Originally Posted by bfrshooter
The thing some do not get is a man shot is one lung but deer are shot to take both. Not many people are shot sideways so you need better bullet function. You need it faster.
How long to wait until bleed out when he has a gun? Would you stab with a pen as he beats you with bat?
Actually if you had the bat and made a home run on the creeps head it is better then a mag of nines.


Continuing to talk about schit you haven't a clue about does not a positive impression make.

Simply put, you're f'kin' clueless on this and it shows.

Here are a few hints, from personal experience;

Lung hits are NOT what you're going for, thus your example is piss poor. You want X-ring heart shots, CNS hits, or hits to MAJOR bone structures (especially the pelvic girdle). Precision counts in those matters far more so than does energy or anything else. A .22LR to the brain pan or spinal column (especially in the neck) or through the heart is decisive; even a .32 to the pelvic girdle can drop an assailant. Hits to the muscle walls on/near/just-above the pelvic girdle are effective; not completely destructive, but potentially debilitating. A hip shot will drop a man fast and will put him out of commission because of the pain involved and likely prove fatal if the femoral is hit (and it's a good chance of that happening with a hip shot). A hit through the diaphragm can work as well, but ain't as likely. None of these, save the CNS hit and the X-ring heart shot, are comparatives to deer.

A single lung hit or liver hit on a man can be deadly, but in the time it takes for such to prove effective, regardless of the size of the hole punched through, you could well be dead.

You want precision, and given the fact that an assailant is going to moving, almost assuredly armed, and may well have struck first, rounds on deck and in the magazine matter because this isn't some "fine bead on the deer's chest" situation; this is put rounds down range and on target QUICKLY, where hits matter and often it's not the first shot that makes the precision hit necessary.

Killing deer is f'kin' easy. Shooting them is even easier. Men ain't the same, and if you haven't a clue (as you clearly don't bfrshooter) then STFU and learn.

I don't have nearly the experience with the subject matter at hand as some of the fellows on this board and on this thread, but I have more than bfrshooter and more than enough to call BS on his posts.


Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.