This appeared in our local newspaper in Shawano County Wi.

As I looked through the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources spring public hearings questionnaire that will come to a vote across the state on April 9, I was more than a little surprised to read a very biased question that did not seem to come from the emotionless, generally logical DNR that I’ve come to know and occasionally love the past 18 years.

The folks who brought us Earn A Buck and deer management by county also have helped bring us some of the best deer hunting on earth, according to the Boone and Crockett and Pope and Young clubs. Biologists pride themselves on facts and graphs and carrying capacity and forest regeneration statistics.

In 2014, the state legalized crossbows for all deer hunters (previously it required the hunter to be age 65 or older, or have a physical handicap that prohibited use of a vertical bow). Many other states have done the same thing. With dwindling hunter numbers nationwide and a burgeoning deer herd, the crossbow allows increased hunting opportunities for the young, old and everyone in-between. As a ground blind hunter, I find the crossbow to be perfect for shooting through small windows without the draw interference I had with a compound or recurve bow.

Wisconsin archers embraced the crossbow, with sales soaring and statistics showing about 38 percent of all archery deer hunters now using crossbows. Last year — for the first time in state history — crossbow hunters killed more deer than vertical bow hunters.

The DNR’s been begging us to shoot more antlerless deer for many years now in the farmland zones, including Shawano and Waupaca counties. Hunters argue about whether there are too many deer, but the biologists point to the lack of forest regeneration, visible browse lines and other data that support deer overpopulation.

Most farmland county Deer Advisory Councils support decreased herds or maintaining herd numbers. The DNR (and virtually any organization wanting to support hunting) says it tries to increase hunting opportunities and hunter recruitment. Question 18 could crush that promise.

On the questionnaire, part of question 18 reads: The data is in. Crossbows did not produce the anticipated increase in deer hunter numbers. The long season did create a dramatic shift of both gun hunters and bowhunters into the crossbow season where their odds (success rate) of harvesting a buck are approaching approximately 50 percent greater than those of either gun hunters or bowhunters in their respective seasons. This imbalance and the increased harvest of bucks before the traditional gun season has created frustration, concern and a further breakdown of Wisconsin’s deer hunting traditions. In order to give all deer hunters an equal chance to harvest a buck, and to return the exclusive advantage of a long crossbow season to the disabled and elderly, it has been suggested to shorten the season for the able-bodied to reflect the effectiveness of the weapon based on harvest data. 18. Do you support the DNR adjusting the length of the crossbow season, for those that are not disabled or elderly, to better reflect harvest success?

I would love to know the author of this question and ask them a question: How does a crossbow increase your odds of shooting a buck? Does it hold magical powers that lure in a buck like the latest deer call? I’ve shot one small buck in four years, and have not seen any more deer than before I carried a crossbow. Most crossbows remain a 40-yard weapon, because the shorter bolt of a crossbow has less mass than a full-sized vertical bow arrow, and therefore carries less energy at longer distances.

Crossbows, vertical bows, rifles, shotguns and slingshots are only as accurate as the person using them. I’m trying to contain my emotions, but the claim that crossbow hunters have a 50 percent greater chance of bagging a buck than even gun hunters is a flat out lie.

“The imbalance and the increased harvest of bucks before the traditional gun season has created frustration (for whom?), concern and a further breakdown of Wisconsin’s deer hunting traditions.”

Wow. How did this biased bit of emotional BS get on a spring ballot from an agency that tells us they are using science and reasoning to guide our wildlife management? Crossbows are a threat to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, according to this author. Pretty sad. It reminds me of the arguments against the AR-15.

I also remember the arguments against compound bows back in the early 1970s. They were going to ruin archery deer hunting. You could hold the string back forever. They are so unfair.

Well, the lightning-fast compound bows made in Sparta and elsewhere are a far cry from those early bows by Allen and Jennings. Many vertical bows shoot arrows as fast as crossbows. They have sights and are fired with release aids. We all want humane kills, and both the modern compound bow and crossbow do that.

I did discuss this topic with a local archery shop pro. One problem with selling a crossbow is that the buyer doesn’t need to come back to the shop for many years (assuming he won’t want to upgrade to a faster model like the compound bow buyers often do, or buy multiple crossbows for other family members.)

Maybe that’s what this is all about: the almighty dollar. Compound bow sales have slacked off and crossbow sales have skyrocketed the past few years. Hunters make their choices with their pocketbooks.

Some crossbows top $2,000, more than twice the price of the top vertical bows. The average Joe is more content to spent $400 to $700 for a decent crossbow — roughly the same dough as a decent bow. You can buy a very accurate bolt-action rifle with scope now for about $400. Some of us own many guns, bows and crossbows. This has nothing to do with deer management, either.

We hunters can be some of the biggest crybabies around. As if we don’t have enough enemies, we love to fight each other. Traditional archers with a longbow consider the recurve to be outlandish. Recurve shooters mock the compound. Compound hunters ridicule the crossbow. Gun hunters fight the archers.

As Benjamin Franklin once said: “We shall all hang together or we shall all hang separately.” I bet the antis love the state’s effort to snuff out crossbow use after initially encouraging it. Everyone sees deer as “their deer” on their land, but the state normally says no, the wildlife belongs to everyone. We share this bounty with all, unlike the feudal practices of Europe where the kings owned the wildlife and the peasants caught poaching were hanged.

Now it seems someone at the DNR has it in for crossbows because someone is gaining the imaginary upper hand.

I would urge you to put down your $700 handheld computer called a cell phone long enough to vote no against this ridiculous proposal.

Ross Bielema is a freelance writer from New London and owner of Wolf River Concealed Carry LLC. Contact him at [email protected].

Chainsaw a good post that one. Being on the north side of the 65 year old geezer list, I suppose that being feeble like I'm supposed to be that I will still be permitted to use my unfair crossbow. I do enjoy the heck out of our 4-5 month archery season and we get to hunt the rut and pre-rut to say nothing of the nicer weather. I'd been a compound bow hunter for a lot of years, but I gave it up because I was getting seen when I drew my bow and I wounded two deer that I didn't recover. I said to myself that if I wasn't going to take the time to practice more and be more proficient with my bow, that I shouldn't be out there deer hunting. I heard too many of the one that got away stories and I didn't like it. That all changed when they permitted me to use a scope sighted crossbow and the thing is little more than a rifle with a string. My first deer with that TenPoint, an 8 pointer at 34 yards, took that bolt through the lungs and out the other side through a shoulder blade and I never saw that kind of performance or precision with my compound. My point is that if a gun deer hunter can't beat them why the heck not join them? I can hunt the farm country agricultural areas closer to home with my crossbow as a management tool and fill the freezer with a meat deer, then go up north and just look for a trophy buck for the gun season. Archery season has made me a better all around deer hunter. We can only take one buck in the archery season and another one in the gun season, which isn't that much for a family to eat through in a year. I'm going to shoot a meat doe before I'm going to shoot a mini buck and not shoot anything that doesn't measure up come gun season. If my kid is a millennial typical and I think he is, there are far less deer hunters coming up in the ranks and hunting should be encouraged, not discouraged with more restrictions.

More bucks are being harvested because more people are hunting the rut simple. A lot of people who were never bowhunters are crossbow hunters. A lot of gunhunters have shifted to crossbow. Longer season ability to hunt during the rut and hunt during warmer weather are few factors that make hunting with a crossbow appealing. The traditonal gun season deer camp is nearly dead in Wisconsin. People don't or can't take the week off but a weekend here and there to sit with a crossbow is doable. The timing of the Wisconsin gun season has always sucked. Usually falls exactly during post rut and minimal deer movement. So yes crossbows have not drawn new hunters just shifted the weapons they carry.

There is a lot of fighting among hunters in WI. I really think the archery hunters are the biggest bunch of whiners out there. Not all but the vast majority. They want to be the only ones allowed in the woods during prime deer hunting time and they want as little competetion as possible so someone does not shoot "their" deer. They gotta be like the idiots on TV. Have the latest gear, have to dress in the latest camo pattern to look cool as they go out to whack the "spilt g 5 buck" or whatever dumb name the give a deer they get on camera. I could go on for hours about the the crap I have dealt with first hand when it comes to elitist whiny trophy buck hunting bowhunters that will do anything to get "their" deer. Too many people think hunting is about shooting the big buck no matter what.

I am sure the author of this question is a bowhunter who wants fewer people in the woods with the same kill the trophy buck no matter what mentality that they have. Someone else might shoot "their" deer. Even though a lot of people hunting with a crossbow simply want more opportunities to hunt and don't give crap about a trophy. The people that simply want to hunt more and are happy with any harvest are the ones that are usually hurt the most by these types of regulations. We need to support hunting period, not one particular groups definition of hunting.

They are a lot madder at deer than I am. I have killed several deer with a crossbow, but it gives me no more tags, and I can fill all of my tags during rifle season or muzzle load season, if I choose. And a crossbow is awkward, and the deer tend to jump the string. I don't recall ever hitting one where I thought I would, even though at targets, I shoot at different dots to keep from ruining bolts. I even shortened up my shots to under 25 yards, to help with that. They are like trying to drag jumper cables through the woods, and I have all but quit using it. miles

When the first rumblings using a crossbow hit the scene in Cheeseville, the Wisconsin Bowhunters Group protested loudly. I'm thinking the
question is basically coming from them.

If this gains traction, I am wondering how the DNR is going to try and get the horse back in the corral after opening the gate. The biggest problem
is the underlying deceit with the wording of the question in the first place. Like any other approach to a perceived problem, those
that "feel" affected always struggle with coming up with an explanation of how they have been wronged, instead of speaking the truth of
their agenda.

What do you now say to the dedicated hunter who likes crossbow hunting, who purchased a 1000-2000 dollar crossbow?
You notice how they intentionally did not want to take on old guys and handicapped, as they know old guys like me, will challenge
them relentlessly.

The DNR has to be tired of those whiners. I'm a bowhunter and love to be in the woods at that time of year. But good lord the WI Bowhunters as a group are whiners.

A guy I used to work with had a tantrum because "his" deer was hit by a car. I don't mean he was mad for day. It was a all out 4 year old temper tantrum by a 45 year old.

i kinda think to each their own choice,but I am 65 years of age and just had another very serious shoulder surgery and I have hunted with a bow for over 50 years now and I am hoping for myself I can hunt this fall again with my bow I can draw myself,i personally am not ready for a x-bow yet.but for my friends that`s fine what they want to hunt with yes its easier with x-bow but no matter what anyone uses its just a harvest tool , my big concern is do you eat your deer ? if you don`t you have no reason to hunt gun,bow,x-bow ,we need to all stick together ,to many bunny hungers now days !

About 20 years ago there was a contractor working in my building who claimed to be a "Professional Bowhunter", which I took to mean he had paid someone for a decal he could stick on his car window. He went on a rant about how his state (Kentucky) was going to destroy the deer herd by allowing gun hunters to hunt during the rut. What he really meant, of course, was that he was going to lose his monopoly on the best time to be in the woods.

Here we have four counties where firearms aren't allowed for deer hunting at all and they really hang some nice ones. That would be a disaster for most of the state where there are often too many deer and bowhunting just won't get the job done. In my county, there's a special early antlerless season. on private land only, just to keep the numbers down.

NY bowhunters are the same. Biggest buncha whine azzes I've ever seen.

Well , here it goes. The DNR should have never let crossbows be the same as regular bow season. There is no way around it the crossbow is a more efficient weapon. It is hardly a bow with a scope on it. I think it should have stayed the way it was, disabled and senior citizens . They really screwed themselves over now. You have 80,000? crossbow out there and now they want to shorten the season? Yes, I am a regular bowhunter. The reason the bow season is almost 4 months is cause it is a lot harder to kill a deer with a vertical bow, was even harder with a longbow. I practice a lot and only shoot the best shots, and 27 yds is my limit, and the last 2 deer were 13 and 17 yds. I , like 7mm Mike have argued that we should make gun season earlier . In Price/ Sawyer co. where I hunt it can be so cold . My knees and shoulders just dont stand for it anymore when it's cold. There have been times I can't even pull back the bow . I get stiff out there and I am only pulling 49 lbs. Because so many hunters are getting old, the crossbow had unintended consequences . Many stopped gun hunting . There are so few gun hunters up north these days that in many areas there is no pressure at all, and the lack of shooting proves it. Wisconsin needs to shorten the whole bow season if we shorten crossbow season. We also need to open gun season earlier up north like north of HWY 8 a week earlier. My son, 21 , will most likely quit gun hunting. I wont quit yet but my years of freezing half to death up north on Nov. 23 and not see a deer for 4 days are all but over. We can also adjust laws to curb the harvest by getting rid of baiting. I used to bait but refuse now. It is so easy , even with a vertical bow to shoot a deer over bait. It is even easier with a crossbow no doubt. SO, get rid of bait, make it a $ 1,000 fine if caught, make gun season one week earlier, and maybe one buck per season, and lower doe harvest north of HWY 8 to zero for some years.. Just my opinions .

First off, I am a crossbow hunter and started 4 years ago when I retired as I had more time to hunt and practise.
I really don't care what others hunt or how they do it. I think we need to be all inclusive and accept any legal way
to hunt, not to pit one hunter against another.

If this gains some traction, I will stand up for those that hunt in anyway that is deemed legal.
It really grinds my beans to see this hooray for me and screw you type of attitude that is seeming to get grip on the way
one perceives one hunter being able to have an advantage over another.

But this might be another case of the government giveth and the government taketh away. I have my big wrench ready to throw into the gears as I type.

I think the massive body of gun hunters should just stand up and say F^ck you to all the whine ass bow/crossbow/muzzleloader hunters. Y'all can hunt with whatever you want but there'll be only one season and if you choose to hunt with your bow, crossbow or smokepole you'll be doing it right alongside the gun totin' crowd. I'm just so tired of hearing "my way's harder so I deserve a special time all to myself and you don't because you use a more efficient weapon". Grow the hell up boys. I've hunted for MANY years with an iron sighted .30-30 while most everyone else was using flat shooting, scoped bolt actions. MY CHOICE. No reason to seek a special season or complain that the other guy has an advantage. Too many whine azz little girls running around the woods these days that should leave the hunting to men.

Well geese guys, I hope I didn't offend anyone. I did say we need to shorten the whole bow season if we keep crossbows , or restrict the harvest. One way is to make bait illegal. I even said, even with my regular bow it was so easy over bait. Now we have a dilemma. Gun hunters saying they dont see many deer. One reason is cause about 25% of the deer are in the freezer. I also said we need to make gun season earlier, especially up north . Like 7mm said, gun season starts right when the bucks are done chasing and he is right. My trail cam proves it every year, About Oct. 29 to Nov. 9 , I get bucks moving in the daytime, after that is is rare to get a day pic in the fall. Restrict the buck harvest to one per year and no party hunting? I don't know everything but I know many of my ideas would work but noone wants to change. Every time I mention this on Lake-Link.com I get nothing but insults and arguments. Banning bait realy causes a ruckus there. As for me , like I said , I only pull back 49LBS with my compound cause my shoulders wont stand for any more when I'm cold. The day WILL come when I am crossbow bound, or I can go down to 40-45LBS. That works too but distance is even more limited , like 20 yds? That is fine with me too. I think we can all agree, the Wis. DNR is in trouble if the deer license sales keep dropping. Last year should have been a wakeup call but they are so unaware , or out of touch with reality that they dont see a problem, almost like less hunters is what they want. Last year Wis. sold 12,000 less gun deer licenses. We sold less regular bow licenses and to make matters worse , crossbow licenses were also down 2,000?. There is no doubt, there is a shift from gun to crossbow and a shift from regular bow to crossbow. The problem is , now there are even less crossbows licenses too. This can be good as far as I'm concerned but may be a problem some day. I hunt some of the highest pressured public land in Wisconsin, Washington co. I rarely see another hunter. They are there , but they stay in the open hardwoods and I hunt the marsh grass where I rarely get by without water up past my 18" boots. During gun season many say there are a lot of hunters but a friend gun hunted there said he saw 2 hunters 100 yds from the road . That was the only hunters he saw and he went back in 3/4 mi. and saw noone. WOW, I rarely see another hunter during muzzy neither. Like I said, in Price co. where I gun hunt, I have not see a hunter across the river since 2009 , and just 2 cars opening day at the end of the road where the public land starts . My land is at the end of the road. Miles of very little hunting pressure but the deer are tired. The bucks have to run themselves half to death to find a few does up there. By gun season, they are tired and move very little in the daytime. I swear , if everyone would stop baiting , and hunt like we used to hunt, northern Wisconsin could have rifle season all of November and still harvest less bucks than we do now. My opinions are not what most hunters want to hear though.

Definitely agree on the baiting. I have baited. I had a real nice piece of private ground to hunt in Washington county. Trouble was it was almost too good. Bait would at times slightly tip the deer movement in my favor. There was just so many good food sources and travel routes it was very hard to pattern the deer, baiting gave them a slightly better choice. Even during the rut there was so many does damn near every buck could stumble on to a piece of ass so even scrapes and rub lines were minimal and used inconsistently. Baiting did very little to change deer movement for me.

Now up north were I used to hunt, Northern Marinette county baiting makes a huge difference. A lot of times it can make deer very easy to shoot. Not alot of food around the deer will congregate around the bait pile. Does will be bait for the bucks that are traveling hard looking for some action. During early season and the rut all this is great. And it is great for whoever is baiting. Everyone else cannot figure why they cannot see a deer. Well every deer which ain't many are sitting with a few hundred yards of the golden corral of bait piles in the particular area. Now once the rut is over and the deer feel some hunting pressure baiting screws everyone over including the baiter. The deer sit down in the thickest cover they can find closest to the easiest food source which will be the best bait pile in the area. Bucks are no longer getting the does on their feet and at night there is numerous things around looking to eat them. So they sit til dark and don't move unless they get stepped on. Eliminate baiting in some areas of the state will help distribute the deer across the landscape better but still think post rut deer activity will mainly be at night. Without more hunters kicking things around we are not going to see any of the deer regardless of the population numbers. We are not going to get more hunters until they start seeing more deer. Just cannot win.

