Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
I could go through each one and explain how they are either not applicable being of a different covenant,or how you are interpreting them wrong. I doubt that any of that effort would mean anything at all to you.

I'll only say that if we could have saved ourselves then Jesus died in vain. If we need Jesus plus our best efforts,Jesus still died in vain.


And I'm sure there are those with a contra-position that could explain why all your scriptural explanations are wrong, as such was the general consensus of Christianity for the 1500 years preceding Luther.


Maybe,so what's your agenda?