Originally Posted by rphguy
[quote=Starman]

The Father created the universe


You might want to re-think who you say created the Universe. Here's 2 verses that tell us that Jesus is the Creator.

John 1:1-3 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the
beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Col 1:16 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or
dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.


Jesus was made the sacrificial lamb, - will be made the appointed final judge - and sits at the right hand of the Majesty.
and as we note also involved in creating .but all that is only possible through the will and works of the Father who
accomplishes through the Son.

Jesus takes no self credit for all the works the Father accomplishes through the Son,
scripture shows that Jesus repeatedly credits the Father.
So although Jesus subordinately fulfils numerous rolls as appointed by the Father, the works are not actually his own.

Originally Posted by SU35

As fully man, he prayed as a man, but at the same time was He fully God, (who was incapable of sinning btw).
As a man He was totally dependent of the Father, He was limited to His Fathers will in His time on earth.


Even as the risen Son, Jesus still remains dependent on the Father and still dutifully remains in service to his Fathers will.


-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.