As for my spot I had in Washington county. Well another friend of the family got permission to hunt. He was one the whiney ass bowhunters I have spoke of. Well he spread all kinds of BS about me and my family to the landowner even called some outright lies into the game warden. So despite a ten year plus relationship with the landowner I got the boot this year. So now that assshole is the only one on the property to shoot "his" deer.

Mike, you are lucky to have ten yrs. I hunt public land and nothing else. I see a deer or deer sighting one in four sits here on public. land. I do still enjoy it but sure would like to see some more deer. And Chainsaw, he lis the lucky one, hunting in Waupaca co. He sees deer every time he goes out. Heck, I bet he gets a deer sometimes before he even gets to the stand huh? Then he get to hunt another chunk in Oconto co. In all honesty , I am thinking of going to Upper Michigan to just give it a try. Menominee or Delta co. seems like good deer numbers but Menominee Co. has a lot of hunters. Oh well, looks like up north is going to suck again this year . Price co. is going to get hammered again with 6" of snow today, then they are back up to 16" . Ya, and snowing like crazy here in northern Washington co. now. A half inch in about 20 minutes. Golf ball size snowflakes.

Wisconsin has created such a cottage industry for corn and apples that lots of people have forgotten even how to hunt deer. Even where the counties have made baiting illegal, people have gotten so use to baiting in deer that they are doing it anyway. The hunting population is getting older and we are not going to be walking all over in the big woods jumping up the deer for other people. Private land owners are not going to push "their" deer off their property either. I hunted Price County for a few years, but it is too flat and too big without enough edge and the deer can be anywhere and not move post rut. I was talking to a warden west of Butternut and he said that they flew that section the day before and counted 23 bait piles within a mile of were we were standing. I never went back. The rut, people and weather move deer. I hunt a big woods that is darn near inaccessible where they don't bait, but I only have the weather most of the time to get the deer moving, but they move naturally at dawn and late afternoon if people don't screw it up and make the deer nocturnal. Michigan gun season opens November 15th, but Minnesota opens a week before ours does and having hunted both, I'll take Minnesota for bigger bucks and rut movement gun hunting. The step-kids dad bought a 40 for them to hunt in south western Wisconsin and there are so many deer over there that I don't remember a season where they didn't get a buck or pass on some waiting for a trophy one. They can even head over there second weekend and fill up. I'm getting jealous of their trophy room. My 12 and 18 pointer has them beat rack wise, but they get the numbers and they don't work at it as hard as I do.

This wasn't written by the DNR, it was written by WI Bow Hunters.

WBH Pres. Brust has been on a crusade lately in all the local publications, etc.

Under the current administration, special interest groups are running the roost. WI Bow Hunters has a plant on the Natural Resources Board also. This is pure and simply a special interest pushing a question veiled as the DNR because apparently in right now, Government (Left or Right) is for special interests, public trust be damned.

I don't dispute that there are more hunters out earlier in the year, and it's probably gun hunters fed up with WI Bow Hunters whining and making any change to the "traditional" gun season impossible. Problem is, gun hunters are not organized like the bow hunters. Things would be much different with 600,000 organized gun hunters demanding change over 40,000 organized whiny bow hunters.

I like bow hunting, I do it the way I want to, understand that I'm the reason that I'm successful or unsuccessful. Do I agree that all things that are "legal" are ethical, no, but I don't do them and that's where it stops, everyone's ethics are a little different and laws, for the most part, are set up to protect basic rights and populations, etc.

There's a lot of this in WI. About deer hunting, the Packers, it's kind of ridiculous.

I believe if the data was actually scrutinized you would find that most crossbow hunters are out looking for an "extra" buck. Not many solely hunt with a crossbow, unlike many bowhunters that do not gun hunt.

Additionally, if Wisconsin really wanted to have better deer hunting, ie. bigger bucks, the season should be ONE buck per year, any weapon. Forcing people to choose how they want to fill their tag, like several western states, would at least help spread hunting pressure out. More importantly, beyond those just learning to hunt, there is no reason Wisconsin hunters should be killing two immature bucks year after year after year.

Wisconsin does have too many deer in many regions and there should be liberal doe harvest. Shooting lots of bucks does nothing for long term population control- it just lets whatever bucks are left standing, whether immature or genetically inferior, breed more.

I enjoy the three months that I am allowed to hunt in Wisconsin, if people want to extend the time they want to hunt by use of bows or crossbows I can't fault them for that. But most of the crossbow hunters I am aware of are solely out with that particular weapon to get an additional buck. Forcing people to choose how they would fill their buck tag, if they were only given one, would improve both the deer hunting experience as hunting pressure would be spread out, hunters would eventually start seeing greater numbers of mature bucks, and improve the health of deer herd.

Unfortunately, Wisconsin has demonstrated a willingness to cave to public/political pressure in wildlife management, rather than manage the resource in a thoughtful biologically sound manner.

Crossbows and baiting are examples of this.

Lots of good posts. I still love deer hunting and wont quit till I can't go anymore. I will slow down to nothing I guess. I am not sure but can I shoot a buck with my compound and crossbow? If so that is no good but never thought of it till the " extra buck " post of TCP. Also, there is a lot of disagreement in hunting law cause noone posts where they hunt. Price/ Sawyer public hunting is a whole different world compared to some private in say, Woolworth co. 10 miles form the ill- annoy border. I say save the does and Woolworth co. hunters jumps off is seat screaming! I would love to hunt deer a week earlier in Price co. I saw it for years when bow hunting . I saw deer till the week before gun season. And actually Minnesota gun season starts 2 weeks earlier if I'm not mistaken. Propose that Wisconsin starts one week earlier and hunters scream about tradition is lost . It was 3 days one time. Michigan starts between 2 days earlier and 8 days earlier . Kentucky and Missouri starts one week earlier . Upstate New York starts November 1st or even in October.

You can ask "sharp-things" on here. He is the one pushing the crossbow issue in Wisconsin. He is a real chest beater about it as well so be prepared for his usual banter. He has been busted for hunting over bait when it was illegal yet bashed others for baiting. He is a real piece of work. Oh, he had been banned from here as "diy guy" not long ago.

The original post I made was about a proposal on the spring ballot to limit/shorten the crossbow season for some age groups in Wi.
It was not about baiting or gaining an additional deer tag, or even or moving season opener dates.

Basically taking away some of the season for those who are not seasoned citizens or handicapped. Personally I am strictly opposed to this tactic by some to
re-rig or stack the deck so it comes out in their favor. We could go on and on about other challenges that we face concerning season dates, CWD, northern vs southern
deer numbers, the use of bait, food plots, antlerless deer harvest and so on, but that was not the point of my post.

It seems to me that a problem has been created where none really existed in the first place. It was like Al Gores global warming contention where he states that
"the science is settled" except this proposal starts out that "The Data Is In" Who would have thought one would need to belong to a lobbyist group, just to deer hunt.

As for me I have nothing to gain or lose as I'm a seasoned citizen who owns and hunts property in southeast Shawano County and am presently exploring a possibility of hunting
my son-in-laws newly acquired property in western Marinette County. On my Shawano County property, contrary to what was stated here, we have no such thing as a deer behind every
tree as previously stated in this thread. Last years rifle season had us taking one doe and no bucks with just one buck sighted for the 9 days. Bow season was better for sighting bucks and I was able to send a "warning shot" at one buck who ducked my bolt. None were taken though.

Chainsaw , I like to nudge the people in Shawano and Waupaca co. since I hunt only public. I can't help it since I have a little land in Shawano co. myself and dont hunt it cause there are so many others hunting our family property that I dont bother. My cousin sometimes sees 10 deer a day. As for crossbows, there is little debate it is easier to get a deer with one compared to a compound. So , what do we do about it? We need to change laws a bit to compensate for the extra harvest. Baiting, one buck a year, shorting the season ,always comes up. I think crossbow are here to stay. Harvest proves crossbow hunters are more successful than longbow hunters. Cant deny that, not that I care.

If they shortened my season, as a "seasoned" citizen with time on my hands, I'd just hunt more days earlier in the shortened season and quit when I had my year deer in the freezer. What the heck kind of a poky crossbow are you using? Early on I shot fiberglass arrows out of a recurve bow and in those days I had a built in excuse for a deer jumping the string and even then I brought home some venison, but a carbon fiber at 350 fps out of a modern crossbow is a whole nuther thing from what I've seen.

This question is a Natural Resou+rces Board Advisory question. You have one guess who the Board member was that asked the question

I have a self deer rule for myself no matter if I use my self drawn vertical bow,only my arrows I have assembled or when i rifle hunt i only use single shot Ruger #1 that I only use my handloads in ,it has to be at least 8 pt. buck medium rack 14-16 inches wide or bigger . now at my age of 65 years no fawns or does anymore for me, my son ,daughter ,son in law,grandkids,or friends can fill the freezer. I have harvest enough little deer over the years and I like to watch deer more now days. I do believe if you have a physical health problem or at least 65 years of age that is the only reason you should be allowed to hunt archery season for deer. myself just had another serious shoulder surgery but I plan on still using a vertical bow this fall 2018 its a stubborn pride thing for me a simple bowhunter for now over 50 years who started with a used recurve , wood and fiberglass arrows. for the old guys like me> we used Bear heads and Zwickey broadheads we hand sharpened ourself, that I now have went back too ! still killed my biggest buck with a Zwickey broadhead too and that was the fall of 2016 in late December it was 15 below that evening and believe me when you get over 60 years old the cold is nasty now ! so be safe and have a great 2018 hunting and fishing season !

Perhaps it was recognized that letting everyone and their cousin use a crossbow during the rut is a recipe for seriously compromising the age structure of Wisconsin's deer herd.

The "deck" has only been dealt this way for a couple years and it has been recognized that it was a mistake.

I suggested a one buck per year structure as a solution to not having to take away any portion of any season from anyone. If people are dead set on being able to shoot two bucks every year, the we shouldn't let everyone hunt during the peak of the rut.

No one can honestly state that a crossbow is similar to any bow in effectiveness. If it wasn't easier- it would not have been first utilized for the handicapped. The biggest advantage to a crossbow is that it can be brought onto target and shot with little movement to spook the deer, unlike any bow which has to be actively drawn when the deer is in range.

On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 7:00 PM, the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources will be hosting the Annual Spring Fish & Wildlife Public Hearings and Conservation Congress Meetings at pre-determined locations in each county throughout the state (go to https://dnr.wi.gov/about/wcc/Documents/spring_hearing/2018/2018hearinglocations.pdf to find your location).

This year's hearing will include the following DNR Wildlife Advisory question aimed at shortening the length of the crossbow season (go to https://dnr.wi.gov/about/wcc/springhearing.html to read the 2018 Spring Hearing Questionnaire):

Question #18: Do you support the DNR adjusting the length of the crossbow season, for those that are not disabled or elderly, to better reflect the harvest success rates of bucks similar to the gun season and archery season?

This question not only proposes shortening crossbow season, it is open-ended on HOW short the crossbow season could become - will it shrink from four months to a week?

If you do not want your crossbow season to be shortened or to lose the opportunity to harvest a buck during the rut period, you must take action by attending your local county meeting and VOTING NO on this question.

Please be sure to ACT NOW. Make plans to attend the hearing. Submit letters to the editor of your local newspaper that are supportive of keeping crossbows as legal equipment during archery season. Spread the word to your friends and family members through word-of-mouth and social media that crossbow use in future archery seasons may be threatened and encourage them to attend the public hearings and cast votes as well.

During this time when many anti-hunting organizations would like to see all hunting stopped, hunters should be working to unite with and support other hunters, rather than seeking to divide the hunting community, and limit greater overall participation in hunting

Were I king there would be no deer season, only limits. If people still felt there needed to be a 'season', there would be 2. Open season and closed season.

Use whateverthefugg you want to use during open season. No specific bow seasons, crossbow, primitive weapon, handgun, I'm a one legged midget seasons.

Same here. Technology has made most of the aforementioned weapons reasonably equal. Especially at the ranges most opportunities present themselves at in our area. Open and closed would be fine with me.

It appears that most of the bowhunters are an army of one on this thread. Take into consideration the rifle hunters who also have a stake in this
proposal and we have a clusterintercourse of pretty decent proportions.

I would suggest we are going to have to organize a lobbying group that opposes those groups trying to take away the opportunities of others.

Maybe we need to have hunting closed from mid October to Thanksgiving. Closed for all, now wouldn't that be fair to everyone?

Chain, have you been drinking or being sarcastic? Although that brings up another problem of all these seasons. I have heard many times people in late season bow and the Holiday Hunt that many are thinking they are pulling the trigger on a doe. Sure enough, a buck with his horns that were already shed. We can surely get rid of the Holiday Hunt. Do we really need to be shooting deer after Christmas? and even until the Sunday after New Years?. This would help reduce the harvest up north anyway. I dont know how many deer are shot north of HWY 8 after Christmas but let it go already. Go ice fishing or something.

Fair is liberal speak.

Deer season is either open or closed. Why does every group feel like they need special considerations? I swear all the different hunting groups (bow, crossbow, dog hunting, muzzleloaders, flintlock only, etc) are akin to the LGBTQ

I really have no desire to use a crossbow to hunt deer. I have shot plenty with my compound and like the level or difficulty. I like the extended season and I like that it gives me something else to do outside. But I don't find the need to use one. Hell, I have rifles that I shoot at bow range. I don't need another $1000 tool to hunt with.

That said, I couldn't give a crap if someone else wants to use one. Or a sling shot, a rock, or baseball bat. I don't care if you do it in August or the first week of November.

The WI Bowhunter Association doesn't even want gun hunters in the woods. As far as I'm concerned, they can piss up a rope. We all own the woods.

I'm not going to get into a debate or argument on compound vs. crossbow - I have and use both.

That said, having worked in an archery/gun shop in my college years, I'm happy to see a lot of the compound users migrating to crossbows. While a lot of folks take their archery serious and are very proficient with a compound, IMO, a whole lot of folks don't possess the efficiency to even warrant pursuing deer with stick and string but that doesn't stop them from slinging arrows at deer.

At least with a crossbow they can continue to NOT practice yet still be reasonably accurate.

That is the truth, and emberrasing when some dude posts a trail cam pic with an arrow sticking in a deers neck. That is why I only shoot the easiest chip shots with my compound. If it isn't a perfect shot I pass. As for crossbows, there are hunters extending the ranges too far already.

ihookem, I don't drink,smoke or use drugs or even chew gum. For the most part I just try to keep on livin' each day and let others live too, and try damn hard not to infringe on anyone else. As for being sarcastic. yes to a certain extent. I do have a thick skin though, so most of the stuff bounces off, so fire away

I did take a fair amount of arrows though, when myself and two others embarked on a plan to take the whole state to be able to hunt with rifles. It took just four "short" years to get it passed thru the Conservation Congress, The DNR Advisory Board and the State Legislature. From 2010-2014 I got pretty good insight as to how these various groups work, and those that lobby them. Yuup not always a pretty picture and not always fair. But now no one has to worry about any weapon they use during the 9 day firearm season.

Trust me the lobbying group who is pushing this is probably only seeing this as a first step on getting crossbow hunting eliminated or severely cutailed. They probably have other lofty goals in mind as well. Any group who use lobbyists are always trying to screw the other customers and pass the savings onto themselves. Remember the "Data Is In"

I'll give ya that one!

I really don't care what anyone uses. I'm sure someday I won't be able to pull back my bow and I'll have to use a crossbow. I have no issue that they're used during the bow season.

I also think the DNR should consider a "one buck" rule. At least in the northern counties. I'm assuming if they do that, their license sales will drop though. Maybe considerably.

Hell a crossbow doesn't give you more range necessarily. Guys at the bow ranges here are shooting out to 70 yards. I can't shoot a bow that far if I wanted to.

Tom - I'd be all for that. One buck tag - hunter can use it in whatever/all seasons he/she wants. To do so, they'd need to raise the price of the tag which is fine by me but I'm certain for many that'd be the most bitter of pills to swallow.

Chainsaw , I'm just nudging ya. The day may be coming for me to use a crossbow too. My son is 21 last week, he has a bow but never uses it. He has a bad eye and can't hardly shoot a bow and would have a hard time shooting left hand. He even shoots his rifle right hand but uses his left eye. Glasses are useless. I would love to see him get a crossbow . At least he would go bow hunting with me.

There is info folks will want to understand that has not been explained yet in the thread as it relates to shortening the crossbow season. In fact there are some very unfactual comments that have been made thus far as well as some incorrect assumptions. I can shed some light on the entire timeline and the how and why of what has transpired thus far.

Prior to 2014, myself and others worked to create a separate crossbow season in Wisconsin with a separate crossbow license and separate crossbow kill registration. We worked very hard at this and we got the separate crossbow season back in 2014. The separation of crossbow hunting and archery deer hunting was something other states did not do. Those other states simply lumped crossbow hunting into an existing archery deer season. We saw the error in that so we structured the WI crossbow season totally separate of bowhunting. We saw what was happening in others states and sought for separation so that the success of the crossbower would not have negative impacts on actual bowhunters.

