Originally Posted by 4ager
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by EvilTwin
The utter insanity of us re-fighting the war astounds me. Better to exploit the divide between the blacks and homosexuals. Foment division, chaos, and warfare between THEM not us!!!! Nice trap we let ourselves into. Pitting the enemy against himself is actually easy now that the SCOTUS made that decision. The "rainbow White House" has infuriated millions and we have a strategic opportunity to move on the enemy and causing their self destruction. We need unity of purpose and to stop acting like little snots who want to take their ball and go home.



THIS, then again we have absolute insane kooks here that are stuck in 1863 with such an insane hatred of "yankees" it borders, no it IS pathological. BTW, it's not you SAKO. Your posts are informative and well-reasoned. I've posted before, that in my belief the war WAS about state rights, but THE locus of THE RIGHT was slavery, and yes, a few states were prepared to give that up until Lincoln mobilized, but still, if you follow the MONEY (as always) it lay with the slave owners. Many here who yearned (and still do) for a Southern Victory, it's kind of hard to prove a negative, but I just don't know how a USA/CSA world would have looked like, but those here convinced that it would have been some sort of Utopia are in my view, mired in romance. Tough times we have now...


'Bout like the money in the North being tied to industrialists that couldn't stand to lose the Southern raw goods to export; thus, their backing of Lincoln.

But, hey, listen to Birdwatcher...he'll expound as to how every Southern fought for slavery or was pressed into service for the same (never mentioning the Germans and Irish pressed into service in the North against their will), despite family lineages and documentation (hint, family and individual diaries often held in museums or historical societies). He'll go chapter and verse about a history that any damned Brit (born and/or raised and educated) has no attachment to and little comprehension of. Why, it'd be like listening to Obama opine about American history and the Constitution, since he's a "scholar" of the same, at least as much so as a HS history teacher with a Brit background, right?

That war is over. History is being rewritten or deleted (I'm sure that will make life in HS history class easier), and all means to a gov't end.

What lies next; how, when, and why, are all that matter.


Like I said, just follow the money. I'm not stupid Sean, I don't need to listen to BW. I've been pretty clear about the South's clear and inalienable right to do what they did. I've always supported their cause. I do firmly believe the war COULD and SHOULD have been easily avoided by Lincoln. My only point was and it really can't be proven, is the issue of two countries, western expansion (to name just one) and how that would have panned out.

A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”