Originally Posted by IZH27
Then therein may lie the problem. You keep making the same comment propping up double predestination as a straw man. You say that you haven’t studied theology just contemplating scripture based on a rudimentary knowledge.

Based on reading the thread there isn’t one person posting who hasn’t been influenced in the negative by bad theology. I include myself in that number. Modern Christian doctrine in America is strongly influenced by Charles Finney and Wesley’s Christian perfection doctrine. Works based salvation.

If you are truly looking to understand scriptural teaching on predestination a good starting point is to read a few papers online that contrast “the doctrine of glory” with “the doctrine of the cross”.


Sòme intelligent saved men say dont read a scripture and go by it, but read the whole and add up what it means.

Others say, dont come up and say what you think it means and get out of it, but go by scripture and show it.

Sheesh. Cant win for losing with youse guys. whistle


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