When the deliberations of this new crossbow season were taking place, the question came up regarding the length of this new season. Many suggestions were made but in the end, everybody agreed that for a TEMPORARY period, the crossbow season would have the same duration as actual bowhunting. In the wording of the legislation we insisted that there be a trial period of a few years to gather usage and harvest data and that the data collected would aid the Natural Resources Board in setting the actual and final crossbow season duration. This data collection was only possible because we successfully negotiated the separation of bowhunting from crossbow hunting. That data has been collected and tells the tale of success rates for bowhunters, crossbow hunters and firearms hunters per license sold. As we had predicted, the crossbower would enjoy a higher success rate than that of bowhunters but we never dreamed the crossbower would enjoy a higher success rate than gun deer hunters.

The point being is that the initial duration of the WI crossbow season was only TEMPORARY and that once data was collected, the FINAL DURATION of the crossbow season would be set. Some made the mistake of thinking that the duration of the crossbow season was set when the season started. I think this mistake or misunderstanding by crossbow hunters is the main reason they protest now. They make the mistake of thinking the crossbow season is being shortened when actually is just now being set per the wording of the legislation. I think if people came to that realization there would be less angst. Again, all this was structured so as to not have negative impacts on bowhunting because of the success rate of crossbowers. We supported the creation and continuation of a crossbow season but at the same time needed and wanted to preserv, promote and protect bowhunting in Wisconsin.

In 2016 I wrote a resolution for the Waukesha county spring hearing to shorten the crossbow season. I used the higher success rates of the crossbower as the basis of my resolution. My resolution passed in my county. The next step of the process was for my resolution to be taken up at the committee level. My resolution was killed in the WCC deer and elk committee based (as it so often happens) on personal grudges and payback since the name of the author is known to the committee members.

In 2017 I again wrote a resolution in Waukesha County to shorten the crossbow season and again it passed. Once again it went to deer and elk committee. I was invited to attend the meeting to plead my case. I wasn’t unable to attend the WCC committee meeting due to my workload with my new company I was getting up and running but I penned a letter explaining the Crossbow harvest data the DNR gathered that supported the need to shorten the crossbow season. The harvest data shows that the crossbower has a higher buck kill success rate than not only actual bowhunters but the crossbower has a higher buck kill success rate than even gun deer hunters. The gun season is 9 days due to the impacts on the resource and the effectiveness of the weapon. The bow season is longer due to the low success rates of bowhunters and the challenges of bowhunting to be successful. The crossbow season should then be somewhere in between the length of the gun season and the bow season. The deer and elk committee saw fit to advance my resolution to their next committee.

Below is the text of that letter I sent them.

"Im writing you today about my resolution which passed in Waukesha County regarding Crossbow hunters impacts and success rates compared to those of bowhunters and gun deer hunters. Unfortunately I’m unable to attend the meeting where my resolution will be discussed.

Im attaching DNR data that captures the success rates of the crossbower because the tenants of the 2013 legislation that created the crossbow license and crossbow season specifically stated that initially, the crossbow season would occur at the same time that bowhunting is taking place and that this overlap would occur for 2 years, at which time the crossbow season could be adjusted by the DNR based on the data gathered. Those 2 years (and more) have passed and the data supports the adjusting of the crossbow season length. Its time to respect the wording of the legislation and the agreement that was made which created the crossbow season.

Data shows that the crossbower has a higher success rate than do bowhunters and also higher than that of even gun deer hunters. Crossbows are substantially superior to archery equipment used by bowhunters and crossbow use in a season as long as the archery season affords their users a substantial advantage and disparity, not only over bowhunters, but also over the firearms hunters and their shorter season. The supplied data was gathered with crossbowers using current technology but will only become even more lopsided with the release of the Ravin crossbow starting this year.

My resolution does not specifically suggest a length for the crossbow season. The decision on the duration of the crossbow season should come from a group of impacted stakeholders and the DNR but its clear that the duration of the crossbow season should be somewhere between the length of the 9 day gun deer season and the length of the bowhunting season.

I successfully ran this resolution in Waukesha County last year only to have it end with your deer and elk committee. Im asking that you advance this resolution because for the 2nd year in a row, its successfully passed in more than one county through the conservation congress process. Its time that the discussion of adjustment of the crossbow season begins.

I'm not asking that your committee litigate this matter or that you set the crossbow season structure in your meeting as that is outside the scope of your mission. I'm only asking that you to advance the resolution so the discussion of the proper duration of the crossbow season can take place.

Im trying to advance the matter of the adjustment of the crossbow season via the WCC but if another year long delay occurs, more direct routes via the NRB and the legislature have to be exercised to address the matter per the agreement struck when the crossbow season legislation was written.

Crossbow advancements are growing at an incredible rate yet a bowhunter can only hunt with a weapon so powerful as the users strength allows him to draw the peak weight and hold the draw with only human power. The data collected by the DNR shows the advantage to the crossbower. Its time to level the playing field.

Thanks You
Ron Kulas"

(end letter)


I did not expect the WCC to advance my resolution so I’d taken additional measures to hedge my bet (Call it an insurance policy) The committee took up my resolution but during deliberations, I was told to me over the phone that the DNR informed the committee that the DNR itself would be running the question (this was good news as it shortens the time frame because its now a DNR question) Being this question would be asked by the DNR, this actually constitutes a public hearing on the matter since the season can be shortened by DNR rules promulgation (as directed by the NRB). The NRB will certainly play a role in the eventual shortening of the crossbow season and it should be noted that there are some very good people on the NRB that care deeply about this issue. Some of them were just now appointed to another 6 year term.

I was contacted by the presiding officer of this meeting and told that they “tabled” my resolution once the DNR took up the matter. I later learned that was not true and that what I was told, was not what took place. A later review of their meeting minutes (all public record) indicated that they actually made a motion to reject my resolution. That motion was seconded. And that the Conservation Congress would work with the DNR on the matter.

When I learned of this, I reached out to the Natural Resources Board (which oversees both the WCC and the DNR) they were informed of a different telling of events and that the DNR would NOT be running the question and because the WCC tabled my resolution, it was dead for yet another year. In effect, the WCC, through a procedural process, halted my resolution for another year.

I raised the issue and began speaking out on how they once again overruled voters and were trying to once again kill the matter for another year. This prompted an NRB member to draft a question that would be asked at the spring hearings (the spring hearing questionnaire has questions that originate from 1 of 4 origins and those are 1. Prior year citizen resolutions that survive the process, 2. WCC questions born in the committees. 3. DNR questions and 4. NRB questions.)

The insurance policy I had created early on was paying off. The actions of the WCC and the DNR upset the NRB. They could see they were conspiring yet again, trying to prevent asking a question they may not like the answer to. The wording of the NRB question was deliberated over, refined and then read at a meeting of the Natural Resources Board. Members of the Conservation Congress and the DNR were present at that reading and they (surprise surprise) offered to run the question (suddenly they had an interest in the matter). They were shut down by the NRB who told them they had ample chance at this and their actions had now excluded them from the matter. In fact, one member of the NRB asked if any of this was required at all and that the DNR should simply adjust the crossbow season since the data supported the action and that the DNR ought to adjust the crossbow season for 2018. The NRB was informed that there was no time to reflect that in the regulation in such a short time frame but this was clearly a shot across the bow of both the DNR and the NRB that they were not going to tolerate the actions of those two bodies and their attempt to disenfranchise voters that for two years, supported the adjusting of the crossbow season.

The question that voters will answer is very clear and simple. The result will tell the NRB the will of the public for 2018. I would expect that the public will support adjusting the crossbow season duration. If so, then we will set about setting the final duration of that season. Nobody is suggesting an end to the crossbow season, only the final setting of the season length in accordance with the legislation that created it. I and others support the crossbower and their activity. While its not something Im interested in doing because I am a bowhunter, I understand that at some point down the road and due to advanced age or disability, I may one day have to quit the sport of bowhunting. I can either stay home or take up the sport of crossbow hunting. I have no distain for the crossbower. I wish them well and may at some point in the distant future, be one and will accept the season duration that is set based on impacts to the resource. I have been working on this matter since 2012. I will accept the vote of the public regardless of the outcome. I only wanted that the public get the opportunity to be asked their opinion and provide the state with direction. Regarless of the outcome, the state will continue total separation of bowhunting and crossbowing so we will be able to track usage and success. If the adjustment does not happen in 2019, it will happen further down the road because we were clever enough to get the separation from actual bowhunting.

As far as comments made that the Wisconsin Bowhunters Association is being selfish or not wanting other hunters in the woods or them not wanting to share the woods with others. That is about the silliest thing I have ever heard. Ever since bowhunting started, bowhunters have shared the woods with all other folks that enjoy the fall and winter forests. The WBH is not anti crossbow and in fact has crossbow hunters in their membership. Their mission is to preserve, promote and protect the sport of bowhunting in Wisconsin. I hope this corrects some of the false comments that have ben made in this thread by others.

Ron, why does the news clipping appear on the Wisconsin Bowhunters Ass. website that Brust wants to stop crossbow hunters from hunting during the rut?

As far as the data you are using, last years data without actual registration of the actual deer killed with which type of bow is just numbers. Easily skewed!

For the most part I'm not buying what you are trying to sell.

That is not a requirement for the truth to be the truth. Case in point. The earth is round yet there exists a segment of the population that demands its flat. You are free to believe or disbelieve as you wish. Mine was only a telling of there timeline of events since I have lived it for the last 7 years.

Ron, you wouldn't know what the truth is if it crashed thru the ceiling and landed in your lap. After what you have done in the past, don't lecture me on the truth.
Your motto should be,"Don't let the truth get in the way of telling a good story" You and WBA have been less than forthright about your intentions.

Are you denying that you and WBA want to stop crossbow hunting during the rut in Wisconsin? I'll await your answer.

Again Your believing is not required. I will go so far as to say that modern technology has not yet invented a device sensitive enough to detect how little I care if people believe the events of the last 7 years. I know the exacting details as I have been party to all of it. Believe it or not. I won't cafe either way.



The discussion of what the season structure for crossbowers would look like is only in its infancy. We are discussing a variety of season dates based on DNR data. If the goal is equity in harvest while allowing for unlimited usage for anybody that wants to be a crossbower one needs to look at the harvest data. That data shows nearly no harvest by crossbowers in late December and Early Jan so trimming off those days would not result in an equitable harvest per weapon. Discussions are ongoing in advance of the vote in case voters support adjusting the crossbow season but rest assured there are a variety of scenarios being discussed.

One party that is not at the table is the Wisconsin Crossbow Federation. Right after the crossbow season we created, that group dissolved. (as was expected). These had no membership and thus folded like a cheap card table. In fact I just visited their facebook page which states:

"The Wisconsin Crossbow Federation has disbanded. Our goal was to legalize crossbows for hunting along side of all other archers. Mission Accomplished. THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT!"

Why does there need to be any special seasons?

Deer is either open or it ain't. Use whatever the fugg you wish when open, go fishing when it ain't open.

Wisconsin has dedicated seasons for deer. We have a season for bowhunting and a season for crossbowing and a season for firearms and a season for Muzzleloading. What is NOT up for discussion is the elimination of any season. The seasons exists. eliminating or creating additional seasons is not on the table so discussion of such is wasted typing.

As far as the crossbow federation is concerned, I could care less as I don't/won't belong to lobbying groups such as yours and have never been a member of any group.

But I can see that with the intentions your group has, dues and lobbying have to be a part of it. To get passed some of the ideas you have/had
others need to take it in the shorts so you can pass the savings onto yourselves. The only Heritage your group can pass on is one of lobbying,
with the goal to limit other types of hunters opportunities.

I saw how Brust explained "The Data" on his fall 2017 address and I'm sure smellin' what you guys are cookin' up, and its got a bad aroma to it.

Again Your believing is not required. I will go so far as to say that modern technology has not yet invented a device sensitive enough to detect how little I care if people believe the events of the last 7 years. I know the exacting details as I have been party to all of it. Believe it or not. I won't cafe either way.



In layman's terms what chainsaw is trying to tell you is: Your a hypocritcal, lying, poacher that can't tell the truth if you tried. You're like Larry Root, banned but won't go away.

Ahhhhhh. He's THAT Ron Kulas - authority on deer in WI and "rules-don't-apply-to-me-Ron-Kulas"...

Link:
http://host.madison.com/sports/recr...9217f20-56bb-11e2-b15a-001a4bcf887a.html

Yes there is a segment of every population that is for self and only self and won't work to defend what they have enjoyed at the hands of the work of others. We carry that sort over the finish line on our backs as they kick and scream and call us names.



Again you are incorrect. WBH does not have a lobbyist. It has not for many many years. You invent stuff to make yourself feel good about your position. I would warn against getting too deep in such inventions. You lose sight of reality.




Again you manufacture your own flawed reality and then fall for it.



Imagine a scenario where you believe everything I or Brust say. Then imagine one where you don't believe us. Now tell me how ether make a bit of difference? What you believe or not is not in any way important. Remember, you don't join or belong to groups. You are an army of none. I certainly don't care either way what it is you believe. Aside from you. Can you name anybody else that would care what you believe that has a say in how the crossbow season is structured?

Those little crabapples didn't fall far from the Crabtree either did they Ron. I've got a feeling you won't be here long.

I'm getting lost here. Who is Larry Root? Also, there should have never been a TEMPORARY season that is a full season. If you make something like that , then you make the crossbow season shorter temporarily. If thing go good, maybe make it a bit longer , not the other way around. Now we have people " shortening crossbow season" . Very bad idea. Maybe it should have been a month at first, see how people react. In New York it starts a few weeks after bow season starts. Why does Wisconsin screw everything up?

There was no temporary crossbow season. The crossbow season was created. Its not being deleted. What was temporary was the length until data could be collected. The parties involved, all agreed that the length would be adjusted if need be. You can play pretend but that is a pointless effort.

Ihookem......are you playing pretend? Lmao

Data courtesy of the WI DNR. The success rate of actual bowhunters is pretty consistent and has been for many years. The same can be said of gun deer hunters. The success rate of the crossbower. is greater than even gun deer hunters. This speaks to the efficiency of the weapon and the long temporary season duration. Since its unlikely that one could reduce the killing potential of the weapon, season duration is the logical means by which to bring the harvest on par with other weapons (per the mandates of the legislation that created the crossbow season.)

Some (out of state hunters) will ask, why only use buck kill data? The answer is simple. In Wisconsin, Antlerless deer are killed at a regulated or mandated rate. Some counties still don't allow the killing of any antlerless deer due to a low population while other counties offer one antlerless tag with the purchase of a license while others offer 2 or 3 antlerless tags. Some allow for additional bonus antlerless tags and some counties offer no bonus antlerless tags.

Some counties have additional antlerless seasons while others do not so anterless harvest is very inconsistent from county to county and from year to year so they make a poor yardstick for harvest data.

Bucks on the other hand are killed at opportunity rate meaning everybody that buys a license gets a buck tag across the board and people hunt for bucks but may or may not take a doe in the process of hunting bucks.

This data was gather with hunters using existing offerings in both bows and crossbows. Bows have long since reached their maximum lethality since the user is limited by his or her own human strength. Crossbows however are still in their infancy regarding power and design and lethality, range and accuracy so its understandable that the success rates of the crossbower climbs each year and will continue to do so while despite advances in "accessories" for actual bowhunters, we are limited in our lethality by our own human strength to hoist back a peak weight we can muster at the time of out attempts on game.

Crossbows boasting gun-like groups at 100 and 200 yards don't know the limits of a bow and arrow.



This is what draws former bowhunters and existing gun deer hunters to crossbowing.
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Skewed results. The other forum you run your mouth in proved it.

Glad to see that Ron has not changed one bit.

How's the baiting been?

He even pays to be a sponsor on archerytalk and has to talk in 3rd person (his son) to participate. He has run his kids name in the dirt now too. Great role model for his boys and their track record shows for. The apples didn't fall far from the tree. ; )

Why not just a DEER season, period. Why does there need to be an LGBT lobby to kill deer?

So many fuggers want to be special and have 1st crack.

Lgbt......uh oh!!! 🙊

The question makes no sense. WI has weapons specific seasons (as all states do) that fact is not on the table. Its not even part of the state's discussion. I suppose its fun to play pretend on a forum but the issue at hand is the reduction of the WI crossbow season. No season is being eliminated. Nobody is suggesting such a thing.

I'm waiting for you to talk in tried person about this smart guy coming up with it like you have in one of the other forums you troll. These guys will chew you up.

As my kids would say...ROASTED!!

Ok Ronnie boy is proving my point from earlier. There is not a more arrogant, blow hard, hypocritical group of whiners than the WBA. They want the woods to themselves. I may buy a crossbow lisc in WI just for them. Rut hunt baby!!

Took a bit longer than I thought but this jackass has proven him self once again. Whiney poacher that tries to come across as the savior of bowhunting. Another bow hunter I would not stand it the same room with and say I am also hunter. People like this who claim to be helping the sport of hunting are doing more damage than the antis. We are hunters regardless of the tool.

Thinking ol Ron is pissed at a crossbow hunter. Crossbow hunter must of shot Rons buck,insert some dumb nickname for the deer here, before it got to his cornpile.

Ron do us all a favor especially those in Wi go crawl under a rock and STFU. Do whatever you want as far as hunting legal or illegal Wi hunters and nonhunters don't need to hear about it. You are a hypocritical dumbass of the worst kind, your to dumb to realize your dumb.

You make no sense. It's obvious you are a Yankee, liberal, 'elitist'

Tell me you didn't vote for Obama and Hillary.

You think he didn’t?

The WBA (Wisconsin Bear Hunters Association) doesn't really care about the issue. The WBH (Wisconsin Bowhunters Association) does however have an interest. As to you quitting the sport of bowhunting to take up cross bowing, You have had that ability since 2014.

Correct. There are bowhunter, Gun hunters, crossbow hunters, etc. In the grand scheme we are all hunters but WI has dedicated weapons and seasons types that distills is all down further. All are good and I support them all.



