Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
[quote=Jim_Conrad]They don't.

Why would they? They know they aren't "next". They know they don't your president to shut the gas off.


Geezus you redistributionist types are dense.

And that's where you're wrong.
For how many years did Russia occupy Poland?[/quote


Oh gee...how many millions of Ukrainians did the Holodomor kill?

Seems like they were getting along fine until your pals Biden and Obama fugged it up.

Jim, I'm surprised you'd stoop to dishonest tactics.

You're a better man than this.

Dishonest?

You are joking?

You accused me of being pals with Biden and Obama, and only the very unobservant or the very stupid would not know that is not true.

I never pegged you as the low IQ type, so that leaves dishonest.

Oh sure...project dishonesty at me.


You were super excited about the last mega transfer of wealth in this country...and by all accounts are super excited about the current one.


While claiming to be "conservative".


GMAFB.

You need to pay closer attention before you cast aspersion upon others.

I'm not conservative, I'm libertarian. Nor am I "super excited" about "mega transfers of wealth" to Ukraine. I see it's in America's best interest to blunt the expansionary ambitions of an aggressive Russia. A strong, belligerent Russia's is not in the best interest of America, and if we can bleed Russia to the point they crawl back under their rock and no longer pose a conventional threat to the Western world for a few decades, while another country provided the blood, and we provide some of our old equipment, and a few billion dollar, I'll take that deal.

In the process we get a reinvigorated NATO, with the other member nations increasing their military spending going forward.

As for this war, to those of us who spent time in the business, it's no surprise. It was always going to happen. It wasn't a matter of if, but when, how many of the Soviet Era strategic choke points they recapture, and if they stop there or, or are stopped before they recapture all of them, many of which are in NATO held territory.

Russia's an expansionary nation. It always has been.

Since 1945 we've engaged in no less than the 63 following proxy wars against the Russians/Soviets and/or the puppet states, most of which you've probably never heard of, and many you probably can't find on a map. That's ok, men such as myself volunteered and gave a portion of our lives to the study and practice of war wouldn't have to.

Here's the list:

Chinese Civil War
1946 Iranian Crisis
Greek Civil War
First Indochina War, 1946-1954
Paraguayan Civil War
Malayan Emergency
Korean War
Mau Mau Uprising, Kenya
Vietnam War
First Taiwan Strait Crisis 1954-1955
Second Taiwan Crisis 1958
Lebanon Crisis 1958
Nicaragua
El Salvador
Guatemala
Congo Crisis
Eritrean War of Independence 1961-1991
North Yemen Civil War 1962-1970
Dhofar Rebellion 1962-1976
Sarawak Insurgency, Malaya, 1962-1990
Aden Emergency 1963-1967
Dominican Civil War 1965
Chadian Civil War 1965-1979
Communist Insurgency in Thailand 1965-1983
Bolivian Campaign 1966-1967
Korean DMZ Conflict 1966-1969
South African Border War 1966-1990
Years of Lead, Italy, 1968-1982
Communist Insurgency Malaysia 1968-1989
Operation Condor 1968-1989, Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Paraguay, and Uruguay.
Al-Wadiah War, Yemen and Saudi Arabia, 1969.
Bangladesh War of Liberation, 1971
Yemenite War of 1972
Angolan Civil War 1974-2002
Ethiopian Civil War 1974-1991
Uprising in East Timor, Indonesia, 1975-1999
Shaba 1, Zaire/Congo, 1977
Ogaden War Ethiopia/Somalia, 1977-1978
Cambodian-Vietnamese War, 1977-1991
Mozambican Civil War, 1977-1982
Chittagong Hill Conflict, Bangladesh, 1977-1997
Shaba II, Congo/Zaire 1978
Uganda-Tanzian War 1978-1979
UDF Rebellion, 1978-1982, Yemen
Chadian-Libyan Conflict 1978-1987
Yemenite War 1979
Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, 1979-1989
Ethiopian-Somali Border War, 1982
Thai-Laotian Border War, 1987-1988
Afghan Civil War 1989-1992
Insurgency in Laos, 1975-2008
Georgian Civil War 1991-1993
Yugoslav Wars, 1991-2001
Syrian Civil War in Lebanon 2012-2017

Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 1948 to present
Myanmar conflict, 1948 to present
Iran-Saudi proxy conflict 1979 to present
Abkhaz-Georgian conflict 1989 to present
Georgian-Ossetian conflict, 1989 to present
War in Darfur, 2003 to present
Syrian Civil War 2011 to present
Yemeni Crisis 2011 to present


Russian Invasion of Ukraine, 2014 to present.

If you're observant, you'll notice a wide range of locations across the globe. They include area geographical strategic interest, places with strategic resources, and some very close to home including most of South and Central America.

Now get yourself a map of the world and a Red crayon. Your fingers are probably too big, so have your daughter help you color all the countries above red, and see what that looks like.

Looks at what this means for the sea lanes, Russian navel and shipping access to the oceans, all the places they could refuel, and this would magnify their ability to project power around the globe. Keep in mind, unlike us, Russia doesn't have 10 super carriers they can just park anywhere they like.

Here's a few clues for you:
Korea and access to the Tsushima straight (Do you have ANY clue why that's significant?)

Tiawan and it's location in the First Island Chain (Do you even know what that is, and why it's important?)

Why's Russian interested in Vietnam?

How about Malaysia and Indonesia. Here's a clue, it's not for the cheap guitars they produce.

Italy, Greece?

Ethiopia, Yemen, Eritrea, , and South Africa, and I don't mean for the minerals, do you have any clue why these places are strategically important?

How about South and Central America, should we have let the Russian/Soviets have all of that?

Here's one for you, Georgia and Azerbaijan. I'm not saying it's important to us, but since you know so much about foreign affairs, war, conflict, and keeping America safe, can you at least tell me why it's important to Russia?

Afghanistan. What's the real reason the Russians were in Afghanistan? If you can figure that out, you'll be a step closer to figuring out why the Russians are in Ukraine.

I suspect all of this when right over your head. You'll give some answer about how you don't care about places across the globe because the only strategy you can glean from a map is the one for finding the best deer trails and fishing holes.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell