Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Since there are examples in the Bible of spirit filled believers who have NOT been baptized with water, it's save to assume that it's not required. There's the thief on the cross and Cornelius's family for starters.


Chuck - You would agree the baptism of John was "for the remission of sins" . . . correct? (Mark 1:4)

You would also probably agree that the thief on the cross was a resident of "Jerusalem or the land of Judea . . . correct? (Mark 1:5)

I would theorize that there is a better chance the thief was baptized with the baptism of John for the remission of his sins, than your assertion that he wasn't. Either way, we are both just theorizing.

Also, Cornelius and his household were certainly baptized according to (Acts 10:47-48; 11:1,18; and 15:7)

I might also add that Cornelius and his household received the Holy Spirit before they heard the gospel from Peter. (Acts 11:15)

We know from Romans 10:17 that faith comes from hearing the word of God. If Cornelius was saved when the Holy Spirit fell on him, he was saved without faith, for Peter had just began to preach the gospel.


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