Actually I know many folks that quit the sport of bowhunting to take up the sport of cross bowing. In fact, I bought 2 crossbows last year. 1 for my 83 year old father and another for my older brother who had to quit the sport of bowhunting. If at some point in the distant future, I too have to quit the sport of bowhunting and take up the sport of cross bowing, I will embrace it. I won't try to pass myself of as or pretend to be s bowhunter.

Thanks for the kind words. Proud Northern son.



Ted Cruz Actually. It didn't care for Trump at first but I have warmed up to him. I think he is doing a pretty good job. Hillary should have been in jail long ago but this is far afield from the reduction of the WI crossbow season.

Why buy your dad a crossbow? You're just going to shoot the first dink spike you see off his bait pile anyhow. Poor guy doesnt have a chance....lol

Not so sharp things is making a run at the dumbest fire member. For sure is the current hypocrite champion. I lived and hunted in marathon and portage counties for many years. Mist of the other members of the wbh are just like knot head.

I still hunt Portage and Marathon Counties and a few others. The crossbow issue is statewide and not county specific.

"Mist" ???

Let me guess.....an idiot and all his idiot buddies voted eachother in? Letting a poacher be on any sort of board or otherwise says enough for me about the WBH.

Compound bows, crossbows, and in-line muzzle loaders are the dumbest fugking things ever invented. You're either "primitive" or you ain't.

Agree that multiple seasons are equally stupid.




Travis

I too count myself a fan of PA’s primitive firearms season rules.

Then you will want to avoid WI (or any state that has an archery deer season and a crossbow season and a ML season.) You centerfire deer hunter guys are sure an elite and selfish bunch. Good thing you are not party to setting season structure here and are on the outside looking in and will not have a seat at the WI table as we adjust the crossbow season.

What did you poach that spike off the illegal corn pile with? Oh wait......it was a CENTERFIRE. Lmao

Well we are into phase two. Ron starts out by ignoring those who disagree with him. Phase two is the sarcastic and in his mind witty responses to people. Soon we will have the off topic personal attacks. Hopefully he is then banned. I have seen this show about a half dozen times already on other forums. What a jackass.

He isn't ignoring me, he has me on ignore. I know too much personal info well beyond this that eats at him.

You didn't answer the question about Obama. I don't recall seeing Ted Cruz on my ballot.

LOL at voting for Obummer. The guys was a caner on America. If you voted for him Im sorry for hurting your feelings but the guy was a post turtle.

Anyhow. Tomorrow night WI sportsmen and women will have the opportunity to vote on supporting the reduction of the crossbow season. Its the info from sportsmen that the NRB will be interested in as it sets about reducing the season.

as a bowhunter and getting older "64" and yes here in Minnesota 60 is the legal age for x-bows. here`s my thought or 2 cents: why not leave it the way it is with x-bows in the archery season for now ? Then do a 5 year study about x-bows in archery season, then make a decision ? here`s the other part let`s all take a deep breath, cool down and all remember we are all hunters that just use a different type harvest tool sometimes, remember PETA is listening and reading what we post they are our liberal enemy !!!!

WI has already done a 4 year study. The data is in. WI does not have crossbows in the archery season. WI has a separate crossbow season and it also has an archery deer season for bowhunters. This enterprise is to establish the final season structure for the crossbowsers. The archery deer season is not up for adjustment or change.

Who's Ron?

The guy who worked to get the separate crossbow season and the guy who has been working to shorten it. The vote to direct the NRB happens tomorrow night.

Sharp things is Ron Kulas. A lying hypocritical poacher who thinks he is the savior of deer hunting, bow hunting in particular, in Wisconsin.

Sharp things, you baited deer in a no bait county and knew it was illegal. Then you use your elderly dad as an excuse. I also wonder how you only ended up with a $ 343 fine. It is $514 for the few people I know that got caught, I was not one of them neither. Why on earth would you do that?

This is Ron...

http://www.deeranddeerhunting.com/a...ng-wisconsin-legislative-liaison-resigns

http://www.lake-link.com/forums/General-Hunting-Discussion/discuss.cfm/112688/Kulas-Farm-sold/

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2013396&page=5

He's has about a dozen different user names because almost every forum has banned him. He must've got a new IP address because the cancer is back.

From link above:

Ron Kulas:
A Wisconsin Bowhunters Association board member who is also its legislative liaison and represented the WBH on a 2007-08 stakeholder panel that helped rewrite DNR policies on chronic wasting disease was cited for illegal baiting/feeding Nov. 17 in Portage County.


So, a guy that helped write policies on CWD (which included banning the use of bait in CWD zones) gets busted for hunting over bait in a CWD zone. Oooooohhhhh, the irony.

Ron, you're an embarrassment to sportsman everywhere. Do us all (and yourself) a favor and go away - again.

I like the way he responded to the kids in the one link. Sort of explains his own a bit. 🙊

More irony attached to DIYguy/sharp_Things........

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...-is-attempting-to-curb-homos#Post9021443

I’m glad I asked.

Seems to me that a lot of hunters still think the choice of weapon is about them and their choices. It isn’t.

All these choices we have are, for a large part, based upon the DNR’s need for us to kill deer. Period.

And that’s good! This is our place in society; living in a democracy as a minority this is our foothold.

We can fill our role and kill deer or whine about stylistic concerns and kill ourselves.

I think your getting some bad info. You are not dealing with facts.

I got a citation in 2012 for feeding deer. That fine is $343. The fine for Baiting over the limit is $544. I think there are some that want to pretend I got a citation for baiting. Sadly (for them) its was only a citation for feeding deer.

Anyway. For those in Wisconsin, here are the meeting locations for tonight. Note, some locations have changes this year so don't just go to your usual meeting location.

http://dnr.wi.gov/About/WCC/Documents/spring_hearing/2018/2018hearinglocations.pdf

He's a poacher. And a WI Bowhunters Association blow hard.

Actually There has never been a citation for poaching. Not a single time. Equally incorrect is the claim of being a WBH blowhard. If memory serves, the retirement was taken 6 years ago.

But hey, its your story, tell it anyway that makes you feel good. The facts aren't important and revisionist recreation of history is a lot more fun anyway. Am I right or am I right?

You got fined for killing a deer over bait in a no bait county. On a farm that you were well aware of was in the middle of a CWD zone, which you also know.

Go away.

You're a poacher. Which is wrong.

I'm not a "centerfire deer hunter." I don't even know that I'm a deer hunter.

As far as avoiding Wisconsin, that's akin to telling me the sun rises in the east. It doesn't need saying. You live in a schit hole.

Nope. Swing and a miss. Try again.

Our loss. I wonder how we will get along without you.

does this mean we wont see you tonight at the spring hearings where we set about the process of shortening the crossbow season?

And this sentiment is coming from a FIB from Cook County, IL. LMFAO!

Nope. Swing and grand fu cking slam. Poacher.

I'm not from Cook County.




Dave

Sorry. It was mostly an epic fail on your part. You are welcome to try again if you like. I'm not going to give up on you. I think you have the capacity to learn and get it right. Baby steps.

The legal end result may (or may not be) telling of what really transpired.

Some dirty mofo's get by with stuff, some innocent folks pay fines.

"In explaining his Nov. 17 citation, however, Kulas claimed on Bowsite.com that he was cited for a feeding, not baiting, violation, even though Meister noted both are illegal."

The "BOTH ARE ILLEGAL" part tells me all I need to know. Obviously the DNR didn't just happen upon you on private land. My guess is you've baited plenty and your neighbors got tired of it.

Second grand slam of the morning.

Yup a citation for feeding deer in 2012. $343.5

A citation for baiting is higher but again, folks are free to manufacture whatever reality they like its there into that sort of thing. Its fun for them. Like a hobby.

I dont think I've ever heard of a plea bargain in court before. I'm guessing the stepping down "retirement" from the wbh was part of it. Squirm Ron squirm. Don't you wish some things never "come out of the closet"? 😲

Safariman II

Defense and prosecutor can deal before it goes to court.
And that's after a ticket, which might be for less than what really happened.
So...............court results may or may not be telling of what went on.
Bogus tickets happen too........and when it's just a fine, some innocents say F it and just take the cheapest route and go back to living life.

IMHO paying a fine is just paying a fine- accusations and defenses based on that fine...........don't mean squat

Over the weekend I was attracting game (baiting or feeding, its up to you) Hickory wood smoke seems to be a great attractant/bait for several species.

The only “fine” was fine eating.

Dick move.
Deer hunting sub forum, and you post picks of beef
At least after supposed 30 yrs of bowhunting and working with making single bevel 2 blades..........you finally chose a decent head.
Why the fork didn't you use that on the Hawaiian bull?
4 shots w big 3 blade screams dumbarse..........esp when you knew of Ashby data.

And pork. dont forget to get all animated about the pork (gasp!) . Its a thread about reducing the crossbow season but we stopped talking about that a few pages ago. Its sort of a free for all thread as of late. Chill. Its all good.



42 years of bowhunting. (I want you to be up to speed) Yes, those cutthroats rock. Ive been using a different head for each remote hunt.

Nov in WI it was slick trick
Jan Russain boar in Mich was Woodsman
Feb, Vancouver bull and pigs in Hawaii was with a Roger Rothhaar Snuffer because Roger just passed away and it was a sort of tribute to him.
March was Water Buffalo and hogs in Texas and Cutthroat heads.
The next hunt and state and species is uncertain but I may be using an Iron Will head.



Roger just passed away prior to my Hawaii hunt and it was a sort of tribute to him. One shot was enough but when the guide says shot him again, you do. rule #1. You always listen to the guide. ITs a good thing you asked so you would not be left wondering.



I made my first single bevel head more than a decade ago. Ed Ashby and I wrote a companion piece on the effectiveness of Single bevel heads in Traditional bowhunter magazine in 2008. He still uses my data in his presentations. Likewise, if you go to the Bone broadhead website (new single bevel broadhead maker). you will see images of my experiments with single bevels. Just trying to keep you on the cutting edge of up-to-date info.

Voted and left the meeting before it began at 7pm.. If this improvement doest happen this year we will do it all over, next year.

Talk about selfish, the bow hunter pricks fit this perfectly ! There should be one season.. Use what you like..

Thats not up for a vote or even debate in WI. Not selfish in the least. This is the setting of the crossbow season as per the legislation. After a few years of data gathering after a temporary crossbows season duration the last step was to use the harvest data to set the final season structure for the X bowers. Gun deer hunters were the one getting the short end of the stick (they go last in WI) and there was no suggestion or movement to shorten the archery deer season. Folks want to invent all manner of scenarios that are not even up for discussion for tonights vote. The only thing on the table is what the duration of the new crossbow season and should it be shortened from its temporary length during the data gathering years.

Someone doesn't sound all too confident.

http://host.madison.com/sports/recr...9217f20-56bb-11e2-b15a-001a4bcf887a.html

Thanks for finding this article. Might of been fined for feeding deer but was hunting over bait and shot a deer. Here is the key point if you don"t want to hit the link.

"Kulas was cited about 10 a.m. on opening day of Wisconsin’s nine-day firearms deer season by Department of Natural Resources Warden Barry Meister. The citation notes Kulas was hunting from a tree stand about 40 yards from where corn was spread, and Kulas admitted dumping “about half of a 5-gallon pail of shell corn” the previous Monday, Nov. 12.

“The subject stated he placed the corn at this location because his elderly father was planning on hunting from this stand, but (his father) changed his mind and hunted elsewhere,” Meister wrote. The citation also notes Kulas shot a spike buck before Meister arrived."


Here is my favorite tidbit from the article.

"On another online forum in August 2011, Kulas wrote: “Unless those ‘magic stumps’ are within 50 yards of your house, they are illegal bait sites, which makes (you) as good as a poacher.”"

So by your own definition you are a POACHER plain and simple.

If your so worried about Gun hunters why not take other steps to help them out. All this bs is about is getting hunters out of the woods so you and the rest of the whiny elitist douchebag bowhunters have less competition. You want no one in the woods that might shoot "your" deer. In your case personally, fewer people means fewer potential witnesses to you doing something illegal. I speak for alot of hunters when I say that you are a lying self centered pain the ass that is doing nothing for the sport of hunting as a whole except hurting it. We don't need someone like you trying to speak for any of us as you might come across as speaking for all of us which will do more harm than good. Please find somewhere else to be a pompous jackass.

Cool story bro. I think you are pretty ill informed but that's ok. You go with that as it seems to make you happy and thats what really matters.

At any rate. We should find other today if the adjustment to the crossbow season will happen in 2019 or if we need to do this again next year to shorten the season starting in 2020.

The DNR officer that was quoted in the poaching article lied? Lmao.....such a toolbox.

POACHER

From browsing other forums, it sounds like the wbh will lose the battle. I don't think the way Ron presents himself helps their cause.

It certainly does not. I can't wait to x-bow hunt the WI rut next year.

You could have done that for the last 4 years in WI. We welcome you. Bowhunting is not for everybody. Not all are up to the challenge of bowhunting and so, 4 years ago, WI created a crossbow hunting season and license and registration for that sort.

You should take your fat arrogant ass elsewhere.

Usually I do bowhunt it. Not this year though. I'm going to stick one with a bolt. Might even get the kids involved. They're usually bow hunters as well. But we are going to stick a few for the WBH. Next year too. Because you're little proposal won't pass then either.

Sounds like it's a drop in the bucket that was against giving equal opportunity to ALL Wisconsin ARCHERY hunters. Embrace the suck Kulas....oh wait....

Cool story bro. Post pics. Crossbow hunters are hunters too. (their just not bowhunters) but I'm sure they enjoy what they do too. Make sure to purchase the crossbow hunting license as you wont be able to buy the archery deer license and use a crossbow. Yes, get kids involved. The crossbow is perfect for little kids and small women and the elderly and handicapped that cant rise to the challenges of bowhunting. Later on in life, those kids may take up the sport of bowhunting.

Man.....you illegal corn pilers sure get your panties in a twist when you lose. Sounds like you have anger issues.

You know what else is good for the handicapped? Shooting spikes over bait piles in CWD zones. You know quite a bit about that, though. Don'tcha Ronnie?

Oh he's got more issues than anger.

Well no but you will cling to that despite the facts so run with it.

It's all about greed. Really is boys and girls. Compound users want to say it's about ethics and the difficulty. They suddenly cared about the heard and gun hunters, but in the end they are taking up that path because they want the biggest bucks at their dumbest time(rut) to themselves. Sadly, money speaks and new hunters to the field speaks louder than greed. Sounds like from reviews from all the counties crossbow hunters trounced the compound guys like they should of. =) I even got my pregnant wife to come out and trounce since she got her first kill a year ago because of a crossbow.

So good luck on ever getting this reversed. I don't know how you compound hunters will survive now. Ask DNR for a new season for blow darts only before archery season so you can go back to 1st pickings?

=)

hahahahaha.. GAME OVER BOYS

Cool story bro.....lol

I knew some cool old bowhunters that had to go to X bow to stay hunting during archery season.
Not one of them called themselves a bowhunter at that stage of the game. Crossbow hunter or hunter.

Not "bowhunter".

I do know of one blowhard redneck elitist that was against X bows, then needed one........and tells anybody that's within ear shot that he's a "bowhunter".
Same dude wears a toupee.

Some folks can't accept aging or unjuries..........or other truths.

But I think the majority that try to spin stuff...........subscribe to a culture of identity, not integrity.

I'm thinking that regardless of the vote outcome, the crossbow season will indeed be reduced. Just a wild hunch.

P.S. Strong first post. Welcome aboard.

Everybody wants to think they're friggin special.

IMHO........most people suck. Doesn't matter what they carry into the woods.

Used to be that bowhunters had a decent work ethic. Some slobs, as with any group..........but lesser %.
As the sport has grown..........it's gotten more A holes.

Worked sporting retail for a stretch.........the average deer hunter (bow, x bow or gun)..........aint somebody I'd have a beer with.

I agree hookeye

That's good! I think North Korea will give up it's nukes as well! I put about the same weight of believe in both those statements!!
=)

DNR will never shorten. Money speaks. New hunters to the field speaks. Greed does not speak. Only dates that matter are the weeks around the rut, you take away that, then you take away the new hunters and money.

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Actually no. The data shows that the crossbow was not responsible for bringing new license buyers into the woods. It shows that it shifted existing bowhunters and gun deer hunters to crossbow hunting. The myth of recruitment was dispelled in the 2nd year of the trial period and further proven in the next 2 years.

The "DNR" is not tasked with adjusting the crossbow season. That responsibility falls to the Natural Resources Board and they instruct the DNR to enforce the new season structure. Its not a money issue (nor has it ever been) The DNR has a budget regardless if a gun or bowhunter buys a crossbow license. Nobody is taking away crossbow hunting, just setting the final season structure. I fear you are not operating in the realm of reality in this matter.

As to the NRB adjusting the crossbow season, the vote was only advisory. While the results are not yet published, they are not the requirement to adjust the season. the harvest data is what is used as the cause of the adjustment and that data is very compelling and good reason for their adjusting the crossbow season length.. The NRB only sought to gauge public support for the eventual adjustment by have the public weigh in with their opinion. The vote is non-binding and the decision is and has been the prevue of the NRB.

Language in the adoption of the initial X bow season appears to have included a review, and in that possible adjustment of timing/length.
We have a similar type of thing going on with Indiana's HP rifle test period.

The question is...........was such language used to just get it passed (by appearance of limits/adjustment) or did they really mean it?

They gotta keep various groups of hunters and non hunters happy, while securing their political careers.
Things aren't often what they seem.

Even if they were honest in having a review period, they may or may not change it (data supported or not).

I don't trust the DNR or any boards.
People suck.
Esp when in groups.

