Youre not confusing me...lol. most of the older spikes arent as old as one would think. 99.9999% of hunters never age their deer by jaw, and even thats not perfect(geographic area..sandy,rocky,etc soil types) Add in nutrition in the area and number of other deer(good bet hes subordinate and pushed away at suppertime). Tell me, how accurate is that old grey face method of aging? laugh