Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by antlers
~ that a man who claimed to be God could be killed before them and then rise from the dead, and they saw Him alive afterwards ~ and they knew it firsthand and were willing to die for it. .

No first hand accounts exist of the resurrection.So you get no points with that.
It's like saying; one's work colleagues neighbors uncles best friend says he saw
what he thinks was Bigfoot 40 yrs ago.


Originally Posted by antlers
~. They were the people who had everything to lose….

Scripture says Martyrs were allegedly promised heavenly reward and the crown of life,
(although No evidence to suggest they got it)...so why would you consider that
'losing everything'..?

I thought it would be everything an Xtian dreamed of receiving.

Anyway, doesnt your Jesus decide who the Martyrs
will be?.Not exactly a free will choice.
People saw him die on the cross, be buried in a tomb, then walking around with scars in his side and hands. How is this not evidence of a resurrection?