The NRB and the parties that drafted the legislation are very serious about the trial period and the adjustment. They in fact are the driving force backed with harvest data of the crossbower. With or without the vote, the NRB has the data required to adjust the season length to a sorter duration. I expect that is exactly what will happen based on recent communications.

That is not a requirement. Your (or any bodies) trust is not even a part of the equation. The DNR IS NOT at the helm. They merely enforce what the NRB instructs them to. The board will determine whether or not the crossbow season will be adjusted based on the collected harvest data and then direct the DNR to write a scope statement to set about the process of shortening the season. The NRB will then use the harvest data to select the days/weeks of reduction to arrive at an estimated harvest success rate to bring them on par with other weapons types. This is all very cut and dried.

Devoid of emotion and driven by data and proactive (which is refreshing as it relates to game management.) The responsibility and authority of the upcoming adjustment of the crossbow season falls upon the NRB who will direct the DNR to enact it. It will then be made part of administrative code.

DNR here tried to pull a fast one recently.
9th Circuit of Appeals kinda crap......somebody in power making an interpretation that was blatantly bogus.

Devoid of emotion - you're a violator. Why you continue to associate with actual sportsman is a bit perplexing.

Perhaps your state's DNR has powers ours does not. Our DNR serves a functionary role largely in enforcement but the NRB instructs them, not the other way around.

Ive been working on this matter since 2012. The creation of the crossbow season, the season duration as well as the author of the resolution for the reduction of the season length in both 2016 and 2017. Its a matter I care about so I do what I can to aid in getting this right based on data.

Your past indiscretions don't exactly make all believe you have the interest of hunters or animals in mind - merely yourself.

6 failed years. Sounds like a great track record. Keep at it....you'll figure out your purpose someday.

Data.

Hopefully the collection and the experiment were done right.

Science over politics.

I've seen Six Sigma masters blow some pretty easy stuff.

The irony of stopping a legal form of hunting the same year you get busted for an illegal form. Man youre something.

The state collects the data as directed by statutory and administrative code mandates. WI collects all the data for every license sold based on weapons type then when a deer is harvested, the state mandates registration which is also by weapons type. This way, the NRB can see the success rates for each weapon and the trends that are created.



In the case of the season reduction, the mandate is that the collected data would be the driver for any adjustment, not the opinion of less than 1/2 of 1 percent of license buyers that bothered to show up and share their opinion. The vote for simply to gauge support for the eventual reduction, not to determine IF the reduction will take place.

This was broke down mathematically on another forum and didn't have the impact this shows. Oddly enough, once the data was broke down it was deleted. Keep spinning it Ron.

That is not a requirement. What folks believe about me or not is not material to this. At some point in time down the road, If I become injured/handicapped or so elderly that I cant be a bowhunter any more, I too would be bound by the very change I am advocating for if I were to take up the sport of crossbowing or crossbow hunting or whatever they call what they do.

From another forum....

"It was packed and out the door for the meeting last night! The WBH were few and quite surprised and seemed very uncomfortable! Lol Sorry ba&”@$:s! The crossbow season should remain the same if every meeting had the same turn out! Thank you to all my WI crossbow hunters and supporters!"

No wonder why Ron voted, tucked tail and left. Seems he would've stayed to lobby his rule change.

Tomorrow the NRB will meet. The reporting of the opinion gathering of last night is not yet been posted (and its not important to the matter since it was opinion gathering) The NRB member that delivered the well written question has amended the NRB meeting agenda to address the shortening of the crossbow season. As I stated earlier, I expect the adjustment regardless of the tally of last night. That's all I can say on the matter at this point.

FYI, even before this opinion gathering, and at the last meeting of the NRB, they board asked the DNR to shorten the crossbow season for this year. THe DNR said there was not time to react in time for the 2018 season. Folks wont know how the DNR has conducted itself in this matter but the NRB does. I expect the NRB to use the data to adjust the crossbow season.

Sounds like Greg Kazmierski will lose his job the more he pushes the wrong way. Wont' matter in the end. You can live in your little world of false message/hope for people in here. What day you want me to spot check you back and throw your bogus comments back? the 12th after the meeting on the 11th?
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Lol just found this post on another site.

""If some of you are bored, check out this website forum.
Good old ronnie (rancid crabtree) Kulas is back at it. Look for poster sharp things.
This is really more interesting then CNN, MNSBC, & FOXX news on Trump.""

Is that you mr sharp things?!?!

It ain’t happening Ronnie.

The determination as to whether or not the NRB will announce when the crossbow season will be adjusted is solely based on collected harvest and usage data. the folks holding their breath, waiting for the results of last nights opinion gathering to be released are a bit late to the party. The required input is already published. If the results of last nights opinion gathering show the majority of those that attended want the crossbow season to stay as long as it is for another temporary data gathering year, that group will no doubt think the matter is settled and that last nights gathering was important.

That group wont disclose that the turnout (which will be roughly 6 to 7,000 sportsmen out of the estimated 1 million plus sportsmen in WI or less than 1/10th of 1 percent) is part of the reason last night's opinion gathering is not required for the NRB to adjust the crossbow season. Annually, the results of the WCC hearings are not acted upon or are acted upon directly opposite of the votes taken. The votes are non-binding and are mostly tradition since the bread and butter work of the WCC is administrative code and not statute.

Far too many are inserting emotion into this without a full understanding of the matter. FYI, Mr. Kazmierski was just reappointed to another 6 year term on the NRB.

Oh oh!! Ronnie and Mr. Kazmierki are about to lose their little fight.
Terms are made to be terminated. No job is secure regardless of term.
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Everyone, just ignore this toad. It's false information. Yes, last night's vote was pretty much pointless but all knew that going it. It was more of a public representation. Mr. Sharp Things ronnie who trolls multiple boards with this crap is just upset that I stole his buck last year and that the woods are too noisy now disturbing his 1st pickings rut hunt.

Like I said, come back to his boards in a few days or when the official press release is out that nothing is changing. Then the posts from Rancid Crabtree will disappear.

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No they won't. He never stops running that C-holster mouth of his.

I think the entire matter was very misunderstood by the masses. I dont think some folks understood the crossbow season duration was temporary and that these last few seasons were used to set the final season duration after the data was collected. They actually thought these last few years was the final season duration. Then folks thought lasts night’s gathering was important to the adjustment of the crossbow season. I fear people will be disappointed when the crossbow season is reduced. Some even thought the crossbow season was going to be eliminated despite the clear wording of the question.

In the end, the crossbow season will be adjusted so that the success rate is on par with that of other weapons and its impacts on the resource are taken into consideration not only for today but into the future as crossbow usage and advancements continue. Good game management is proactive, not reactive. Even if the season duration is 8 weeks, nothing is being lost or taken away from the crossbower unless folks want to pretend that the trial period was not a trail period. The crossbow season will still be quite long allowing folks ample opportunity to crossbow hunt. All ages and sexes will still be able to hunt deer in all manner of weather. I do not understand the overly emotional stuff though. I find it odd.

I see Ronnie's mind works in mysterious ways. I'm seriously concerned about your well being and health when the rules don't change. There is no fair adjustment of dates man. There is only 2 - 3 weeks that matter during archery, and they are not taking that away from crossbow. I mean, if they want to take away Sept to Mid Oct, have at it and I would vote for that all day. However, come late october early november Ronnie is going to see me out in those der woods for many years to come with a crossbow and a smile. =)

No but seriously ron ron. Like I care about your mental health, and when this doesn't change I don't want you to stop hunting. The woods is for everyone man, and never forget that. I might have a crossbow you can use this year if you want to. Just let me know big guy!

Any perceived visceral reaction likely centers on Ronald G. Kulas being an admitted and convicted poacher, who, nevertheless, continues lobbying hunting regulation.

As we begun our deliberation as to the final crossbow season structure that was and remains an option a few suggested. Basically there were two schools of thought. Start the xbow season the same day as real bowhunting and then end it on or about Oct 25 and since the WI gun deer season is an any weapons season, cross bowing would reopen on the day of the gun deer season.

The other school of though we are deliberating is opening the crossbow season on or about Oct 25th. You seem eager for that option. (noted)



Thanks but I am a bowhunter. If I become feeble or really old or handicapped, I may take you up on the offer. Until then, I will be a bowhunter. Im sure what you do is fun too.

Actually that is not a factual statement. Nothing was ever poached and no conviction was made. I did however receive a civil citation (a simple fine for feeding deer) Like getting a speeding ticket is a simple civil citation. but hey, its your story, fly your freak flag any way you see fit. If you want to manufacture a reality all your own, who am I to say otherwise? Play pretend all you want. It sounds like fun.

OHH BABY!! I got added to some sticky notes Ronnie has at home!!!! Yayyy!!!!

In the end, ill be out all season. Crossbow or Compound. I have a taste for how easy it is during the rut from a tree with any weapon. I'm not shooting 40+ yards ever. My shots are all 20-30yards at most. I have every equipment needed to take your deer Ron Ron.

I like how you just told some dude he is 'manufacturing his own reality' when that is exactly what your doing. The worst part about your mental health today is that you believe it. You sure you don't want to use one of my crossbows next season? You sure you don't already use one and WHEN THE LAW stays the same you won't be out purchasing one?

That's what we need the NRB to vote on. To make a law that says Ron Ron (sharp_things) is not legally permitted to buy a crossbow ever. Hahahaha.

Per: http://host.madison.com/sports/recr...9217f20-56bb-11e2-b15a-001a4bcf887a.html

Kulas was cited about 10 a.m. on opening day of Wisconsin’s nine-day firearms deer season by Department of Natural Resources Warden Barry Meister. The citation notes Kulas was hunting from a tree stand about 40 yards from where corn was spread, and Kulas admitted dumping “about half of a 5-gallon pail of shell corn” the previous Monday, Nov. 12.

“The subject stated he placed the corn at this location because his elderly father was planning on hunting from this stand, but (his father) changed his mind and hunted elsewhere,” Meister wrote. The citation also notes Kulas shot a spike buck before Meister arrived.

The illegal hunting of game is poaching. You were caught hunting over bait that you admit to supplying.

Actually that is not a factual statement. Nothing was ever poached and no conviction was made. I did however receive a civil citation (a simple fine for feeding deer) but hey, its your story, fly your freak flag any way you see fit. If you want to manufacture a reality all your own, who am I to say otherwise? Play pretend all you want. It sounds like fun. [/quote]

Feeding deer is like poaching deer Ron Ron. Especially if baiting was illegal and you were hunting over it. So maybe you got the charge changed to something less because it was a first time offense, but it's still illegal.

=( That's naughty. I crossbow hunt, but never baited deer. Am I following wisconsin bowhunting traditions better than you then?

Lol Kingston.. You Rock. Then, this dude tries to blame his Dad. Wow.. I'm done even bantering with this guy. That's not the kind of human worth my time anymore.

well............... "Like" poaching???? No but its fun to play pretend.



Maybe. Sure. Lets go with that.

Even I am surprised by the low turnout . less than 6,000 statewide (about 6/10ths of 1% of sportsmen bothered to turn out for this question which is why the results won't factor in the decision making.)

45% support the concept of a shorter crossbow season

54% opposed.

I expect that season to be shortened of the 2019 season and beyond since this question was only advisory and non-binding.

http://dnr.wi.gov/About/WCC/Documents/spring_hearing/2018/2018StatewideResults.pdf

Serenity now.

I have several of those too. Welcome to the club. The one sad D-Bag from Saint Johns Michigan made the list right off.

Of course I made the ignore list. I know way too much info that painfully hurts. Do we need to drag your little crabapples into this? Might as well since you pretend to be one of them on Archerytalk because youve been banned. Actually you pay to even be your son posting there. A simple google search of the little buggers tells us all we need to know.

Ron, illegal is illegal. It's like being a little bit pregnant. Trying to explain to us your illegal activity is like trying to put lipstick on a pig. It is a waste of time and probably annoys the pig.
Lets face it pal, you done wrong

Poacher poacher poacher

http://host.madison.com/sports/recr...9217f20-56bb-11e2-b15a-001a4bcf887a.html

Kulas was cited about 10 a.m. on opening day of Wisconsin’s nine-day firearms deer season by Department of Natural Resources Warden Barry Meister. The citation notes Kulas was hunting from a tree stand about 40 yards from where corn was spread, and Kulas admitted dumping “about half of a 5-gallon pail of shell corn” the previous Monday, Nov. 12.

“The subject stated he placed the corn at this location because his elderly father was planning on hunting from this stand, but (his father) changed his mind and hunted elsewhere,” Meister wrote. The citation also notes Kulas shot a spike buck before Meister arrived.

If the spike was eating off the corn pile and it walked off unshot at, you could stretch it to feeding. Shooting a spike over the illegal corn pile is what I would call poaching. BIG difference!!

Data.

Tags...........bought and filled.

Coworker bought our state's "bundle" which is 3 tags and never went.
Myself and my bud bought a bow and gun tag each, saw deer, but none big enough........so we let em all walk.
7 tags not filled by 3 guys, and one never hunted.

Neighbor kid filled a couple with tiny deer.

If bow hunter tags drop 20% in sales, and X bow tags make up that difference.........one could assume that there was just a transfer.
But if there was a non transfer loss in the bowhunter ranks, then there could have been recruitment by X bow.
Plus I wonder if people might be buying tags of both types.....maybe bowhunt early, X bow late season.

To find those answers one needs to do surveys IMHO.

What you suggest is exactly the data gathered. When a person buys a license they use their own personal customer number. When they register their kill they likewise use that same customer number. The state collects the usage and harvest data by weapons type. That is how the state can tell exactly what the success rate is by weapons type. That is the direct survey being conducted annually.

Look, I'm just a bystander in this, but I can't help but make a few comments. I've hunted Ohio, Indiana, and Kentucky since the early 80's. I've hunted KY exclusively since 2001. Ohio has had very liberal crossbow rules. KY has had basically "anything-goes" rules for centerfire rifle. When I was hunting in Ohio and Indiana, I was primarily bow hunting. I've had to give up the bow for medical reasons. KY allows crossbow in all archery seasons with a doctor's affidavit. I tried crossbow and just didn't like as much as my compound.

Some observations:

1) Poaching by the definition we generally use in the US, includes any illegal act. Basically, if it breaks the first rule of Fair Chase, it can be considered poaching. If the baiting was legal ( as it would be in KY) then it wouldn't be poaching, but the rule is : Obey All Rules. For the unfortunate sap who performed said poaching, all I can say is that it sucks to get caught. I am a semi-public person myself. I hunt outside my home state. I'm under potentially greater scruitiny by the state enforcement folks, just because they don't want to see guys like me break the law and then flaunt it. Transporting game over state lines opens a guy up to Lacey Act prosecutions, so I try to be meticulous. I try to keep everyone in my camp similarly motivated. I also stay squeaky clean, because the last thing I'd want is to give up my reputation among other hunters. It was stupid to bait, but it's even more ill-advised to keep up the activism once you've been caught. My advice to the poacher is to take two STFU's and give it a rest.

2) I have hunted under the most restrictive and the least restrictive rules for crossbow, and frankly, I never saw a difference. Crossbows are not so much better than other forms of archery that they constitute an unfair advantage. They may have bought a hunter a couple extra yards decades ago, but the contemporary compound and the contemporary crossbow have similar performance. A crossbow is not a rifle. It has advantages but also some considerable disadvantages. I much preferred hunting with a compound bow when I could for that reason. I found crossbows cumbersome.

3) The success rate of crossbow hunters that the preceding graph shows is probably indicative of a higher motivation among the hunters to be successful and not much more. Having hunted with all three, I honestly can't tell you of a feature of crossbow hunting that would make it that much better.

4) I have seen all manner of reasons given for folks hating crossbows, and I've heard it for going on 40 years. Most of these views are completely misinformed, and I have witnessed deliberate prevarications by folks trying to keep crossbows out of the woods. Anyone who would tell you they are just as "bad" as rifles or that they have 80-meter ranges are feeding you manure. They talk about the fact that you don't have to draw in front of the deer, but they forget to tell the fact that you've got these two big arms, perpendicular to your body line that are waving about out in front of you. Crossbows are not all that much to worry about.

Great post Shaman.

So your saying your input and opinion in this WI matter wont play any sort of a role and wont have any impact on the WI outcome?

No, what I'm saying is




Back when I was pro-staffing at D&DH, I got a bellyfull of the anti-crossbow charlatans. At this time, I was something like 2 years into my retirement from hunting with a compound bow. I made the pronouncement that I was going to go out and buy a crossbow, get my medical waiver and document the process of taking a nice fat buck with it. I documented it all for the folks at D&DH and put up the highlights on my weblog.

It was pretty much as I guessed. The spin-up was considerably shorter with the crossbow. I was months at it with a compound, getting to where I was functionally accurate and consistent. With the crossbow, I was keeping it in the bull within the first session. I still had all my bow stands up, so it was no big deal to get them rigged for hunting.

As I said in an earlier post, the thing the bow pimps want you to think is that crossbow is SOOOOO much easier. No. First off, Yes, you can get 20 yard accuracy in one session, but getting out to 45 yards consistently takes some doing. The operating envelopes are remarkably similar. Compound bows have to be drawn in front of the game, but the trade with a crossbow is limbs are sticking out, waving in front of you and there is no stealthy way to present it to the deer. A compound bow can be kept parallel to your body line. The deer doesn't have good binocular vision, so anything you do in front of your body is fairly hidden to them. The crossbow can't help calling attention to itself. I left mine leaning on the shooting rail of the stand.

When it came down to it, I had a perfect shot at buck and muffed it. The details are here:

Crossbow Update

I put the crossbow down and haven't picked it up in 10 seasons. Honestly, I've enjoyed my Octobers a lot more as a result. I get out in the woods more and do a lot more scouting, and then spend November rifle season filling the freezer.

