Will one of you parishioners not tell us [me] how you learned/were taught, to submit, beg, worship? how does a man bend a knee, kneel, cry, plead, submit, give up, quit, and really mean it? i cant/will never be able to get to that place. I dont believe that what you ask for 'demand' "without ridicule" is honestly possible for some, and i mean honest, fu-k acting,performing, singing for your supper bullshlt! How did you arrive, and still be in possession of your balls?
gunner500, did you feel that way yourself last Fall, and for the preceding year, when you said you had some real interest of going to church with your wife full time...? I doubt it, but idk...that’s why I’m askin’.
Was simply looking for truth, honesty, 'REAL' and proof, Sir, but realizing i had never learned to yield [kneel/beg/worship] i let it go, dont want to be a fake/hypocrite in anything i do, the fighting/hypocrisy here amongst "the believers" didn't help the possible explorative journey either, it's all good though i'll just continue to live to be a good husband, neighbor, son and friend, full well remembering the road to hell is paved with good intentions, we shall see someday.
I've tried to raise that point here several times in the past. "It's your choice" is a phrase that many are fond of using when confronting those who don't believe the way they do. Its an obviously false statement, and easily provable to be so, but it gets brought out time and again anyway.
Ok, I’ll bite.....
Why is it not a “choice” to ponder and pursue God...... or not?
Why is it not a choice to reject God.... or in context with this thread, to reject Jesus?
Let's be clear. We are not "rejecting god(s)", we are rejecting claims made by theist due to a lack of sufficient evidence to support their claims.
I understand the bit about “rejecting claims made by theist....”
I worked for a boss one time and we had a major business issue to address. I went to him and explained in great detail about how he needed to change his course of action and reverse a decision he had made. He did not accept what I had told him, made a couple of smart remarks and the meeting was over. About 6 weeks later, he called on the phone and told me in no uncertain terms to “get my.....” over,to his office, we had a major problem. Trying to cut the story short, I told him he had failed to heed my prior advice and now we had a mess on our hands. He erupted in even more furious rage.... he thundered at me: “You mean you knew I was making a mistake and let me go ahead and make it? YOU FAILED TO CONVINCE ME!” I then got one of the most memorable a** chewings of my life.
I never forgot it and he was right in a way..... I knew I had been right.... I knew he was making a mistake and I had indeed failed to convince him. But he made a mistake as well.... he was “the boss” and was exerting his right to make decisions. He also dismissed my best efforts to convince him of his error.
Just because a “theist” .... in your view.... fails to provide sufficient evidence to support their claims ......does not absolve ....you...of your responsibility to seek and listen.
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The tax collector said: “Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner.” Jesus said he went home “justified.”
