Originally Posted by WhiteTail48
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by RHClark
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by RHClark
If you interpret it wrongly to say works are necessary than you have to discount all of Romans as false and many other scriptures. As I've said many times scripture must be interpreted so that it all agrees, otherwise you have misunderstood.
Read Romans 13:1-6 and tell me Paul was not a crackpot or a Roman agent. If a witness once gives provable false testimony his testimony is no longer accepted.

What the hell are you talking about false testimony? You know what I took from those verses? I'll translate. Those in charge are in charge by God's will so don't be unnecessarily rebellious. I did not take it that it was necessary to follow an ungodly ruler. I assume Paul took that as a given because not having to follow an ungodly ruler is clearly spelled out in other scripture. Paul is just assuming that he doesn't have to explain what anyone who knows scripture should know.
Maybe he was writing satire? Otherwise that is indefensible. I think he may have been both a crackpot and a Roman agent. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Still Paul-basing, eh? You have really dug in your heels and stiffened your neck. You are a deceiver, a false teacher, and an enemy of truth. But you are persistent in denying God’s Word.

Again, to criticize Paul is to criticize Jesus, the Word. Dangerous ground….

Do you believe the gospel of grace for your salvation that was revealed to Paul by the risen Lord? If not, what do you believe, if anything, for your salvation?
I believe the OT and the good news of salvation preached by John the Baptist and his cousin Jesus


Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."
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