Originally Posted by JoeBob
I don’t think Russia or the US planned on a war like this.


Agreed

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For Russia’s part I think they planned on going in there, taking the territory they wanted and making a quick deal after showing people they weren’t f@cking around.

I don't think the evidence supports that. They went after Kiev, expecting Kiev to fall easily, because Putin believed the crap his lackeys were telling him.

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They didn’t plan on this level of foreign support that is in and of itself so damaging to the Ukraine and the western nations themselves.


Agreed. And, based on the international community's tepid response to Putin's "little green men" who began the invasion years ago, had Putin stuck to his Sudetendland script and only invaded the Russophone areas, I don't believe he would have faced that level of foreign support. Just more sanctions.

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I think the US hawks saw an opportunity to make Russia bleed and took it.


I think the Eussian hawks saw an opportunity to invade Ukraine and took it.


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It’s a very dangerous, wasteful, and useless endeavor that if it doesn’t get us killed in the short term, is going to have cascading ramifications for decades to come if not longer with all kinds of unforeseeable outcomes.

Agreed.