My advice to the people of Wisconsin is to distrust any person or group that wants to tell you how to have fun hunting. There are enough deer out there for everyone. Crossbows are not your problem. Crossbow nannies are.

Then its abundantly clear you misunderstand the WI issue.

Poacher Poacher Poacher

That may be, but I see a new user on a forum making 102 posts since joining and half of them are all on one issue. I understand that as a first-rate harranguer.

The fact that he's a confessed poacher only adds to the already vivid picture.

Yep, poacher

Then we agree. You don't have a firm grasp on the situation. Thanks for playing.

I expect the WI matter will be refined a bit further this afternoon. This was only possible because some really smart folks had the wisdom to structure the WI crossbow season the right way.

There it is.....the "I'm a smart guy" comment I predicted earlier!!! Lmao. Patterned like a 1 1/2 year old spike off a corn pile!

X bows............cheap POS from Rural King or some top end PSE, Ravin or Ten Point?
The new stuff blows the old stuff out of the water.
I haven't shot a Ravin yet, but have some others.
They have serious advantage over compounds.
To not admit it is silly.

They are not rifles.
They are not like compound bows either.

Haha...good stuff!!

Correct, not all xbows are created equal and that being said, even before the Ravin or today's high end crossbows were even on the market back in 2014, the year of the launch of the crossbow season, right out of the chute, the crossbow success rate eclipsed not only bowhunters but also gun deer hunters. As crossbows advance, that WI success rate climbs rapidly. Crossbow technology is in its infancy regarding hunting weapons. The success rates are not only greater than bowhunters and even gun hunters but the success rates are rapidly climbing while the success rates of bow and gun deer hunters remain pretty flat. That data collection is what drove this revision. Forward thinking and being proactive based on data gathered thanks to totally separating the two seasons and weapons types. It's how proper resource management is done.

Some invented all sorts of conspiracy theories about greed or other reasons why the adjustment of the crossbow season should take place. They did that raher than accepting that resource management is what drive this improvement.

Can you post that chart one more time? I missed it the last 3-4 times. Lol

there is one huge difference between a bow verses a gun or x-bow: with a hand drawn bow you have to draw bow hold some weight when deer arrives without deer seeing you . where as with a gun or x-bow its pre loaded and deer will see a lot less movement, that is huge factor in deer hunting !

That as well as the ease of use (which is why the xbow appeals to little boys and girls and small women and the elderly and handicapped) and the short learning curve and extended range over a real bow and arrow are the reasons for the much greater harvest success rate for the crossbower. And the long temporary (trial) season length is why the crossbower even has a higher success rate than even gun deer hunters. Since we cant reduce the efficiency of the crossbow, the only logical adjustment to put their success rate on par with other weapons to follow the legislation and adjust the season duration.

Nothing is being taken away from anybody since the final season length was never set until the trial was completed. Now we can set about finalizing the season duration.

Ron, You are doing a disservice to all hunters by making your comparisons. You are via default pitting one "hunter against another"

You just don't understand the big picture. Commentary like yours sets the sport of hunting back considerably and antis will be using it in

one way,shape or form in the future.

You don't say.....

Like Ron says....thats not what the discussion is about. Lol

Setting season structure based on impacts to the resource and weapons efficiency is the hallmark of proper management. Its why Firearms seasons are shorter than archery seasons and why the WI crossbow season duration ought to be set at some duration longer than the firearms season and shorter than the archery deer season. That's the matter in a nut shell. All of this was to finally set the season duration for the crossbower. Nothing else. All the emotional blather wastes all of our time. Its not anti anything. Thats just a straw man (distraction) argument by those not happy with season setting or people that don't understand the issue. Who has time for that?

There could be something said to the appeal of regular bows...........to get out before the gun hunters.

You know........ when deer aren't spooked and folks can hunt the pre rut/rut (depending on gun season timing).

When it's warmer and easier.

Are they (by taking the easier route) just a bunch of little boys and girls?

Yeah, stuff can happen............but you reportedly knew of the data........and chose otherwise...........wait for it..........out of emotion.
IMHO the 4 arrow bull was a clusterfork.

Not admitting it................not a surprise when dealing with a bowhunting snob.

Noticed you didn't kill the beast with a trad bow, Wheels and 64#.........................what a puzzy.

I was content to sit and eat a sandwich and watch that bull go down after the first arrow. That was a fatal shot and the bull was doomed. The guide however wanted it over asap and urged additional shots. Always listen to the guide. Its rule #1. From the first arrow until he went down (three arrows in him) was 9 minutes. I think he would have went down sooner if we had backed off and let him die but when the guide says shoot him again, that what you do.

Those big bulls can absorb a lot of punishment and my homemade longbow at 48lbs was the wrong "caliber" weapon for dangerous game. Always select the right weapon for the job.

X bows may appeal to those that want a shorter learning curve, longer range and early or extended seasons.
And they may see those as pluses for a variety of reasons.

Sure, some will choose X bow because they have a lesser work ethic.
But we have lazy people in all ranks.

Personally, I dislike X bows. But I'd rather drink beer with the average X bow user than with Sharp Things.

I don't get folks acting like they're bad asses when using releases, wheels, sights and range finders.
Those that use those items, and really are bad ass with them.........tend to be rather humble folks.
They let their shooting do the talking.

Keep piling the chit.
You just don't get it.
Not surprised.

LMAO

Hardcore know it all................would have expected an ILF limbed recurve of decent poundage.
You know, a real bow, non girly type.

His compound looks "cute" with that neat barbed wire wrapped around it. Some people are so flamboyant....

Fabulous.

....and pompous.

Sure and that sort will be out nothing when this improvement takes place in WI. They will have a very long crossbow season



Sharp things does not drink beer. (or any other alcohol) On the rare occasion, I may be coaxed into a bit of Kahlua on ice after a nice water buffalo steak.



Agreed. I enjoy the harvest most when I take game with my homemade longbow with homemade arrows and homemade broadheads and homemade finger tab. Like my most recent bear harvest. But any animal taken with a human powered bow is fun and a bowhunting accomplishment.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgeX6JQGkAw&t=3s[/video]

I just recently sold my DAS takedown recurve. It didn't fit me like a glove. I still like a one piece longbow. I'm guessing that you must only hunt with a trad bow given your apparent appreciation for them. There is nothing quite like it but then I hunt with every type of archery equipment allowed in WI.

Yep they will. It will be the same length as the bow season. Right through the rut.

Sure. Ok. Go with that........................... for 2018 at least. Make sure to get in on that while you can.

You need a t-shirt that says WINNING with the big red slash symbol through it Ron. Lol

I will you can bet on it. I'll be doing it on 2019 and from there on out as well.

You may if the agreed upon adjustment is the trimming of the front end of the season as I mentioned yesterday. Again, there are two schools of thought on how the WI crossbow season will look based on the harvest data.

Does anyone know where Ronnie (sharp_things) lives? I would like to setup some more hidden trail cams for his illegal poaching over bait. Once a cheater always a cheater.

Mmmmm.. I love the vote yesterday. All the compound community showed out and we won 54 counties to 18. Hahaha. Just think now if more crossbow hunters knew this was happening and how much that number will continue to grow in our favor as years pass. It's the only time the number will be clos-ish in totals. Even though we trounced the counties.

I was watching the NBR meetings today. =( Sounds like nothing is coming from Mr. Poaches board official. I read up on this loser board member. He is a member of WBH, and has been trying to stop this for years to be legal. He failed at that, and he will continue to fail at shortening the season. It's kind of funny but also sad for Mr convited Poacher (sharp things) whose only job is to troll multiple forums across the internet all day. =(

Ronnie (sharp_things) I seen you posting on Archery Talk Crossbow I need a good target for My Gearhead take down crossbow and Kodabow Scout










The Famous RockStar of Archery-Talk, Crossbow Nation and Crossbow Predators

Strong first post.

Welcome. Can you link any and every post Ive made on the Archerytalk crossbow forum. I would like to see them since I don't post there so please share.

As to a good target, we began (At the request of crossbowers) to produce a crossbow discharge target so the crossbowers could unload their shoulder fired weapon. The testing proved promising. We have access to an amazing arrow stopping material. Here are the prototype tests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCgTOJgIJmY&index=44&list=UUrDKSMxGGaa59V0uZPABJ6Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boZ8wbUpneY&index=43&list=UUrDKSMxGGaa59V0uZPABJ6Q

Ultimately we ended up manufacturing larger format bag targets since the user base of crossbowers is smaller than that of bowhunters.

Here is how we make them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiROAVDauNE&list=UUrDKSMxGGaa59V0uZPABJ6Q&index=42

Not one to wave the "bowhunter" macho chit.

Like recurves just fine...........love me a nice rifle or handgun too.

Never have harvested a deer, just killed a few..

Seen plenty of people shooting compounds and trad that flat out suck..........so IMHO equipment choice doesn't make one noble.

So you hunt with a compound???? I harvest deer and bear and pigs and Bulls and Water buffalo and Turkey. I harvest them so I can get at the meat to make tasty treats from an renewable resource. I don't just kill them, I harvest the meat and hides and bones.

Amazing.........

How Not so Sharp is welcoming folks to this forum/thread as though he is some sort of site ambassador.

Delafield but I hunt all over (WI, MI, HI, TX, etc) Mostly spot and stalk. You will want to use a drone an stationary trail cams since I move.

It was his first ever post. That deserves a hearty "How-do-you-do" and welcome. Nobody else was warm and inviting to the poor guy.

Step up and represent..

your first one was your best. I liked that one. The others seemed forced. I'm printing this one out so thanks for that.

If you have others, post up. I'm Caucasian (Eastern European origins) so you second pic seems a bit dark for my heritage.

Thank

THANK YOU Ron

Living in Alaska We need be Strong and Tough

We mostly hunt with large Cal rifles up here ,in winter months in Sitka after brown bears are sleeping we hunt a lot with crossbows and Trad bows ,BlackTails

Ron a person was linking your same As to a good target, we began (At the request of crossbowers) to produce a crossbow discharge target so the crossbowers could unload their shoulder fired weapon. The testing proved promising. We have access to an amazing arrow stopping material. Here are the prototype tests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCgTOJgIJmY&index=44&list=UUrDKSMxGGaa59V0uZPABJ6Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boZ8wbUpneY&index=43&list=UUrDKSMxGGaa59V0uZPABJ6Q

On Archery Talk Crossbow I just assumed it was you,

If you want to stop by and pick one up, just give me a holler. Our targets stop arrows from real bows and shoulder fired/discharged bolts as well.

Lmao.....youre a real Chuck Adams.

As the guy who made the first post on Deer Hunting here back in 2002, believe me: I see the irony.

Yikes! What a tool.

Well, sons of Wisconsin, this is who you've got arranging your deer seasons for you. Best of luck with that.

Went recurve back in 80's.
Had injuries, used wheels for a stretch.
Healed up some, so back to recurve.

I kill animals and eat them.
Make no apologies for it.
Refuse to use the word "harvest".

Now you are just mailing it in. You can do better. Spend a little more time on me and do quality work. I'm appreciating your passion and devotion to me (its flattering) but you can do better. Its me after all. If I'm going to live rent free between your ears, I would expect more from a fan.

Here is a pic you can use from my first day of school.

Damn, I like that one the best. Good job

I'm surprised there's room for other deer hunter's in Wisconsin.
They must sneak in when he's out of state.

Ooh, Ooh, do this one next.

...hunting cows.

Then take a spin with this one. Take the knife out of my hand and replace it with a cob of corn.

From the 2012 fall citation till spring 2018, life sure doesn't look like it's been easy for the man. Aged a ton but I hear that sort of thing does it to you. Must be rough constantly trying to defend your self after a violation. Would be easier to admit it and move on. People.would atleast have respect for you admitting wrong. This guy not only denies it but puts himself above all others.

I'm betting you can do wonders with this one.

This one would be simply to modify.

No ears of corn please.

Not so Sharp proly has ATM videos.

Wow this is Exciting place post- more fun than trapping beaver under the ice

This one goes back to 89 and was over bait (GASP!)

Perhaps photoshop some doughnuts around it.

Like another has stated.....there can be some respect for those that admit error and move on.

Dancing around the subject and playing cute.............that kinda chit from men is totally unacceptable..

Dunno what happened, don't care.

Postings have told me all I need to know.

Another bear from up nort. You can use this one too.

I killed this bear with a 3 ring binder.

A savvy bowhunter would have ran a 106 sight and something other than Tarantulas on that old Centerflite (could be Gamesport).

106 held up fine on my Gorilla Squad Mach 4.

You can have fun with this one. It goes back to the Bicentennial year. Right between the eyes at 8 yards.

My new fav. Wisdom much, he has, yes.

It will look no different than it has since it's inception. The cat's out of the bag and not going back in.

Tell me that doesn’t look like the face of a man who would do just about anything for a bowl of M&M’s

How about a bow harvest from 1987?

The earliest known photo of me with a deer as I began my journey. Circa 1964. Its fits with the baby pics.

I think his feelings have been hurt. And those kids pics.....pedophilia man. Explains a couple things.

Well the NRB meeting just concluded. (That was a long one) The NRB is seeking the DNR begin the process of producing a scope statement of adjusting the crossbow season and report back the NRB.

It will look no different than it has since it's inception. The cat's out of the bag and not going back in.

Come on guys I don’t understand what SharpThings did deserve all the bashing -

I’m not taking sides

Let’s just see how the State Vote Goes Wi

We just get along to get along up here

We have a Bow season,Black Power season ,Crossbows and Rifle one in same season no one complaining up here in Alaska

We all hunt with different weapons dead is dead

Its ok, I think its kind of fun that I'm living rent free between their ears and that they devote so much energy to me. Its flattering. They are hung up on a deer feeding citation I got back in 2012. It seems to matter to them.

The NRB meeting just concluded with the board instructing the DNR to begin the process of adjusting the WI crossbow season length.

Sorry tzone. You will still have ample opportunity to do your crossbowing. The season is not going away, its just being shortened.

Any perceived visceral reaction likely centers on Ronald G. Kulas being an admitted and convicted poacher, who, nevertheless, continues lobbying hunting


Per: http://host.madison.com/sports/recr...9217f20-56bb-11e2-b15a-001a4bcf887a.html

Kulas was cited about 10 a.m. on opening day of Wisconsin’s nine-day firearms deer season by Department of Natural Resources Warden Barry Meister. The citation notes Kulas was hunting from a tree stand about 40 yards from where corn was spread, and Kulas admitted dumping “about half of a 5-gallon pail of shell corn” the previous Monday, Nov. 12.

“The subject stated he placed the corn at this location because his elderly father was planning on hunting from this stand, but (his father) changed his mind and hunted elsewhere,” Meister wrote. The citation also notes Kulas shot a spike buck before Meister arrived.

The illegal hunting of game is poaching. You were caught hunting over bait that you admit to supplying.

""Its ok, I think its kind of fun that I'm living rent free between their ears and that they devote so much energy to me. Its flattering. The NRB meeting just concluded with the board instructing the DNR to begin the process of adjusting the WI crossbow season length.""

Mr. Poacher lied. However, finally seeing a picture of you explains a lot. Meeting ended with his thug board member spewing results in a powerpoint to favor his notion, then got slammed for not having a provided suggested plan in place. Once all is done, it will be killed just like everything else. I also lol had to watch Ronnie's buddy defend how he isn't acting out of favoritism for WBH. HAHAH.. If you have to say your not a criminal or guilty, then you clearly are.

Nothing is changed, nothing is planned to be changed. Just his turd board member trying to pass something that will need others to support that won't.
=)

There will still be ample opportunity for crossbowing. The new season length will be plenty long.

Sharp Things, Stay Sharp, Rancid Crabtree, xranger, Innovative Outdoorsman, Diyguy, Rkulas, retch Sweeny and many other user names. These are just some of his user names. Why? Because he has been banned from most forums and has to come back as a new name. Should tell you a little something about his character. If not, Google "Ron Kulas poaching".

Ok so if your elderly than baiting legal ?

I shoot moose in Feb season in Galena AK I punished out wrong day on tag honest mistake /holes are very small -does that make me a poacher -I payed my fine and moved on - I paid fine and lesson learned

Oh! I didn't realize this is DIYguy's current sock puppet. It's all making sense now.

I commend you for owning your mistake and moving on. That's what men with integrity do.

Are you fugkin retarded?

LMAO

Yup. That's all one can do. Its in the past (like over a half decade in the past) I never gave it another thought after mailing the check. It was a civil citation (like the speeding ticket I got. You pay the house and move on) Others live for it.

Its flattering. I almost feel bad that I don't give a rats azz about it just for them.

Here is a link to the story with a lot of false info about the tale. (I'm called a "notable bowhunter") High praise indeed.

They will want you to believe I killed a spike buck over a bait pile. While that is not at all factual. They like the story so I let them have it.

http://host.madison.com/sports/recr...9217f20-56bb-11e2-b15a-001a4bcf887a.html

Paid the fine but still won't admit he poached a spike off and illegal bait pile he placed. Lol

"We aren't against crossbows, but we think they give crossbow users an unfair advantage," said Mike Brust, president of the Wisconsin Bowhunters Association. "We'd like to see a level playing field."

This is the purported motivation behind the bowhunter’s lobby.


Meanwhile Ron Kulas illegally hunts over bait in a CWD zone.

They're getting better.

Seriously? Do you only shoot young deer?

Notable cow hunter, Ron Kulas...

So now I’m being attacked for asking Questions

Sharp Things said the bait was put old for his elderly father I was just asking is bating legal for handicapped and elderly

I’m not taking sides as I don’t Judge anyone

I’m not retarded

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I'd say

From another site....

