And as for theology, without the fall, what need of Jesus and redemption?
I've already extensively refuted your position on your former point. As to the above, who said there wasn't a fall? I certainly didn't. While it's a story told in allegory, the doctrine delivered by it was that, right from the start, man fell from God's grace. You don't have to know how exactly that occurred to accept the lesson that it did.
You haven't refuted a thing. In Christian theology, Redemption is based on the sacrifice of Jesus. If as the story goes, sin had not entered the world through Adam, there was need for Jesus the redeemer or his blood sacrifice;
''....but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. 12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned....'''
''For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many!'' - Romans.
