1964fps with the whole extry 3grs of mass givin' it a microscopic "energy" edge. Hint.

Ain't it a hoot,when your inherent DUMBfhuqktitude is set on display?!? If ONLY you could savvy,just how amazingly fhuqking STUPID you are.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!................















starsky,

The gals are doing GOOD,to get a fhuqking box of boolits even opened up,if the could afford one.(grin)

Bless their hearts.

Laughing!..............















Tuner,

Don't forget how "top heavy" that glass will make 'em too.(grin)

Bless their hearts.

Laughing!...............















Kodiak',

The FAST track to getting fhuqking GOOD with a rifle,is a killer 22LR and to flog upon it to the absolute mercy of a good erector's travel(500yds++ anyhow). A brick of ammo through that,will learn a gent farrrrrr more about atmospheric influences,than whistlin' through a truckload of Mart-Mart Tree Oh Not So Great Fodder. Hint.

Anschutz 54 jingle,is the best Learnin' Loot a gent will ever spend.



There's nothin' redeeming in the Sako cited and DBM favors are only granted,when staying an AICS footprint. Proprietary schit will paint a guy in a corner and hose COAL latitude mightily. Sako screws the Pooch there,just like most others. Hint.

A Tree Oh Not So Great is always gonna need more COAL and binderless AM's,Alpha's or the like,are the fast track to said sanctity.

260 hull at S/A 700 OEM confines(2.815") with a 147 ELD extrapolation and a Creed' case illustrating the inherent .100"+ COAL advantage it bolsters in a like sized box. AICS OEM bindered mag below and to the left,AM binderless to the right. 2.975" a breeze in the AM.



The Creed' CRUSHES all things 308...despite it being a smaller case. Why? It slings a vastly superior boolit. 'Course it'll recoil less and not be as noisy either. Hint.

Boolits matter more than headstamps................(grin)

















'fish,

I shot a 7-08 once.(grin)

I'm unaware of a legit Factory LR Load and so is everyone else. Hint.

For just a leetle conversation,in regards to boolits firstly and headstamps secondly. In regards to the boolits setting alone and L-R: .224" 75'Max,.243" 105 Hornie HPBT,.264" 147ELD and .284" 162'Max. For conversation,the Creed' will shoot the 147 at the same speed a like length 7-08 will the 162...but the 147 has a .697BC instead of a .625BC. The 7-08 cain't hang. Why? Boolits. Hint.



I really like the 162'Max at 2850fps in my 7-08AI,but my 260AI will grant 2900fps with the 147ELD and it's simply a phenom.

Binderless AICS footprint mags bein' a given,in both. hint.



308 uppermost,7-08AI lower MOA/MOA Fixed Fhuqkers a given,inclination tossed copiously and a Creed' will simply thrash the pair. Binderless AICS footprint AM's a given.



'Tis a leetle bit intellesting,to gun all side by each.

Hell...I've seen me do it....................(grin)















'muchgun,

260 Factory Fodder sucks heavy ass,scratch that notion. They've a couple 5R-esque S/S 260 offerings that are 8",but they are badly COAL hosed and the stocks suck ass. If a guy HAD to suffer one,inletting it for AICS DBM is a breeze and that near 3" latitude will pay beeg dividends.

I've got wayyyyyyyy too many Tree Oh Not So Greats,though noone hates said chambering more than I. As a MBR in say HK91,it's doable and I of course suffered M1A1's,Krunchentickers and other Self Shuckers of the ilk,amongst Pumps,Levers and of course bolt guns too. Purty embarrassin' really.(grin)

I'd like to see Ronnie Barrett do a well throated 260 1-8" with the 3" box in S/S,for guys who actually shoot. A 147ELD smooch at 2.925" would be Skookum and a Giant Killer to boot.

As Fixed Fhuqkers go,the 10x MQ is a tough bitch to whoop on a Giggles Rifle. Much prefer it to MOA/MOA,though in fairness the MOA/MOA windshield do grant a silver CH more of latitude,than the 10 Mil MQ windshield. 'Horn ring the bitch and reap all the goody.

Once you see a .700 BC slice atmospherics with no recoil...all else fhuqking pales...............(grin)















ScooterDUMB,

My my my...you CLUELESS Fhuqk,I enjoy how Facts and Physics don't steal the "thunder" from the Fluff of your Imagination and it's Pretend. Congratulations?!?

Be SURE to swing for the fence and find me "mistaken",as you talk out your ass about the things you've never seen,never will do and never understand.

I cain't wait. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..................