"Kaz is such a tool! They lost again! They will come back in two years with nothing just like last year and this year! He was trying to skew the numbers trying to make himself and the WBH look good but it didn’t work because people can actually READ! See them clowns in two years again! Everything will remain the same for at least the next two years."

Second place is just the 1st place loser.

First of all, it's weird you've created an account and are talking to yourself. Par for the course of your past though.

Second of all.... nothing on the x-bow season will change. Nothing.

Read the thread...

Baiting was illegal and a board member of his states bowhunting association should know better. He also ridiculed others for shooting young, small bucks, baiting, etc...

LMFAO

And continued post pics of dink bucks he shot. LMAO.

Oh, this is rich. And just keeps getting better and better.

Shoots this rat yet condemns others for shooting small bucks?



That corker of a spike buck shot over the yellow acorns must have really had it coming.
"Don't imitate my behavior but obey my instruction." What a tool.

bigwoods is correct...Ron would constantly bash others for stuff he was constantly doing behind the scenes(baiting, shooting small bucks). Then he gets busted and then he throws out some lame excuse about his father and then post some bs mea culpa stuff on another site. Always typical of him to have some excuse when he gets called out. Anyone who has to post by pretending to be their son has some mental issues...I bet Jacob John has no clue. Or are you posting as Josh?

Notable cow hunter, Ron Kulas, has been reborn a subsistence hunter.

I'm starting understand what's going on here perhaps Ron(sharp things will change a new leaf and come clean -

The Truth Will Set You Free -That's how I was raised ,,,


I think a few here have me confused with the Wrong RockStar on different Forms there is only one True RockStarJoeC

here is one from my most recent show. Your welcome.

these young ones eat well.

You want to hit them well.

Sharp when you get time check out GearHeads new Take Down Crossbow ,Tell Skip at Gearhead JoeC from Sitka AK sent you,

Use Gearhead during Rifle season if that makes you feel better


Stay Safe

How many pictures do you have of that same deer?

I am a bowhunter. In WI we have an archery season for bowhunters and a soon to be shortened crossbow season. I don't hunt the soon to be shortened crossbow season.

Same in Alaska we treat everyone with separate seasons keeps hunting from getting boring-

Rifle-Crossbow one in same season both shoulder mounted weapons , Blackpower season -,Reg bow season- no one crying up in Alaska

Well Ron if come Alaska also bring rifle

I didn’t see a figure for the wounded and maimed deer not recovered by Wisconsin bow hunters.

Make one up and go with that.

I really only bow hunt. Im not much for harvesting game with a firearm. I can fill the freezers with my bow. Right now they are filled to the brim (aa 3 of them)

Well I respect you private life and beliefs

Ron created himself a retarded sock puppet who happens to be a crossbow enthusiast.

Ronald G. Kulas, the Vladimir Putin of the Wisconsin archery lobby.

TFF!

thanks for that and all the energy you devote to me. I feel bad that I didn't get you anything.

Does anyone ever get Banned here for personal attacks

I think folks are getting worked over this pending season structure revision that will set the WI crossbow season duration. Don't worry crossbowers, the season will be plenty long.

GFY, you sock puppet kgunt.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/12788013/1

Ok if you get the time come up Sitka Alaska bring your bow Aug-15-Dec 31 Sitka Blacktails , we have a lot Brown Bear I just need back you up with my 375 Ruger- if bear chargers you ,We have between 12-22 people attacked and some killed in Sitka by bears trying take deer away from bow hunters, I don't want see you get hurt or killed -Sharp

Hunts are free on me ,boat hunt ,spot and land boat on beach and hunt ,,

Great offer. Thanks. Im doing more and more out of state hunting with my bow and Alaska is on the short list.

Don't pay no mind to Kingston. He is a pouter. He devotes a lot of time to me. (sort of a fan of mine) and if you don't agree with him, He wigs out and gets mad at you. You will learn to get over him like I did. He is pretty much a tool but I enjoy dropping him open his head each day. He is fun to get riled up and an easy mark.

Cool I understand like baiting KingCrab traps with week old Cod heads- I will not take anything personal here-some people are jealous and need to be control freaks ,

Same as Archery Talk Crossbow the Dirty Doz Crew run the forums.

Yeah some of the wankers are funny. When they have totally lost it and are foaming at the mouth and then spend their day investigating you online and copy pasting. Its outstanding!!!!! That is when you know you are dropping them on their heads. Like catching fish in a barrel or spikes over a corn pile. BOOM! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

When they start making up pet names for you, you know they are ham fisting and pounding out replies on their keyboard all red in the face and need their blood pressure med. Just wait.

Safariman of the archery world...

Poacher and liar, as well as Safariman. I'm sure those 2 get along well.

Maybe a few of your friends here will buy you round trip ticket to hunt with me in Sitka Ak hoping my gun miss fires if a bear chargers you lmao=

And BOOM! there it is. Like I called it. Im messiness with their heads. HAhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha.

Who is Safariman

I thinks its a guy that travels to lots of states with his bow to harvest meat. It makes some here mad.

Corn pile in your pocket Ronnie? With a rack like that I’m surprised you didn’t shoot it.

I was catching deers. That little guy stopped by my booth at my last show. The season was closed. Don't want to break the law. Am I right or am I right or am I right, right ?

Not when they attack poacher trolls.

I see now the Whole picture ,that's why when I post on any internet forum I always follow the rules 100%

Catching deers? You sound queer.

Stealing the identity of a 74 year old NJ man is a good start.

You are just mad because of the shortening of the crossbow season. And you are not up to speed on this.

https://catchindeers.com

Look up my FCC call KL4QG ,tells who I am --public record

You’re a 74 year old New Jersey man with an expired Amateur Radio License. Ron needs to do his homework better...

Is Ron poaching identities now?

Lmao.....ouch!!

Front another site....

"Kazmierski is well noted for twisting facts and figures to his benefit. Basically the figures and graphs he used were his own interpretations, and not the DNR's. I got the impression he was even chastising the DNR for their incorrect representation of accurate numbers. Fortunately, enough people are aware of his agendas and actions to see through him and his bovine fertilizer. 
What can be done at this point, is for all people concerned, is to call as many Naturals Resources board members as possible and express your opinions and concerns. All of their contact phone numbers can be found on their link on the WIDNR website."

From another site....

"Since the NRB didn't vote on the crossbow issue, I'm not sure what is going to happen next. It seems unlikely that the 2018 season will change. Actually, I know of at least one person that has already bought a 2018 WI crossbow license. So if the season were changed, I'd think him and anyone else who already had a license would be owed a refund. Seems unlikely they'd want that kind of headache.

It really seems like the Kulas / Kazmierski dog and pony show has failed, at least in the short term. I have no doubt they'll keep trying though."

From another site....

"Thats not an order, but to disregard it would be a huge mistake. They will be looking at this again and it will be sooner than later. Kaz did an outstanding job at twisting and distorting facts and numbers. He went out on a limb ( a very thin brittle one) when he stated that voters statewide were confused at the question which might explain the county wide trouncing the question got. Did I forget to mention that he authored the question, with assistance from his buddy Ron 'cornpile' Kulas. The last straw for me was when he got on the soapbox and said if it weren't for the WBH, and all of their efforts we wouldn't have the season in the first place, i almost puked. Folks need to not just watch this, they need to contact those on the NRB, contacts available on the DNR website, let each and everyone of them know whats going on. Im glad that He mentioned that 40% of his revenue at BuckRub is from crossbow sales, I'll make sure that I do my part by never helping that 40% go any higher with my business."

It looks like Ron is off unraveling the rest of his sock puppet’s identity...

This guy’s a proven liar and cheat, it’s well documented all over the web.

Kingston please don't lie and twist the facts

My call call KL4QG also be looked up going fcc site,04/25/1956 my birth date



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I know the name Rancid Crabtree from another site. He has many names, and is a fine craftsman. However, if it is the same man, A hypocrite.
The man I know, was caught baiting in a non-bait state, for his father to have an easier hunt. He also built his father a finely crafted raised hunting blind, so his father could hunt in relative comfort. He detailed the entire project on Deeranddeerhunting.com. (a site now buried in spam and dead).
He made the news for the ticketed infraction, and stepped down from some public office.
I often felt his snubbing was too harsh/too personal, as he did have redeeming qualities and was a fine purest bowhunter. I went head to head wirh him about crossbows on several occasions.
I said he did fine work, and he did. A hand made smoker for meats and cheeses, the hunting blind, a lubricant test that many here would find informative. But in the end, he destroyed his integrity, but willfully breaking the rule against baiting. Something his father would not have condoned, even though it was done in love.

Funny how we waste time on the internet when this guy floods it everyday like it's a job. Yeah, he doesn't spend much time on forums.....

http://forum.eastmans.com/showthread.php/18374-Water-Buffalo-archery-hunt-blog

https://www.huntingnet.com/forum/bowhunting/417320-water-buffalo-bowhunting-blog.html

https://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/threads/water-buffalo-bow-hunting-blog.610293/

https://www.tradhunter.com/tradhunter/forum1/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=3169

https://m.facebook.com/groups/219842811388166/?ref=group_header&view=group

http://ronkulas.proboards.com/thread/410/water-buffalo-archery-hunt-blog

http://lastleafoutdoors.proboards.com/thread/814/water-buffalo-bow-hunt

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5394695

http://www.rokslide.com/forums/roks...-buffalo-archery-hunt-prep-hunt-log.html

http://forums.bowsite.com/tf/regional/thread.cfm?threadid=237521&messages=63&state=WI

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/12774156/water-buffalo-bow-hunt-blog

Perhaps if everyone here Lived In Glass House than the stones should be put down

Like we all broke the speed limit many times in our life ,you know u all have , but sometime you get a speeding ticket does that make you a convicted felon ---

Look at the good in people ,Sharp just reacting now to you bashing and playing head games-I have say he doing a great job you all keep reacting to his posts,

Like you are. Lol

I did not bash him. I relate the facts as I remember them. I did state he had many redeeming factors, did I not?

NEW JERSEY

I'm talking to Sharp Point trying developing a future hunting friendship - not bashing him- there difference --

I hope everyone here becomes my friend ,,see Alaska before u die,,,

If you treated Sharp with some respect I am sure he give you the shirt off his back.

*** Note all the different user names. Some he cannot even talk as himself.

Yes you did nice- please work on Sharps redeeming factors and unplug the battery on Backhoe stop digging up old dirt.

Ron and his imaginary friend from New Jersey with the canceled FCC License are getting to know one another.

LMAO!!!!!!!

This is really beyond pathetic...

Look on any forum he is part of. Me me, look at me. Or buy from me, let me pirate a copy of something out of plastic to sell you. No helping or giving of shirts. Sorry to disappoint you friendly east coast fella.

Making man "friends" is what they are good at.

He probably made the fake account so he can see what I'm saying. Puppet...

Ok ill check it out ,but why is Kingston(Gustafson) on Archerytalk Crossbow now saying I have expired ham call KL4QG ,What up with Neg here,

like some here get off telling lies about people,

The document he provided shows it expired Nov 17, 2017. Hard to argue that! Lmao

Facts are not selective. You can't pick and choose the ones you want to see. I remember he was hard against crossbows, and there was no give in the man. I recall he was well read, but not strong in history. Did not like examples from the Founding Fathers, or thier papers. I still respect the man as a craftsman. He did a miniature of the blind that fooled many people. His attention to detail is quite good.

What document and who are you talking about ,,post that provided document please ,,

03/05/2018 License Canceled

Scroll up and look at the posts from about 30 minutes ago. If you cant find it then I cant.help ya.

Well I see he got caught baiting ,he sells targets ,he has a strong opinion about crossbow seasons, he pushing what he believes in and no matter what anyone says he your not going change that belief ,,

That was a quick study and all you found. Lmao....go away Ron you puppet. Lmfao!!!

Did you find the link where he told two KIDS about 12 years old they were retards and stop asking stupid questions? Strong opinion there.

I cannot see that IMG ---who license canceled --- IMG s blocked here at work on computers all IMGs are in our dorms , What does it say,

That was a lot of fun.

http://ronkulas.proboards.com/thread/197/tower-deer-stand-project

"Well I see he got caught baiting ,he sells targets ,he has a strong opinion about crossbow seasons, he pushing what he believes in and no matter what anyone says he your not going change that belief ,, [/quote]"
Add : "he is Meticulous in detail" and that sound pretty accurate. He has strong feelings against the "Orange Army" that invades his woods every hunting season, as well.

I read everything here on just now about this WI tread took 2 hours ,yes ON LINK ,an who is Ron =Sharp

You are indeed the same man. I know that thread and project well. Could you also repost your lubrcation/preservative thread? Many people I know found that impressive and useful. Links died with Deeranddeerhunting.com.

http://www.lake-link.com/forums/General-Hunting-Discussion/discuss.cfm/112688/Kulas-Farm-sold/

at your service

http://ronkulas.proboards.com/thread/274/review-comparison-gun-care-products

"
Add : "he is Meticulous in detail" and that sound pretty accurate. He has strong feelings against the "Orange Army" that invades his woods every hunting season, as well.[/quote]

I BELIEVE Sharp Point a 12% guy- about 12% of bow hunters are against The Orange Army per Trad Bow hunter magazine-

So what would make you all feel better see Sharp Point Melt away-- ,,beware posting dirt because if someone flips here and they do bodily harm to Sharp Point --you all are going get locked up- leave the guy be as you all are not going change the pass ,present or future

Gentlemen, I suggest everyone read this thread. I did mention the man is Meticulous. It is in your own best interest to see his methods and testing data.

Sharp Point you a famous guy ,I never seen anyone have shush control of forums people lives as you ,well maybe second to me as just go Archery Talk ,Crossbow Nation ,and Crossbow Predators, Say my Screen Name RockstarJoec beat you get at least 14 pages of response from members,

A bow hunter reviewing gun care products....

GFY

Sounds like Ron ran to a couple of his "quiver sniffers" to come bail him out! Must be his dad is still pizzed he shot his spike off the corn pile. Lmfao

It’s a sock puppet symphony.

Gentlemen, GFY. You should know me better than that by now.

Edit: from my very first post.....

looking for some old friends (former stumpsitters)
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 3,756kellory Online content
Campfire Guide
I'm new here, but old to hunting. looking for old friends who were part of deeranddeerhunting.com before spam buried them alive. any of my old hunting friends head this way?

I never lied in my life about anything after my mom gave me Ex-Lax brownies at 8 for lying about pulling the feathers off our pet duck CLTBluesman

Lets all pray for Sharp Point he never buys any more cracked corn for deer baiting all he was doing was trying help his Elderly Father get a deer,

If I recall correctly, he did not buy bait. He moved what was spilled by the farmer, closer to his father's new stand. That's all.

Lmao.....as told by who? Did you read ANY of the poaching articles? Even your "old friend" Ron admitted to it. Holy cow is this a comedy show!

These were not only used for gun care but bow and tool care. As a craftsman I have lots of reasons and it applied to my many guns as well . Glad you took the time to review it. You no doubt picked up a thing or two. You are welcome.

Yes, I read the citation itself online. He disappointed me, because he was such a straight-laced archery purest, yet he broke a game law. At the time, folks kept piling on, and I felt the need to know the truth.

Sorry I WAS WRONG ABOUT BUYING BAIT

He moved what was spilled by the farmer, closer to his father's new stand

Heck that good thing than Sharp Things was just cleaning up the farmers field ,now I feel better

I’ve got no interest in participating in your little IP address fishing expedition.

I always knew there was something fishy about Kellory.

Keep sniffing puppets....lol

I would say you were dumber than a box of rocks, but that would be insulting the rocks. Until this thread, I was not aware sharp things was anyone I knew. As I said earlier, he and I were on opposing sides about crossbows. I respected the man, but I would not have called him a friend. I lost many friends when that site collapsed. I regretted the lost data, but I have had no contact with the man until now. You wish a sock puppet, look elsewhere.

Though you collude with him.

I state facts as I know them. I can't recall ever "colluding" with anyone.

Pointing traffic to his site fishing for IP addresses is collusion.

What exactly did I ask? I asked for it to be reposted, not a link. However, I went with the link without hesitation.

You propped up two links to Ron Kulas’ website.

3,700 posts in a year and a half. That’s dedication Ron.

For sure. Wonder how many are queers?

Are you this full of chit when the booze wears off? Or are you attempting to get a job at CNN? I will say, I'm glad the data wasn't lost with the site collapse. I would like to see it reposted here. (At least for those who can read without worrying about cooties.)

Ron you’re one obsessed [bleep]ücker...

Lol Kellory spot on -

Seems like the inmates are running the show here

The Roaches have been smoked out time turn off lights

I'm sure somebody can start another thread, totally different subject matter.... and Not so Sharp will slather it with pics of himself.

Diversion, bury with irrelevant..............stereotypical leftist BS.

The pics were curtesy of Kingston. As a fan, he thought the thread was about posting pics of me. I feared he would run out of material and since he seems very "into" me, I provided him with additional pictures (since he thinks posting pics of me was pretty awesome). You can thank him.

Actually, starting another thread about just exactly the new reduced crossbow season structure should look like may not be a bad idea.

I bet a lot of guys have been "into" you.

Yes, there have been a lot of really obsessed folks that allow me to live rent free between their ears. (like you)

So what is out come WI will season be shorter for Crossbowers
Our Crossbow season runs with firearms season in Alaska so crossbowers get hunt in prime moose and blacktail rut with firearm guys

Everyone happy in Alaska with that

But than again Alaskans are not wimps and cry-babies

The WI crossbow season IS NOT being shortened. ITS BEING SET. The first few years were a trail period in which the state punted and ran the season the same length as bowhunting so as to gather data. That WAS NOT the crossbow season length. IT WAS THE TRIAL PERIOD!!

