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Jesus never disowned the Jews

John 8:42-47,...the Messiah spells it out in plain language who they are that choose not to follow him.

It wasn't a choice. Jesus does not meet the description of the promised messiah.
Yes he did. The Jews, however, developed their own parallel criteria pretending to be authoritative interpretations of Scripture, and then claimed he didn't fulfill those. Those, however, were not revelation, but rather the traditions of men which the Jewish scholars sought to substitute for revelation. Today, these traditions go under the name of Talmud.

Jews refer to their own writing and the prophesy of the messiah as written in what Christianity calls the old testament.

For instance;

Overview: A major issue for Christian theologians is a certain prophecy of Jesus, a prophecy which, by an honest reading,results in the inescapable conclusion that the prophecy failed. While this is usually thrown under the rug, this is a major issue with Christianity.


What is the Messianic Age Meant to Look Like?


According to Jewish scripture, prior to the arrival of the Messiah, there will be a war and great suffering (Ezekiel 38:16), after which the Messiah will bring about a political and spiritual redemption by bringing all Jews back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12, Jeremiah 23:8 and 30:3, and Hosea 3:4-5). Then, the Messiah will set up a Torah government in Israel that will serve as the center of world government for all Jews and non-Jews (Isaiah 2:2-4, 11:10, and 42:1). The Holy Temple will be rebuilt and the Temple service will begin again (Jeremiah 33:18). Lastly, the religious court system of Israel will be rekindled and the Torah will be the only and final law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).

Furthermore, the messianic age will be marked by the peaceful coexistence by all people devoid of hatred, intolerance, and war — Jewish or not (Isaiah 2:4). All people will recognize YHWH as the one true God and the Torah as the one true way of life, and jealousy, murder, and robbery will disappear.

Likewise, according to Judaism, the true Messiah must

Be an observant Jewish man descended from King David
Be an ordinary human being (as opposed to the progeny of God)

Furthermore, in Judaism, revelation happens on a national scale, not on a personal scale like with the Christian narrative of Jesus. Christian attempts to use verses from the Torah to validate Jesus as the Messiah are, without exception, the result of mistranslations.

Because Jesus neither met these requirements nor did the messianic age arrive, the Jewish view is that Jesus was merely a man, not the Messiah.


https://www.learnreligions.com/jewish-view-of-jesus-2076763

No big surprise an atheist would try to discredit Jesus Christ & show support for the antichrist

probably a Talmudian Yid

He suffers from the same malady that most suffered from in first century Palestine...literalization of passages that had the Messiah as a warrior king who would restore national Israel to her prominence. Not a suffering servant who would die to bring His people to a spiritual promised land.

We all stay there (literalizing spiritual things) apart from God's grace.


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