Of course there are deer out there, just not in huntable numbers. I would like to know where all the license holders are hunting. They sure are not around here. I have not checked lately, but I used to read how license sales were continually going up. Maybe the "Bonus" and second round tags were being counted. Some of these mountains had a hunter every 50 yards on top, every 50 yards on the bottom, and bunches of hunters in between. Now the first day you see 10 trucks max parked along the road at these same mountains. I can easily name off 10 or more guys I know that quit because they just did not see deer anymore. That works for me, I don't care for crowds when hunting. The problem I have is that the hunter numbers are way down here for the last 10 years and the deer are not rebounding. Something wrong there.