What is happening now is the SETTING of the crossbow season length based on harvest data. This is what the legislation that created the crossbow season set as the path for the creation of the crossbow season. Why are people not getting this?

If folks admit this, there would be less pouting and fewer tantrums.

I under stand now you need keep everyone happy and keep game kills in check

A win win for deer and keeps firearms group ,bowhunters and Crossbowers in smiles

Here is a link to the Wisconsin Crossbow bill. I found it interesting that both the Age 65 or disability exemptions are scratched out and from what I can decipher from it, if they reduce crossbow season people over 65 or with disabilities would not be able to use a crossbow during the archery season. It would take a legislative action to put those provisions back into the archery season. Maybe I am reading it wrong but don't think so.




http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2013/related/acts/61

Terrific.................. Tom.

I should said were I read this


From Archery Talk Crossbow - Member =Terrific_tom

All you have to do is call/email your board members now. Loser by Kazmierski found skewed results to fit his argument while trashing the DNR's findings. Nothing is changing, nothing is being set. What happened is the corrupt Kazy is trying to board to re-consider this change again. They lost the 1st vote already easily and now they are trying to fight more thinking for some odd reason they would smash it. Now he is saying 'oh, gun hunters just didn't get the question'. These two idiots don't realize most gun hunters are also crossbow hunters.

Just like last time, money/dollars win for the state. Not one illogical man who is tied to WBH and has his minions online post information online in advance of his the hearings with screenshots of his powerpoints. Which, I also took the board about how Mr. Kazmierski and his associates are handling themselves by posting data in advance to the meetings to harass other hunters. It's good that sharp things(Ron Kulas) has such a tainted past of breaking the law. It's also easy as well since Mr. Kazmierski has ties to this fight which greatly benefit him. He is part of WBH folks which openly bashes crossbows which the president even wrong on his site.

In the end, this will go no-where and just like last time Mr. Kazy and Roofus Ron Sharp things will lose like always.

Just go here https://dnr.wi.gov/about/nrb/ and contact the board members about how Mr Kazy has no place to recommend any changes for this topic. I think the board see's through his crap already, but push the point home even more that heard management numbers, DNR, and analysis, and hunters should dictate the decision. Not sad little compound guys who want the fall to themselves.

Also, hammer home that Mr. Kazmierski earns sales from crossbows and compound bows. He tried to spew this impacts him negatively to if dates change which is false. What happens truely is that all these guys who can't hut the rut or dates they want will just get a high tech compound bow just as easy to shoot and purchase those instead. You don't get trade in for crossbows, so Mr. Kazmierski earns even more than and he knows that. Take both those points to the board along with him being firmly in WBH corner who openly bash the usage.

Welcome new member. Strong first post. LOL

Lost of new members here of late.

Oh the drama. I think you are getting your rear end handed to you on Bowsite so you are looking for a comfort zone here. you will find lots of crossbowers here so you will fit in nicely among that sort.

Ron, you don't own the forum or own the thread or need to speak to me. I don't talk to poachers who hunt over bait, and than blame their dad. Please keep to yourself and the other 30 boards you post on daily in your unemployment status. Seriously to, the only reason I am here is because of you on another board and your false information. Now, go away child. Blocked after this post.

The WI crossbow season IS NOT being shortened. ITS BEING SET. The first few years were a trail period in which the state punted and ran the season the same length as bowhunting so as to gather data. That WAS NOT the crossbow season length. IT WAS THE TRIAL PERIOD!!

What is happening now is the SETTING of the crossbow season length based on harvest data. This is what the legislation that created the crossbow season set as the path for the creation of the crossbow season. Why are people not getting this?

If folks admit this, there would be less pouting and fewer tantrums and a lot less, over-the-top and manufactured emotion.

Nice see both sides

Alaska has it right

No one complaining in Alaska

Firearms and Crossbowers share same season both are shoulder held weapons with triggers

This keeps early hunting season reserved for Trad bows and Compound Bows the way it should be/

The WI crossbow season IS NOT being shortened. ITS BEING SET. The first few years were a trail period in which the state punted and ran the season the same length as bowhunting so as to gather data. That WAS NOT the crossbow season length. IT WAS THE TRIAL PERIOD!!

What is happening now is the SETTING of the crossbow season length based on harvest data. This is what the legislation that created the crossbow season set as the path for the creation of the crossbow season. Why are people not getting this?

If folks admit this, there would be less pouting and fewer tantrums and a lot less, over-the-top and manufactured emotion.

I think the crossbowers are misunderstanding the law that created the separate crossbows Season. This new improvement to the crossbow season does not eliminate the season. It will only bring the success rates on par with real bowhunters and gun deer hunters. The crossbowing season will still be many weeks long. There will be plenty of opportunity for crossbowing and lots od deer for them to hunt over those weeks. Folks can settle down a bit and actually think this through.

Sima down now

All you have to do is call/email your board members now. Loser by Kazmierski found skewed results to fit his argument while trashing the DNR's findings. Nothing is changing, nothing is being set. What happened is the corrupt Kazy is trying to board to re-consider this change again. They lost the 1st vote already easily and now they are trying to fight more thinking for some odd reason they would smash it. Now he is saying 'oh, gun hunters just didn't get the question'. These two idiots don't realize most gun hunters are also crossbow hunters.

Just like last time, money/dollars win for the state. Not one illogical man who is tied to WBH and has his minions online post information online in advance of his the hearings with screenshots of his powerpoints. Which, I also took the board about how Mr. Kazmierski and his associates are handling themselves by posting data in advance to the meetings to harass other hunters. It's good that sharp things(Ron Kulas) has such a tainted past of breaking the law. It's also easy as well since Mr. Kazmierski has ties to this fight which greatly benefit him. He is part of WBH folks which openly bashes crossbows which the president even wrong on his site.

In the end, this will go no-where and just like last time Mr. Kazy and Roofus Ron Sharp things will lose like always.

Just go here https://dnr.wi.gov/about/nrb/ and contact the board members about how Mr Kazy has no place to recommend any changes for this topic. I think the board see's through his crap already, but push the point home even more that heard management numbers, DNR, and analysis, and hunters should dictate the decision. Not sad little compound guys who want the fall to themselves.

Also, hammer home that Mr. Kazmierski earns sales from crossbows and compound bows. He tried to spew this impacts him negatively to if dates change which is false. What happens truely is that all these guys who can't hut the rut or dates they want will just get a high tech compound bow just as easy to shoot and purchase those instead. You don't get trade in for crossbows, so Mr. Kazmierski earns even more than and he knows that. Take both those points to the board along with him being firmly in WBH corner who openly bash the usage.

All you have to do is call/email your board members now. Loser by Kazmierski found skewed results to fit his argument while trashing the DNR's findings. Nothing is changing, nothing is being set. What happened is the corrupt Kazy is trying to board to re-consider this change again. They lost the 1st vote already easily and now they are trying to fight more thinking for some odd reason they would smash it. Now he is saying 'oh, gun hunters just didn't get the question'. These two idiots don't realize most gun hunters are also crossbow hunters.

Just like last time, money/dollars win for the state. Not one illogical man who is tied to WBH and has his minions online post information online in advance of his the hearings with screenshots of his powerpoints. Which, I also took the board about how Mr. Kazmierski and his associates are handling themselves by posting data in advance to the meetings to harass other hunters. It's good that sharp things(Ron Kulas) has such a tainted past of breaking the law. It's also easy as well since Mr. Kazmierski has ties to this fight which greatly benefit him. He is part of WBH folks which openly bashes crossbows which the president even wrong on his site.

In the end, this will go no-where and just like last time Mr. Kazy and Roofus Ron Sharp things will lose like always.

Just go here https://dnr.wi.gov/about/nrb/ and contact the board members about how Mr Kazy has no place to recommend any changes for this topic. I think the board see's through his crap already, but push the point home even more that heard management numbers, DNR, and analysis, and hunters should dictate the decision. Not sad little compound guys who want the fall to themselves.

Also, hammer home that Mr. Kazmierski earns sales from crossbows and compound bows. He tried to spew this impacts him negatively to if dates change which is false. What happens truely is that all these guys who can't hut the rut or dates they want will just get a high tech compound bow just as easy to shoot and purchase those instead. You don't get trade in for crossbows, so Mr. Kazmierski earns even more than and he knows that. Take both those points to the board along with him being firmly in WBH corner who openly bash the usage.

All you have to do is call/email your board members now. Loser by Kazmierski found skewed results to fit his argument while trashing the DNR's findings. Nothing is changing, nothing is being set. What happened is the corrupt Kazy is trying to board to re-consider this change again. They lost the 1st vote already easily and now they are trying to fight more thinking for some odd reason they would smash it. Now he is saying 'oh, gun hunters just didn't get the question'. These two idiots don't realize most gun hunters are also crossbow hunters.

Just like last time, money/dollars win for the state. Not one illogical man who is tied to WBH and has his minions online post information online in advance of his the hearings with screenshots of his powerpoints. Which, I also took the board about how Mr. Kazmierski and his associates are handling themselves by posting data in advance to the meetings to harass other hunters. It's good that sharp things(Ron Kulas) has such a tainted past of breaking the law. It's also easy as well since Mr. Kazmierski has ties to this fight which greatly benefit him. He is part of WBH folks which openly bashes crossbows which the president even wrong on his site.

In the end, this will go no-where and just like last time Mr. Kazy and Roofus Ron Sharp things will lose like always.

Just go here https://dnr.wi.gov/about/nrb/ and contact the board members about how Mr Kazy has no place to recommend any changes for this topic. I think the board see's through his crap already, but push the point home even more that heard management numbers, DNR, and analysis, and hunters should dictate the decision. Not sad little compound guys who want the fall to themselves.

Also, hammer home that Mr. Kazmierski earns sales from crossbows and compound bows. He tried to spew this impacts him negatively to if dates change which is false. What happens truely is that all these guys who can't hut the rut or dates they want will just get a high tech compound bow just as easy to shoot and purchase those instead. You don't get trade in for crossbows, so Mr. Kazmierski earns even more than and he knows that. Take both those points to the board along with him being firmly in WBH corner who openly bash the usage.

I think I site has problem I’m seeing double posts from 2 members

Are there any members here from crossbow Nation and Achery Talk
I post on both sites with 15 different user names keep people guessing who I am -The last 5 years I did get banned 91 times on AT/CT talking my mind people don’t like that and talking about Kodabows and now GearHead take down Xbow

Kodabows just don’t break that upsets Excalibur owners GearHead has best built Compound system and best trigger -
Ravin R20/R10 second best trigger and best cranking system Ravin has been known take a few fingers off if u don’t read Manual

All you have to do is call/email your board members now. Loser by Kazmierski found skewed results to fit his argument while trashing the DNR's findings. Nothing is changing, nothing is being set. What happened is the corrupt Kazy is trying to board to re-consider this change again. They lost the 1st vote already easily and now they are trying to fight more thinking for some odd reason they would smash it. Now he is saying 'oh, gun hunters just didn't get the question'. These two idiots don't realize most gun hunters are also crossbow hunters.

Just like last time, money/dollars win for the state. Not one illogical man who is tied to WBH and has his minions online post information online in advance of his the hearings with screenshots of his powerpoints. Which, I also took the board about how Mr. Kazmierski and his associates are handling themselves by posting data in advance to the meetings to harass other hunters. It's good that sharp things(Ron Kulas) has such a tainted past of breaking the law. It's also easy as well since Mr. Kazmierski has ties to this fight which greatly benefit him. He is part of WBH folks which openly bashes crossbows which the president even wrong on his site.

In the end, this will go no-where and just like last time Mr. Kazy and Roofus Ron Sharp things will lose like always.

Just go here https://dnr.wi.gov/about/nrb/ and contact the board members about how Mr Kazy has no place to recommend any changes for this topic. I think the board see's through his crap already, but push the point home even more that heard management numbers, DNR, and analysis, and hunters should dictate the decision. Not sad little compound guys who want the fall to themselves.

Also, hammer home that Mr. Kazmierski earns sales from crossbows and compound bows. He tried to spew this impacts him negatively to if dates change which is false. What happens truely is that all these guys who can't hut the rut or dates they want will just get a high tech compound bow just as easy to shoot and purchase those instead. You don't get trade in for crossbows, so Mr. Kazmierski earns even more than and he knows that. Take both those points to the board along with him being firmly in WBH corner who openly bash the usage.

All you have to do is call/email your board members now. Loser by Kazmierski found skewed results to fit his argument while trashing the DNR's findings. Nothing is changing, nothing is being set. What happened is the corrupt Kazy is trying to board to re-consider this change again. They lost the 1st vote already easily and now they are trying to fight more thinking for some odd reason they would smash it. Now he is saying 'oh, gun hunters just didn't get the question'. These two idiots don't realize most gun hunters are also crossbow hunters.

Just like last time, money/dollars win for the state. Not one illogical man who is tied to WBH and has his minions online post information online in advance of his the hearings with screenshots of his powerpoints. Which, I also took the board about how Mr. Kazmierski and his associates are handling themselves by posting data in advance to the meetings to harass other hunters. It's good that sharp things(Ron Kulas) has such a tainted past of breaking the law. It's also easy as well since Mr. Kazmierski has ties to this fight which greatly benefit him. He is part of WBH folks which openly bashes crossbows which the president even wrong on his site.

In the end, this will go no-where and just like last time Mr. Kazy and Roofus Ron Sharp things will lose like always.

Just go here https://dnr.wi.gov/about/nrb/ and contact the board members about how Mr Kazy has no place to recommend any changes for this topic. I think the board see's through his crap already, but push the point home even more that heard management numbers, DNR, and analysis, and hunters should dictate the decision. Not sad little compound guys who want the fall to themselves.

Also, hammer home that Mr. Kazmierski earns sales from crossbows and compound bows. He tried to spew this impacts him negatively to if dates change which is false. What happens truely is that all these guys who can't hut the rut or dates they want will just get a high tech compound bow just as easy to shoot and purchase those instead. You don't get trade in for crossbows, so Mr. Kazmierski earns even more than and he knows that. Take both those points to the board along with him being firmly in WBH corner who openly bash the usage.

All you have to do is call/email your board members now. Loser by Kazmierski found skewed results to fit his argument while trashing the DNR's findings. Nothing is changing, nothing is being set. What happened is the corrupt Kazy is trying to board to re-consider this change again. They lost the 1st vote already easily and now they are trying to fight more thinking for some odd reason they would smash it. Now he is saying 'oh, gun hunters just didn't get the question'. These two idiots don't realize most gun hunters are also crossbow hunters.

Just like last time, money/dollars win for the state. Not one illogical man who is tied to WBH and has his minions online post information online in advance of his the hearings with screenshots of his powerpoints. Which, I also took the board about how Mr. Kazmierski and his associates are handling themselves by posting data in advance to the meetings to harass other hunters. It's good that sharp things(Ron Kulas) has such a tainted past of breaking the law. It's also easy as well since Mr. Kazmierski has ties to this fight which greatly benefit him. He is part of WBH folks which openly bashes crossbows which the president even wrong on his site.

In the end, this will go no-where and just like last time Mr. Kazy and Roofus Ron Sharp things will lose like always.

Just go here https://dnr.wi.gov/about/nrb/ and contact the board members about how Mr Kazy has no place to recommend any changes for this topic. I think the board see's through his crap already, but push the point home even more that heard management numbers, DNR, and analysis, and hunters should dictate the decision. Not sad little compound guys who want the fall to themselves.

Also, hammer home that Mr. Kazmierski earns sales from crossbows and compound bows. He tried to spew this impacts him negatively to if dates change which is false. What happens truely is that all these guys who can't hut the rut or dates they want will just get a high tech compound bow just as easy to shoot and purchase those instead. You don't get trade in for crossbows, so Mr. Kazmierski earns even more than and he knows that. Take both those points to the board along with him being firmly in WBH corner who openly bash the usage.

All you have to do is call/email your board members now. Loser by Kazmierski found skewed results to fit his argument while trashing the DNR's findings. Nothing is changing, nothing is being set. What happened is the corrupt Kazy is trying to board to re-consider this change again. They lost the 1st vote already easily and now they are trying to fight more thinking for some odd reason they would smash it. Now he is saying 'oh, gun hunters just didn't get the question'. These two idiots don't realize most gun hunters are also crossbow hunters.

Just like last time, money/dollars win for the state. Not one illogical man who is tied to WBH and has his minions online post information online in advance of his the hearings with screenshots of his powerpoints. Which, I also took the board about how Mr. Kazmierski and his associates are handling themselves by posting data in advance to the meetings to harass other hunters. It's good that sharp things(Ron Kulas) has such a tainted past of breaking the law. It's also easy as well since Mr. Kazmierski has ties to this fight which greatly benefit him. He is part of WBH folks which openly bashes crossbows which the president even wrong on his site.

In the end, this will go no-where and just like last time Mr. Kazy and Roofus Ron Sharp things will lose like always.

Just go here https://dnr.wi.gov/about/nrb/ and contact the board members about how Mr Kazy has no place to recommend any changes for this topic. I think the board see's through his crap already, but push the point home even more that heard management numbers, DNR, and analysis, and hunters should dictate the decision. Not sad little compound guys who want the fall to themselves.

Also, hammer home that Mr. Kazmierski earns sales from crossbows and compound bows. He tried to spew this impacts him negatively to if dates change which is false. What happens truely is that all these guys who can't hut the rut or dates they want will just get a high tech compound bow just as easy to shoot and purchase those instead. You don't get trade in for crossbows, so Mr. Kazmierski earns even more than and he knows that. Take both those points to the board along with him being firmly in WBH corner who openly bash the usage.